All in the Name of $$$ Oxycontin Makers Pushing for FDA to Ok Use for SIX YEAR OLDS

This drug is bad lots of people abuse it and buy it off the black market.

But thats about to stop they have added a chemical, that makes you sick if you try giving it direct to your blood stream.

so might see some deaths from this

reply to post by getreadyalready


Well I'm not going to let junkies ruin it for people that actually need the opiates for medical reasons, that is just ridiculous logic. If you do not overdose the chances of someone dying is extremely slim. Personal responsibility comes into play when you take ANY medication. Penicillin can kill you too...

People get in car crashes so lets ban cars too, or alcohol..

NO WAY IN HELL SHOULD ANYONE YOUNGER THEN 18 have them.
I have been on oxy now for 3 years, went from vicadin on up until I can't get releif for my back pain , been thru 2 surgerys and still need some type of painkiller.
I'm I hooked on 30mg of oxy every 8 hours yes, I have cut back to 12 hours on my own.
Why you may ask because I'm tired of takeing pills, it got so bad that I didn't know when I took them so I had to write down when I took then.
Do I need them maybe , but with the doctors help, and yet another surgery I can slowly get off of them, with maybe a little bsd sheet kicking. or maybe getting off them by going into the hospital and going into a drug induced coma to let my body go thru the with draw but then my doctor will never let me have another painkiller hard then OTC, and I can't have that when I'm still in pain.

Originally posted by nighthawk1954
That's just plain NUTS!

Has anyone here ever taken it?
I pulled my back last year, I was in extreme pain. A friend of mine gave me one....OH MY GOD! Talk about loopy. Yes it worked. It is easy to see why people get addicted to it. I would never want to be on it for any length of time.
But for kids....NOT!

Yes I took OxyContin. Unfortunately at a fairly young age (early 30's) I had to resort to taking OC's after nothing else helped, even though I fought the idea for 3 years. As an amateur bodybuilder (and an IT career) back in 1999 I injured my back and found out I had degenerative disk disease effecting most of my spine, along with many bone spurs along my vertebrae. I could only manage to go to work, come home and lay on my couch in agony. I had lost all ability to enjoy the life I had. Having seen 9 different doctors and specialists, I was given the option of a high risk surgery which could cause paralysis, or take medication until medical science could develop new methods to treat my type of problems. By this time I was at my wits end. My career of 12 years I thought would be over if I couldn't find a better way to cope with the pain so I could concentrate and be able to sit at my desk all day, so I reluctantly filled my first Rx of OC's and for the next 9 years I managed to gain most of my life back and I felt lucky. My doctor always would talk me out of any surgery I would consider each year (because he was making a lot of money off of me with spinal injections every few months and by this time I didn't want to rock the boat and lose what little mobility without pain I was enjoying at the time.

Unfortunately, as with any medicine of this type, your body builds a tolerance and after many years began to wreak havoc on my body. Doc wouldn't give more and I was at my ceiling. Thank the lord my wife helped me find the best neurosurgeon around who replaced a few disks with cadaver bone and then had to shave a lot of bone spurs off my column, fused several vertebrae together with plates and screws. I'm happy to say I'm almost completely pain free now and I have my life back. Somehow during all of this I managed to not only keep my career but I've excelled at it and have now been with the same company for 25+ years.
So in my case this med helped me through some rough times. That along with lots of prayers. After all the years on this med though they had to put me on a wonder drug called Suboxone to help ween me off of the OC's.
God Bless everone who is suffering with real pain. Don't ever stop looking for a cure.

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
BURN the OPIUM fields and find new ways for PAIN relief this is insane especially since its known what effects this and other prescription drugs have on the general masses. SEEMS LIKE SOMEBODY IS LOOKING FOR NEW CUSTOMERS, ELIMINATE excuses for usage of these crops. SMH there ARE alternatives.

it is not the opium in them that is the problem,it is the other crap.have you ever read the side affects from painkillers?even heroin doesnt have all that sideaffects so dont blame the opium.

