Olympic Athlete Claims Blacks are superior to Whites

I`m always amazed how this is a white vs black thing , last I checked Asians and Midel Eastraners... people from all over the planet compete in the games for that matter. How come he didn't say Blacks are better than whites and Asians , hmmm perhaps he would draw more flack for saying such racist things if he included Asains . Well get use to it , because race baiting is the new norm .

The amount of Daily Mail readers in this thread is disturbing. It's also been taken out of context by the Mail (surprise). He's making a documentary about the best black runners being ancestors of slavery.

Plenty of racism in this thread too. I'm starting to feel like ATS is being taken over by behind-closed-doors-racists.

jimmy the greek lives !!!!

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Hess88

 

So what? I think he is correct. It is fairly obvious that black people are generally more athletic than white people. Faster twitch muscles, more muscle tone, less bodyfat retention. They are also more prone to certain health problems like sickle-cell anemia and diabetes.

This is the problem with racial debates. To admit differences is to be racist. Why? We are obviously different.

I agree, we are all different, different races have certain traits or rather they excel in certain areas more than others, as a result of their environment.

For example European whites are much more resilient due the harsh climate they have grown up in, give it enough time and it's in the DNA i.e. they evolve to adapt over time.

Nothing racists about it, in fact Johnson is doing a program that is going to be aired on UK TV about this subject, which is cool in my book.

reply to post by Hess88


my answer: it's so obvious that black people are faster than white. 7th grade at my old School was the highest before you graduate to big boy school (high school), and I was the fastest person in the whole junior school (100m sprint) when I was in 7th.. except for the ONE black kid!!! hahahaha! He was just a tiny bit faster.

When you watch olympic events, all of the sprints are done by black guys.. Theres not a white guy to be seen. If there is its only at the very start, then by about 1/4 of the way through he is out of the screens view left behind lol!

I think its a bit dumb to say "they bred the strongest black males with females when they were slaves", or "they were forced to outrun lions so that made them faster". The logical answer is that they obviously have a different genetic makeup at some point in the lineage, I remember being told they had an ability to process red blood cells faster which helped them get more oxygen to their brain and muscles or some baloney ulitamately meant they could run faster. That is the most believable explanation I have heard so far... none of this selective breeding bs

I live in small northern city in Canada and all the kids were white and active. There were only 2 black families in the town. The son of one family dominated everyone at track and field. The daughter of the other black family did the same. We all thought it was just cool and amazing how fast these kids were. From personal experience Id say this Olympian knows what he is talking about. On the other hand they were usually last to be picked for hockey but then again in Northern Ontario almost everyone plays hockey all the time and I dont think they had the coaching that most northern kids get from their parents.

It seems to me that over years of actually observing things related to this very subject that black people cover more extremes at both ends of the spectrum. While the most athletic black people are without question physically superior to the most athletic white people in general, the most out of shape black people are worse off than the most out of shape white people in general, and just as many. They cover a larger spectrum of physical characteristics it seems. It's just more diverse.

Better or worse overall in comparison? I think neither really. There may be different models of human with a few racial abilities for each that give them a slight advantage in certain areas but we're still all human. Well maybe there are a few sneaky hybrids walking among us but that's for another forum

“Since the dawn of history the negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”— Charles Darwin

“I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa.There is something that all White men who have lived here like I have must learn and know: that these individualsare a sub-race. They have neither the mental or emotionalabilities to equate or share equally with White men in any
functions of our civilization. I have given my life to try tobring unto them the advantages which our civilization mustoffer, but I have become well aware that we must retainthis status: White the superior, and they the inferior. Forwhenever a White man seeks to live among them as their
equals, they will destroy and devour him, and they willdestroy all his work. And so for any existing relationshipor any benefit to this people, let White men, from anywherein the world, who would come to help Africa, remember thatyou must maintain this status: you the master and they the
inferior, like children whom you would help or teach. Neverfraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as yoursocial equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.”...Nobel Peace Prize winner Dr Albert Schweitzer

And thousands of years of history between Asias, Europeans, and Africans tend to disagree with the notion of Africans being superior. Not only are they not superior, but they are a drain on a progressive society, according to our ancestors and most scientist.

reply to post by Hess88


As a white guy I must say that I agree with him. If someone is offended by this then they are not being intellectually honest. Look at the NBA. How many white cornerbacks are there in the NFL? The answer is 0. How many white star WR's in the NFL? The answer is 0. When was the last time a white guy won a 100M dash? 200M? I think you get my point. Black people are more athletic than white people. There are exceptions to the rule of course, but it is rare. Why do people from Kenya and Nigeria win marathons all of the time? I think that he was just stating the obvious.

