All in the Name of $$$ Oxycontin Makers Pushing for FDA to Ok Use for SIX YEAR OLDS

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by kyviecaldges

 

I'm not blaming the pharmaceutical companies, I'm blaming doctor error, multiple doctor prescribing with drug interactions, and patients for sharing meds.

Good.
My point in joining this thread was to defend the monster called "Big Pharma".
While pharmaceutical companies do engage in less than ethical behaviors, these behaviors are the result of government mandate and placing blame upon them is misguided and will do no good.

People die from substance abuse and misuse for one and only one reason.

Human error.

Cutting access to the medications will NOT solve the problem; however, it will create many, many MORE problems.
Solve human error and solve the problem.

As a matter of fact, I think that they make a pill for that called Adderall.

And doctors do prescribe narcotics to pregnant women, although it is ill-advised. If a women is already a long-term user of pain meds, then taking her off the meds while she is pregnant may have unintended complications. It is fairly common for pregnant women to be prescribed pain meds, and anti-depressants both.

Pregnant women who are opiate dependent are put on methadone and monitored relentlessly.

I do have problems with anti-depressants and prescribing habits, but that is for another thread.

When doctors follow appropriate protocol, these problems are avoided.
But as I said, the problems result from human error.

reply to post by kyviecaldges

Pregnant women who are opiate dependent are put on methadone and monitored relentlessly.

I do have problems with anti-depressants and prescribing habits, but that is for another thread.

When doctors follow appropriate protocol, these problems are avoided.
But as I said, the problems result from human error.

I don't know what state you are in, but there is nothing in my state requiring a doctor to follow that protocol, and methadone is very rarely used, if at all. About the only people using methadone are the very high-end pain clinics with pain management specialists.

There is nothing restricting a doctor from prescribing basic pain meds to a pregnant woman, and it happens often.

reply to post by kyviecaldges

My point in joining this thread was to defend the monster called "Big Pharma".

So when Perdue purposefully lies about the dangers of the drugs they make, falsifies test results and knowingly defrauds the public they have only done this due to governmental mandates? Surely you would agree they lie about their drugs, yes? How is this not their fault?

CJ

What parent or doctor would be dumb enough to give oxycontin to children? Even if they allow the use for 6 year old's i find it very hard to believe parents and doctors would go along with it.

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Yes... This happens, but it is most certainly not advised by pharmaceutical companies.

Doctors prescribe any number of drugs for off label use, but as I have said, this is not the fault of the pharmaceutical companies.

The OP discusses a study being done by Purdue, which happens to be a very beneficial study, in my opinion.

The prevalence rate of substance abuse, which is the percentage that abuse occurs within a population over a period of time, has NOT seen a drastic increase.
Yes, more people have access to opiates, but the percentage of the population suffering from abuse disorders has remained steady.
IN SPITE of more opiates being available on the market.

Placing blame upon the corporations themselves is simply wrong.

Look at who makes the rules the guides corporate behavior.

That is the problem.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by kyviecaldges

 

My point in joining this thread was to defend the monster called "Big Pharma".

So when Perdue purposefully lies about the dangers of the drugs they make, falsifies test results and knowingly defrauds the public they have only done this due to governmental mandates? Surely you would agree they lie about their drugs, yes? How is this not their fault?

CJ

edit on 3-7-2012 by ColoradoJens because: (no reason given)

Individuals within a corporation may have falsified results.
It happens all the time.

But this is not the fault of "the big bad corporation".

This is the result of growth pressures that result from government mandates.

You guys are placing blame wrongly and because of that nothing will change.

If you want to see WHY someone would behave in such a way then look at the rewards that they get from doing so.

Message boards are what Stalin referred to as "pressure release valves".
They are necessary in any dictatorship because they give people the catharsis associated with change without actually changing anything.

Not blaming the drug companies is like not blaming the drug cartels. People are addicted to this stuff just like heroine. On the street they pay $30.00 for 1 pill. People are dying and huge profits are being made legally and then again illegally. The drug companies are profiting off of a dangerous drug. If you think thats ok there is problem in the way you think.

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So then, by your argument, neither corporations OR governments are ever at fault. It is only individuals within. Guess that makes your "government mandate" argument wrong. Nice Stalin reference, lol. I'm sure he was referring to the internet. By the way, you must think the Stalinist torture regime was not at fault for doing what they did to 20 million Russians - it was only individuals who did it on their own.

CJ

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I can honestly say...you are, I think, the first real *shill* I've ever encountered on ATS.....

Des

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by kyviecaldges

 

I can honestly say...you are, I think, the first real *shill* I've ever encountered on ATS.....

Des

I know you are not one to say things like that and you have an open mind Destinyone. Sadly, I think the same thing too.

CJ

Originally posted by Nomed
Not blaming the drug companies is like not blaming the drug cartels. People are addicted to this stuff just like heroine. On the street they pay $30.00 for 1 pill. People are dying and huge profits are being made legally and then again illegally. The drug companies are profiting off of a dangerous drug. If you think thats ok there is problem in the way you think.

This statement sounds fancy, but it does not contain one lick of scientific validity.

Pharmaceutical companies produce medications, some of which have the possibility to produce abuse or dependence, but their benefits greatly outweigh the dangers.

Heroin, like methadone, does not produce the analgesic benefits of other common pain killers.
That is why methadone is only used for pain control in off label situations and why heroin is a schedule 1 narcotic.
Your comparison is truly like comparing apples and oranges.

Corporations play by a very strict set of codes and regulations that do not apply to drug cartels.

Drug companies that profit from supposedly "dangerous drugs" are no different than you enjoying cheap gasoline at the price of dead arabs.
The problem is not the company, but the system that governs it.

As long as those who complain lack the fortitude to change the structure governing corporate behavior then NOTHING will change.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by kyviecaldges

 

So then, by your argument, neither corporations OR governments are ever at fault. It is only individuals within. Guess that makes your "government mandate" argument wrong.

Please do not mis-interpret what I have said.
Corporations and governments are not the same and no where have I said that.

Individuals who are voted on by the people created the mandates that govern individual and corporate behavior.
(really its' the same thing citizens united)

I am sure that wikipedia can explain to you how the government works.

Originally posted by ColoradoJens

Originally posted by Destinyone
reply to post by kyviecaldges

 

I can honestly say...you are, I think, the first real *shill* I've ever encountered on ATS.....

Des

I know you are not one to say things like that and you have an open mind Destinyone. Sadly, I think the same thing too.

CJ

Sadly, you had to resort to the standard "shill" defense.

Weak.

Originally posted by kyviecaldges

Originally posted by ColoradoJens
reply to post by kyviecaldges

 

So then, by your argument, neither corporations OR governments are ever at fault. It is only individuals within. Guess that makes your "government mandate" argument wrong.