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Well I'm not going to let junkies ruin it for people that actually need the opiates for medical reasons, that is just ridiculous logic. If you do not overdose the chances of someone dying is extremely slim. Personal responsibility comes into play when you take ANY medication. Penicillin can kill you too...

People get in car crashes so lets ban cars too, or alcohol..

It is not the junkies that are dying the most often. The problem with a drug like Oxy is that one person's daily maintenance dose could be lethal for another person. They can take the prescribed amount from the label, and still end up dying. There is also the drug interaction problem. There is a lethal combination of drugs that are regularly prescribed together. It becomes very easy to accidentally die if you take a narcotic, and a muscle-relaxer, and an anti-depressant, and those things are very, very commonly prescribed at the same time. If you add a little sleep apnea, or a sleep aid, or alcohol to the combination, then the chances of dying are increased even further.

There is a misconception that it is junkies dying from these drugs. Junkies don't even make up the majority of deaths. A lot of these deaths are first time users, or people taking the prescribed dosages, and then some of the "junkies" are actually people that had a legitimate need for the medication and became addicted. People who have never used an illegal drug in their life, can get addicted to something a doctor is prescribing.

To fix the problems, we have to fix the misconceptions like yours.

With the feds cracking down on doctors prescribing opiods to adults, i doubt there will be many doctors who want the hassle of prescribing them to children.

Or how hypocrisy keeps increasing no matter how unlikely it seems. The fact that the two major killers, alcohol and tobacco, are legal, whereas something with no recorded deaths in the history of mankind, is illegal, clearly wasn't enough, it has to go further and further and further, and to what extent? To the point where people get sick of it? No, to the point where you're either on something legal, or you're not, and you're targeted by both the government and the people that are now official legal junkies.

You have an army of junks waiting to fight for their drug when it's threatened by people who use the illegal, more healthy alternative, this will in no imaginable case end well, especially not with the FDA in the pockets of TPTB.

Idiocracy doesn't seem too far away tbh.

reply to post by getreadyalready


Apparently you are unaware that children get cancer, are involved in serious car accidents, are born with severe deformities, etc.

Your comment is really sad, mean spirited and just a little ignorant. (perhaps you learned that from your mother whom you describe as a bit uncaring) While I don't think that children should be given opiates as a matter of course, there are those times when drastic pain control measures are warranted. For years it has been known that children are grossly under treated for pain. To allow a child to suffer unecessarily is unforgivable. Perhaps a balance can be found regarding the use of strong and addictive drugs and the necessary regulations to keep patients, young and old, safe.

Originally posted by glen200376
it is not the opium in them that is the problem,it is the other crap.have you ever read the side affects from painkillers?even heroin doesnt have all that sideaffects so dont blame the opium.

All opiates have the same side effects for the most part. Oxy is more of a stimulant than other opiates because it's synthesized from Thebaine, which comes from Opium, but other than that they all cause the same thing. It's the dosage that will dictate which side effects you encounter.

Nausea, itching, and constipation are the most common side effects, and all opiates will do this to you.

Originally posted by TruthSeekerMike
Just so everyone knows, if the doctor prescribes oxycodone to you or your child, you are under no obligation to actually have it filled or take the pills. People act like these drug companies own them because they don't have enough sense to just say "no". I couldn't care less if anyone is addicted to anything, I have no business keeping them from their stuff. I just know I would ask the doctor for something not in the opiate category. Why is only worrying about yourself so difficult? Why is thinking for yourself so much more difficult?

In this case you have too many many uneducated people or people who have been taught to trust their doctors as should be the case. It makes sense to you and I, but these doctors are now trained to be coerced with gifts and such things and they are being persuaded to suggest these substances. Sure in some rare cases. it may be absolutely necessary as the child maybe in great pain and their is no other foreseeable way to stop his hurting, but if that is the case then we should probably look to another company to synthesize an alternative to heroine. Stopping these types of drugs will help reduce the amount of junkies. Just as the introduction of them has without doubt raised the amount of junkie crimes and hospitalization. This is way out of control especially if your in florida.