How many racially pure Africans have ever made it to the Olympics? I don't know but I'm willing to bet that they are outnumbered 100 to 1 by racially mixed people who are denominated black for social and political reasons, but who are not black or purely of African descent.

The whole question of race would be hilarious if so many people had not suffered so much over it. Oh the humanity!

Reading literature from the period of the 1940s and 50s gives great insight into the casually bigotted attitudes that lay behind the social struggles of the 60s and beyond. If you read people like Zora Neale Hurston, you learn about the racism of the victims of racism. Racial distinctions made originally by slave traders are adopted by Afro descended people and used among themselves. Classifications like "quadroon" or "octaroon" or descriptions like "high yellow", etc., are comically quaint when viewed from the distance of place and time, and when the chagrin, and embarrassment of racial segregation and dismissal are not part of one's life.

Race like ethnicity adds spice to life. We need to tolerate and appreciate, not to despise and belittle people who are different. The best athletes may well be of mixed race, neither wholly black or white, but who really cares? Should we be reviving the distinctions of the 1940s when we talk about athletes? Should we be inquiring whether this or that athlete is an octaroon or a quadroon and whether one or the other is always better or what racial mix is the best?

Absolutely not!

We already have enough science run amok in this world. Let's just enjoy the Olympics and cut the crap.

The ops topic is misleading. Anyways, Jesse Owens settled this way back in the day to a very upset Fuhrer.

Science is the only truth. All of the bickering about race wars is irrelevent.

Your gene expression is what matters, and different races have different areas were genes are expressed more strongly than others.

reply to post by PvtHudson


It's amazing how not many people pick up on the racism directed towards us. It's preferred that we be subjected to subtle racism and ignore it.
Blatant racism isn't supposed to challenged. This forum is a microcosm of the global political spectrum and apparently, whites are marked for anything a lost idiot can muster.
It's encouraged

Seems like Jimmy the Greek was ahead of his time when he said the same damn thing and lost his job over it too.

If blacks are superior to whites when it comes to sports, its because they start developing their muscles at a very early age and continue to do so throughout their lives.
By the same token, the case can also be made that they don't have the capacity for superior intellect because the brain is also a muscle, but a muscle that may get neglected due to athletic priorities.
You either strengthen one muscle, or the other, but not both.

Likewise, Asians choose to develop their particular "muscles" based on their cultural priorities too.

Originally posted by knightwhosaysnih
reply to post by Hess88

 

my answer: it's so obvious that black people are faster than white. 7th grade at my old School was the highest before you graduate to big boy school (high school), and I was the fastest person in the whole junior school (100m sprint) when I was in 7th.. except for the ONE black kid!!! hahahaha! He was just a tiny bit faster.

When you watch olympic events, all of the sprints are done by black guys.. Theres not a white guy to be seen. If there is its only at the very start, then by about 1/4 of the way through he is out of the screens view left behind lol!

I think its a bit dumb to say "they bred the strongest black males with females when they were slaves", or "they were forced to outrun lions so that made them faster". The logical answer is that they obviously have a different genetic makeup at some point in the lineage, I remember being told they had an ability to process red blood cells faster which helped them get more oxygen to their brain and muscles or some baloney ulitamately meant they could run faster. That is the most believable explanation I have heard so far... none of this selective breeding bs

edit on 3-7-2012 by knightwhosaysnih because: (no reason given)

Thats so amazing you were a 7th grade 2nd place champion. Do you still run?
It's gotta be true that blacks are superior if some dude beat you in track in the 90s

Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
Sports that rely on soley speed and strength like weight lifting and sprinting will be dominated by those who have superior genetics regardless of race.

It's very possible some races have higher gene expression in certain areas than others. That gene expression could be related to body composition like in a mesomorph, that would allow them to excel at activities that required these traits.

On the other hand, this will only get you so far. In sports that require alot of technique, the biggest and strongest aren't always the best, in fact, it's a pretty even field. Look at the brazilian jiu jitsu world championships for example, and watch smaller guys beat larger guys on the regular.

