Obamacare amounts to slavery...

reply to post by Sparky63


That's right and in 5 years its projected to be 100 million freeloaders not counting the 25 million illegal voters, so that makes up 1/4 of all voters. Now we all know they will be the voters, so we are overwhelmed by the vote count. This will just escalate to no end in sight.

This thread is shill BS!!

reply to post by Masterjaden


They can't debate the topic, they don't have any real counter-arguments to do so, hence they will resort to ad hominem arguments instead, or they will make jokes thinking that's enough proof for their arguments... It is the way of these modern times...

You see countless of threads in these forums about how "the 99% is awake" when in truth the mayority of the people are fall asleep and have been already brainwashed and conditioned to accept the future that the banker world elites have in mind.

Hell, people are DEMANDING EXACTLY what the world banker elites want, and these people have been brainwashed enough to believe "it is their idea"...

reply to post by ElectricUniverse


The sad thing here is, I agree that the banksters are ruining the world, but instead of protesting, you would rather bash us on the other side of the aisle, while agreeing with you that banksters are ruining the world, for trying to change it and call us socialists.

Originally posted by Seraph Sephiroth
Topics like this make people here in the UK laugh. There's nothing wrong with helping people America!

Maybe not. But there is something wrong with getting a man with a gun to take something from someone to 'redistribute' it to yourself and others.

Until we realize that as a species, we will all continue to enslave each other through taxation.

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But the protests and changes you are asking for is exactly what they want.

You think those banker CEOs you see being put in jail, or that are being punished are the real people in power?

They are just peons in a game of chess in which the banker world elites have the whole world on check mate and the mayority of the people in the world are agreeing with the "changes" the world banker elites want...

A world in which a "world federation" or "world government" "regulates" everything is a socialist world, a world dictatorship.

reply to post by Sparky63


True, most Mexicans, if not all, vote Democrat, which is why the Democrats want to make them all legal. This will take away the voting power of the people in the United States.

Heck, when the time comes and the Democrats, or whoever is in power claim that the "solution to the problems is to unite with other countries and become one" they will have the votes to make it so.

Then we will see either the "North American Union" or even the 'World Democrat/Social (which would really mean Socialist) Government/Union" come to fruition.

When this happens and people start disagreeing with the "real changes" the world banker elites have in mind where would you go to get away from this "world government"?... The Moon?...

Amen. If I become unemployed, I HAVE to spend 300 a month on cobra or they will fine me 700 dollars. If I refuse to do that they will dock my taxes. If they can;t do that they will send men with guns to my house to arrest me. That is freedom? On top of that, they are banning sugar and fat in new york with that nanny Bloomberg. So now some old jewish lady like Bloomberg can tell me what I can and cannot EAT because of their healthcare scheme. That is freedom????

Yeah, it's too hard to get a job at walmart? That is all it takes to get healthcare. I have a friend who works there. She is diabetic. She gets everything she needs from the healthcare plan from a $9 an hour job. How hard is that????

Of course health care costs will go up. They will be adding millions of people to health care and they wont be paying #. OH, and they will add a million people a year from Mexico also.

Bull#. The amount of people without healthcare was greatly exaggerated. Half of them CHOSE not to have it and they were labeled "uninsured". Secondly, no one dies in this country they go to the e-room or medicaid. Thirdly, you can get healthcare at Walmart at a $9 an hour job that gives everything you need to treat diabetes. So why do this? Because the government wants to buy votes, period. It's bribery pure and simple.

Originally posted by ando35
Amen. If I become unemployed, I HAVE to spend 300 a month on cobra or they will fine me 700 dollars. If I refuse to do that they will dock my taxes. If they can;t do that they will send men with guns to my house to arrest me. That is freedom? On top of that, they are banning sugar and fat in new york with that nanny Bloomberg. So now some old jewish lady like Bloomberg can tell me what I can and cannot EAT because of their healthcare scheme. That is freedom????

Well, those who complains just get a job like all other Americans, pay for their insurance coverage and they won't face this problem isn't it? Why do these complainers insist in equating 'freedom' to wanting the rest of working Americans to foot their medical bills what they get sick? They can refuse to pay but can they refuse to get sick?

Originally posted by Seraph Sephiroth
Topics like this make people here in the UK laugh. There's nothing wrong with helping people America!