I'd be willing to bet that 98% of the people screaming about the evils of prescription painkillers are the ones who would be demanding them if they were the ones experiencing the pain.

Narcotics are demonized because of the hysteria regarding the idiots who abuse them. You don't hear anything good about them, like the relief they've given people who were near suicide because of the constant, agonizing pain they were suffering.

I've been there. I herniated a lumbar disc 15 years ago. The disc was pressing directly on my sciatic nerve. I have a high pain threshold, but I was screaming. After seeing two docs who told me to take Advil, aspirin or tylenol, I was going into day 3 when I went to the emergency room at a hospital. The doc gave me a couple shots of demerol, which did nothing. He then gave me 2 percodan (oxycodone) tablets. Within 10 minutes, the pain began subsiding. Most people have not experienced pain that makes you seriously consider suicide.

As for the OP story, if I had a child that was in horrible pain, I would not rule out carefully controlled doses of opiate painkillers. Even if a person becomes physically addicted, they can ween off the drug and stop.

On a side note: The REAL reason for the fictional "epidemic" of prescription painkillers is simple.
The population is aging, and there are millions more folks joining the elderly ranks. They're suffering from the pains associated with old age. Doctors are prescribing more opiates to these patients.(Who rarely abuse them)
That's why Florida is the "worst offender". Old people.

reply to post by jaguarsky

Your comment is really sad, mean spirited and just a little ignorant.

Sorry buddy, but I'm the least "ignorant" person you will ever meet on this issue. I do this for a living day in and day out. Maybe you didn't read all of my posts. There are definitely examples of legitimate uses for kids, and there is no law against doctors going off-label for individual circumstances, but to test and get FDA approval specifically for kids is insanity. The majority of people taking Oxy are taking it without legitimate causes. If we approve it for kids, they will be putting their kids on it just for the sake of getting more Oxy to use or sell. If we approve it for kids, then kids will begin getting addicted to it.

Ignorance is a product of little exposure. I have overly exposed to this issue, and believe me it is one of the most dangerous things facing the social fabric of our nation right now.

reply to post by ColeYounger


Sorry to say this...but, you sound like someone in serious denial. I have a sister who's been strung out on prescription pain killers for over 30 years. She has stolen, lied, used her own daughter taking her to the ER with false claims to get drugs. She has lost jobs, homes, and 3 husbands in the pursuit of her fix.

So, don't tell me it's not a real problem.....

Des

Just to elaborate a little bit.....

For the parents that will use children to get extra drugs for themselves. Many of the better doctors and pain clinics will do drug testing to make sure the patient is taking the drugs and not just selling them. They test for not only the current dosage of drug in the system, but also the metabolized versions of the drug, so they know it wasn't just taken that morning of the test.

The bad parents that would use their kids to get the drugs for themselves, will also have to make sure the kids take enough of the drugs to get them in their system. That will get the kids addicted. It will also serve the double duty of getting the kids tolerance built up, and that in turn will help them get stronger and stronger drugs.

This is a nightmare scenario, and I can't begin to fathom the thinking behind people thinking this is ok on a large scale.

I am against Oxycontin and yes I am was pain every day, car accident in 95 I ended up with 17+ breaks and fractures in my back and pelvis. The doctors kept pushing them but I opted for Radio Frequency Ablation it's a permanent fix. I haven't taken anything for the pain since having the surgery in 2000. They shoot radio waves and cauterize the nerve it either grows back healthy or you get a numb spot. I HIGHLY suggest this for anyone with back pain.

Anyway my point is there must be alternative treatments. Most of the people I tell about my surgery aren't interested because they would rather get painkillers than fix the problem. Marijuana is a safe natural cure for pain with out the risk of addiction or damage to the kidneys, heart and liver but we can't even discuss it as an option here in the US and if a parent gave it to there child for pain I suspect the state would deem them unfit parents but giving them narcotics is o.k.?

I don't want anyone to be in pain but really I don't think this is the best/.only option. I don't think anyone who has seen the problem here in Florida would think this is a good idea.

Originally posted by getreadyalready

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
All I have to say is that it would take me both hands to count on my fingers the number of people I know who have either been killed or put in the hospital by O.C.