100% agreed
(pg 4)
This is just more political trolling

Originally posted by Cavalier
“Since the dawn of history the negro has owned the continent of Africa – rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail.”— Charles Darwin

“I have given my life to alleviate the sufferings of Africa.There is something that all White men who have lived here like I have must learn and know: that these individualsare a sub-race. They have neither the mental or emotionalabilities to equate or share equally with White men in any
functions of our civilization. I have given my life to try tobring unto them the advantages which our civilization mustoffer, but I have become well aware that we must retainthis status: White the superior, and they the inferior. Forwhenever a White man seeks to live among them as their
equals, they will destroy and devour him, and they willdestroy all his work. And so for any existing relationshipor any benefit to this people, let White men, from anywherein the world, who would come to help Africa, remember thatyou must maintain this status: you the master and they the
inferior, like children whom you would help or teach. Neverfraternize with them as equals. Never accept them as yoursocial equals or they will devour you. They will destroy you.”...Nobel Peace Prize winner Dr Albert Schweitzer

And thousands of years of history between Asias, Europeans, and Africans tend to disagree with the notion of Africans being superior. Not only are they not superior, but they are a drain on a progressive society, according to our ancestors and most scientist.

edit on 3-7-2012 by Cavalier because: (no reason given)

You see this? What the frig is this? It's arguments like this that make people queasy on the subject of "racial differences". Of course, some might say that this is an observation, but come on, we're human, and humans love to make gains. Observation usually leads to implementation. What this guy here is implying is scaring the black off me...

There's definately some gene that enables blacks to be better at sports and other athletic events.

If the sport isn't dominated by black people it's because they don't play it!

A radio personality here made the statement concerning soccer and why the USA can't dominate that sport, it's because our best athletes either play football or basketball. He said imagine our running backs or defensive backs playing soccer. How fast and strong those guys are. Imagine if they had been playing soccer instead of football since they were 9 years old?

As a black guy (been one all my life) I can say that the only sports we focus on in our youth is football or basketball. With experimental voyages in to baseball, boxing, soccer, swimming, etc. The other sports just aren't as enjoyable to us. Their not 'what's popular'.

As a youth when I wrestled with the other boys in my neighborhood, I was a skinny lil thing, probably didn't weigh 100lbs. But when I wrestled with the white guys...I got a better match from my sister. They were bigger than me, some by at least 75lbs, but I handled them with ease. I could beat two or three of them at the same time. Their body composition felt different, like they didn't have any core strength or something. Plus they were slow beyond belief.

That followed me into adult hood when I was in the army. We played football, wrestled, etc and they STILL were not a match for me physically and they still out weighed me!

I'm really interested in this dynamic and find it fascinating.

I will say this also. I've noticed that white guys who are raised in a black environment seem to pick up a lot of the black kids prowess. White guys who played with us were the white guys who could dunk the basketball, who could hang with us in football. It's like their quick twitch muscles adjusted to ours and they were much closer athletically to us than say a white guy who was new to playing with black people.

I remember this one white guy who was raised in the projects with us could dunk just like Jordan. Plus he was fast and silky with his movement.

All in all we should accept and celebrate our differences. Perhaps we will understand the roles our differences play in the future. There may be a purpose for them.

reply to post by jjf3rd77


Well, originally the argument--if any was allowed--was that the blacks excelled because they had to try harder to earn their place in whatever aspect of sport in which they were involved. Gradually, it has emerged to anybody but a blind fool, that is a false assumption. They simply are better in most sports that white folks guys or gals.

Yet, at some point in sports where minor percentage points count in jobs, incomes and popularity, there should be an equalizer put into place. Golfing has its handicaps, auto racing has its handicaps, so when is the idea of "equal" going to be trashed for the sake of simply keeping the contests fair to all? Or will the blacks eventually dominate most sports as they heavily do this day when percentage-wise, according to population ratios, they should be far less present in sports. --And I know, this still allows the old refrain of "Well, they try harder because so few other opportunities are available to them, etc."

I have to agree. Growing up near near detroit and primarily with black friends, african americans are naturally more muscular. That in my opinion is clear. Now superior is a blanket statement and not really comparable. I'm just saying they seem to more tone. Their muscles regardless of size seem more defined, for what its worth. Im a skinny white guy who was never very defined.