There is an amazing amount of "stock one-liners" on all these topics.

Helping people? Helping people how? Are you referring to how everyone must now be a "forced customer" to the insurance companies. As it's not "free healthcare", it's actually "forced insurance". You have to buy it, you must pay a corporation by law.

It is nothing like the UK system.

I will surely like to see you people come back after a few years and tell me all about how much "help" people have been receiving by the cutthroat insurance companies and pharma industry. They did absolutely nothing, NOTHING to curb the insane corruption that exists in the American healthcare industry. Nothing. It is just as corrupt, and just as disgusting. The only difference is now people are being forced to buy into it, regardless if they want to or not.

Originally posted by Sparky63

Originally posted by TheJaberwock
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So your Health care went up when obamacare was put into place? Wierd, seeing as the Supreme Court just upheld its constitutionality a week ago. Did your insurance go up last week?

My health care went up several months ago when Obamacare was passed by Congress and signed by Obama.

almost doubled since Obamacare was signed into law.

I don't see how this is confusing you. I said nothing about it being "put into place".

edit on 7/2/2012 by Sparky63 because: Comments

Spark63, has it occurred to you that your health care went up because you are getting coverage from the insurers of your preferred choice? It seems clear that your insurers are taking you for a ride. Your anger has clouded your judgement, get government insurance to bring your health care costs down.

reply to post by Masterjaden


I just read most of the first page, and from what most people have responded they are really flawed in their thinking. Healthcare in America, based upon the ideas of our founding fathers and what they wanted for us as a free society, is a PRIVILEGE not a RIGHT! It is a service that SOMEONE will have to pay for, even if it isn't YOU. Those of us that are RESPONSIBLE and take care of ourselves, should not have to pay for someone that is lazy and doesn't take care of themselves, or leads a sedentary lifestyle and gets heart disease because of it. Thats NOT my fault, and in a free society, quoting Dr. Paul on this, "You are held responsible for your own actions".
I don't care what the bleeding heart liberals have to say about this in Britain or Sweden, because they don't live in a truly free society and they can accept mediocre, one for all, wait in line to die, socialized medicine.
You have the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. What you do with these is nobody else's fault but your own.

Originally posted by matted

from what I read on this it's for the people that are without any health Ins. now will be covered.

"Covered". Yes, i suppose. By force. I'm not having it. You do as you please, and so will I.

Slavery ? how are you a slave ? no one said you had to work for the medical field you choose it.

it's not a matter of where I work, it's a matter of what they can force me to participate in. From where I stand, THAT is the slavery aspect. Forced participation where you don't want to go.

you choose to work, you choose to pay for things you want , like a car , it's not a right

Except now my choice has been violated. Obamney is doing violence to my freedom of choice, my ability to choose for myself, and exercise self-determination and take care of my own health, my own body, in my own way. They are trying to take my choice away from me, and I promise you that will NEVER happen as long as I still draw breath.

Every American should have health care plain an simple,

I have a health care plan. it in NO WAY involves any insurance ponzi scams, nor will it ever, this legislative monstrosity notwithstanding.

if you don't like the system change it or move out of the country.

This is actually what prompted me to respond. I'm hearing way too much of this "join the hive or GTFO" sort of talk. Anyone who thinks that way can flat out bite me. This is every damned bit as much MY country as it is theirs, and probably more so. This is where I was born. This is where my ancestors were born, going back for 20,000 years or more. This is where my ancestors are buried. this is where I will die. I don't tell other folks to "GTFO", and by God, if they want me out, they can come PUT me out, and they'd damned well better pack a lunch for the event

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this seems to be a way to provide health care for everyone.

Forcing you to buy a non-product is in no way, shape, or form "providing health care for every one". Not even close.

it like a drivers lic. it's not a right to have it.

It's not like a driver's license. No one forces you to have a driver's license. I mailed my license back in 2006, told them I didn't want the damned things any more, and no one came with guns to force me to take them back.

you all think of the worse when it comes to these types of things.
you fear that someone is liveing off of your hard work ,

Lots of people already live off of my hard work, and I never complain. This is not about that - this is about someone thinking they are going to force me to buy their non-product that I neither want nor need. They'd better think again.

geuss what you been a slave to someone your whole life.
all be it your mom/dad whomever.