This is absolutely disgusting. That drug should be outlawed.

7 per day are accidentally killed by prescription drugs in Florida alone.

A cousin of mine died last summer. He had been through a divorce and had an anti-depressant. Then he got a new job and a new girlfriend, but he hurt his back at work one day. The doc prescribed a painkiller, and a muscle-relaxer, and he already had a sleep aid and an anti-depressant. He took his meds as prescribed, went to bed, and never woke up. He wasn't addicted, he didn't overdose, he didn't do anything wrong, and legally neither did the doctor, yet he was dead.

You don't get it.The deaths are listed as accidental,but they are sucides.The war on drugs has pushed the price so high.People are killing theirselfs because of addiction.They can't afford their fix.Dumb bas567des both sides.now herion is making a comeback because it is cheaper.You think there is a problem now just wait.

I wrote about it a while back...
The Pandemic of Prescription Drugs

reply to post by Ladysophiaofsandoz

I am against Oxycontin and yes I am was pain every day, car accident in 95 I ended up with 17+ breaks and fractures in my back and pelvis. The doctors kept pushing them but I opted for

I'd like to reiterate that! I agree.

I blew myself up when I was 20 years old. I had full-thickness burns over 25 percent of my body, and I was told I would never walk right again. They gave me a morphine pump in the hospital, along with anti-depressants, percocet, vicodin, and lortabs. The morphine pump lasted 1 day, because I hated how it made me feel loopy and gave me nighmares. (although looking back, the nightmares might have been PTSD) Anyway, I limited myself to one percocet per day, about a half-hour before my procedures. Sometimes I would spend hours getting debrided and getting staples pulled out of my legs, but a single percocet always got me through.

When I left the hospital, I had basically an open prescription, the docs would have given me anything I wanted, but instead, it is 15 years later, and I still have some of those original pills in a bottle at home. I never refilled the script a single time. I would take a pill on the worst of the worst days, or if I had to take a long car ride, but most of the time Ibuprofen would suffice.

A lot of us here know all about pain. Just because we are against the use of Oxy, does not mean we have never endured pain.

reply to post by Destinyone


I am truly sorry to hear that. I am aware of the problems with addiction. I have had a couple friends who were serious painkiller addicts, but not in the extreme manner as you describe. Studies have shown that there is a fairly high percentage of people (your sister almost certainly falls into this category) that are utterly pre-disposed to becoming opiate addicts. Aside from the opiate acting on seratonin receptors, some people's brains will literally flood with dopamine within minutes of an opiate dose. This produces a euphoria that's beyond anything they've ever felt. People have made remarks like: "I didn't think it was possible to feel this good" or "I want to feel this way forever." After my injury, I used opiate pain meds for 9 years. As I said, I've been there.

In a case like your sister, one can only hope the person will somehow find the strength to realize what's happening and help themselves. YOU have to do it yourself. All the well-meaning friends and loved ones in the world can't help if you don't want to get off the drugs.

It's simply a matter of opinion. A point of view. I just fall into the camp of 'don't blame the instrument' .
If someone smokes and gets heart disease or lung cancer, I don't blame the cigarettes. The person ultimately needs to be responsible. That doesn't mean that I'm uncaring by any means. I truly, truly hope your sister can get her life back, for her sake, yours, and the rest of your family.

To re-state my opinion, I think it's wrong that a person who is suffering should have meds denied them because there's a bunch of people out there who are abusing the meds. I read a recent story of a man who committed suicide because of chronic pain. Doctors would not prescribe him pain meds because they were afraid they would get in trouble.

What about for anyone underage, three doctors must all agree it is the best/only option and like adults the kids could be tested to insure they are getting the prescribed medication? Just a thought. It seems this might limit the likely hood of meds being prescribed where they are not needed and parents taking their kids meds. Could we at least agree that kids should only be given these meds once there is no other option and only in rare instances and with the agreement of more than one doctor? There is always an exception to the rule and this is not a one size fits all issue it seems, but this is a slippery slope that could cause more harm than good.