Maybe you have, but I haven't. Nor am I going to be. That sound a lot like projection to me.

you young people think this is a new issue it's been something that's been going on since before Bill Clinton took office.

Thanks for assuming we're all "young people". It's the young people who seem to think that someone OWES them something for nothing.

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So again we hear this "You are not civilized" argument.. You consider theft of resources at the point of a gun CIVILIZED?????

Nope, because with your logic any sort of tax is slavery. Any fine you get from the police is slavery. So you'd have to be an anarchist.

Originally posted by ObservingTheWorld
Why should anyone get something that they cannot pay for? If you can't afford healthcare then just stay sick.

You don't have a job, then why should I care?

You can't afford to eat? Why should I help pay for your food?

You are too old to work? Sucks to be you.

In fact, all of my money should be only going to me. Help out my fellow man? What do you take me for? A charitable, civilized human being? I know we live in one of the top industrialized countries in the world, a country with one of the highest standards of living, but to give everyone access to some of the most basic humanitarian services... You've got to be kidding.

Seriously, if you break a leg and cannot afford to pay your doctor, then I have a low cost solution for you. Two sticks and some duct tape. How dare you think any doctor will help you, after all, isn't that slavery to a t? Mind you they will still be getting paid, will still be driving their car to work, return to their home each evening to a nice meal. I mean, isn't that how slavery works? Or am I thinking of the holocaust? Whatever, healthcare for everyone is just like being a slave during the holocaust with Genghis Khan breathing down your neck.

Okay, major sarcasm off. Why is it that we, as a so called 'civilized' country, cannot take care of each and every citizen? Forget the "Obama Care" name for a second. Forget that my taxes may raise a bit. Take a look at this from a purely human to human view. Take a look from a spiritual view. Why is there needless suffering in America when it just doesn't need to be. Are we that elitist and self arrogant that to provide an underprivileged person basic medical care is just outrageous and an affront to our way of life? If so, then maybe it is time to reevaluate who we are as a society.

I think you are right about one thing. Charity is a very good way to solve this problem. It was pretty effective 30 or 40 years ago as a way to feed the poor even. I am very charitable when I can donate my time or money. If it were a trust fund set up by big corporations to help aide people with big medical expenses (lets say, take half of what the CEO's of major companies earn... believe me they won't miss it...) then you might be on to something. American culture though, is a lot less Charitable than it once was. I think it needs to come back.
With that being said, we are responsible for our own health. If you are a roofer, you take the risk of breaking your leg if you fall off the roof. It is a part of the job that you CHOSE to do. Nobody forced you to choose a job that was dangerous. Nobody should force me to pay for it because you don't want to be a safe and responsible human being. It is the principle that this country is founded on, and the Obama administration has had a fine time of stepping on our rights. Notice the word force. If I were given the opportunity to donate to help others cover their medical expenses, then I gladly would as an act of charity. In America, this should be my CHOICE.

Stop the madness, we the people finally got them to represent us a little , Call it what you want tax or fine or penalty it is just the cost of being a citizen, unfortunately there are to many people that choose to leave misfortune to chance or don’t want to share the cost, or just don’t care about others , 4 when things go bad, it will be our tax dollars that fight fire, storm ,flood ,house you and yours , feed and clothe and take care of medical needs. That’s what society is all about, we take care of our own, we are all in this together. would you want any less, the old system of health care for the richest and fittest just doesn’t work well enough 4 all citizens

If USA has a population of 10 people. Based on freedom of choice, 1 refuses to get a job and doesn't want to buy health coverage. The remaining 9 got jobs and each pay $10 for medical insurance. Total collected is $90 for 10 people. It is still 10 people because USA takes care of all it's citizen, the 9 just have to pay for the 1 who refuses to pay.

Then Obamacare became the law, $90 is still collected for insurance coverage, but each of them only pay $9. The lazy guy who refuses to pay has to get a job to contribute to the insurance coverage or he shall be fined.

Guess who is the one who will bitch the most and claim injustice? And will keep on trying to instigate the other 9, saying Obamacare is slavery and will bring USA down? Masterjaden? Then we have one who is incapable of distinguishing what is good or bad for USA. He is easily swayed and affected by lies. You will hear him claiming insurance cost is up and Obamacare is truely evil, Sparky63 fits the bill.

Those who don't understand, just read it until you do. Take your time.