UK ready to take on Israel over fate of children clapped in irons

I see a parallel between this "soft torture" of children by Israelis and the treatment of POWs and others at AbuGrav Prison.....

I laugh at those who say, "there is not proof" yet it seems this is the same pattern of prisoner abuse as the Americans did until the pictures leaked and the truth came out..

I will say that Hitler would be proud to see his impact on the Jewish people and their psyche!

When you leave the moral high ground and climb down in the pit you become just like the monster you are fighting!

Originally posted by auraelium

You should realy read the OP's post before you comment.it deals with the difference between how Israeli v palistinian kids are treated.But if it is true as you say and they are treated the same (even though the evidence says they are not).Then by your twisted logic is akin to a Pedophile father who is in court accused of raping some kid down the street saying in his defence "Its ok because i rape my own kids awsell".......

It's quite a stretch to compare that with a pedophile, you know, unless it's on purpose to further ad heat to the topic. The point was that is common procedure. But as you said....

You see, who the Israelis commit these crimes aginst isnt the issue ...the issue is they are in violation of Geneva Declaration of the Rights of the Child,which Israel has signed

My impression was that this is exactly the issue in this thread; never seen someone concerned or asking about Rights of the Israeli Children, isn't it? Never heard about Geneva coming to ask why israeli kids of as less as 14 y/o are put in leg irons. By their own people, not by enemies. Just like the whole list of crimes against children posted above your post is ignored. Oh, but if they are palestinian kids, now, let's put it on the front page....

I don't like to sustain arguments when there is so much hate involved. Just like with believers, it doesn't leave any space for common sense. Hate is self sustaining, and will twist everything to see only what it wants to see.

It's quite a stretch to compare that with a pedophile, you know, unless it's on purpose to further ad heat to the topic. The point was that is common procedure. But as you said....

You see, who the Israelis commit these crimes aginst isnt the issue ...the issue is they are in violation of Geneva Declaration of the Rights of the Child,which Israel has signed

Whats so different in comparison? its all child abuse isnt it?

My impression was that this is exactly the issue in this thread; never seen someone concerned or asking about Rights of the Israeli Children, isn't it? Never heard about Geneva coming to ask why israeli kids of as less as 14 y/o are put in leg irons. By their own people, not by enemies. Just like the whole list of crimes against children posted above your post is ignored. Oh, but if they are palestinian kids, now, let's put it on the front page....

I don't like to sustain arguments when there is so much hate involved. Just like with believers, it doesn't leave any space for common sense. Hate is self sustaining, and will twist everything to see only what it wants to see.

You still dont get it do you? forget about the leg irons its not so much about the leg irons,I will repeat it again for your absurd stupidity....

"Its about locking 12 year old children (and some as young as six it has been reported) in solitary confinement without access to a lawyer or even their parents for up to 3 months, while being verbally and physically abused"

Originally posted by Muckster
You still havent replied... just in case you missed it... from page 5 of this thread!!

Both I and Xcathdra (twice) gave you an answer. In fact, Xcathdra had dealt with your question here before you even posted on this thread.

Then we both answered your question again.

Perhaps you would like it if you said JUMP and we asked you how high?


You might find this article interesting

Kill Jews for Allah

"Our war with the descendants of the apes and pigs (i.e., Jews) is a war of religion and faith. Long Live Fatah!”
[PA TV (Fatah), Jan. 9, 2012]

This statement was made by the moderator at a Fatah event, and it highlights a dangerous trend by the PA and Fatah to define the conflict with Israel as an uncompromising religious war, mandated by Islam.

An integral part of this Palestinian Islamization is the teaching that Islam is at war with Jews and Israel. Jews are said to be the enemy of Allah, and PA (Fatah) and Hamas religious and academic leaders alike have reiterated on numerous occasions, including as recently as January 2012 by the PA Mufti, the Islamic teaching that the Hour of Resurrection is dependent on the extermination of Jews:

PA Mufti Muhammad Hussein: “Palestine in its entirety is a revolution… continuing today, and until the End of Days. The reliable Hadith… says:

"The Hour [of Resurrection] will not come until you fight the Jews. The Jew will hide behind stones or trees. Then the stones or trees will call: 'Oh Muslim, servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him.'”
[PA TV (Fatah), Jan. 9, 2012

Link

It is interesting that Palestinians frame the Arab/Israeli conflict in terms of Muslim versus Jew.

What are you thoughts on this matter, if you have any thoughts on it?

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Are you still posting verses from the Koran supposedly advocating violence? I noticed you completely ignored my response to that....being verses from the Bible doing the same thing. I should have guessed you would stick your fingers in your ears and scream "Lalalala"and ignore the facts laid out in front of you when they don't conform to your narrow view of the world.

stupid

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Here is the post I am referring too, so you can't claim you didn't see it....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

It's two pages back. I can't wait to see how you respond to the fact I provided concrete evidence that calls you out on your nonsense.

reply to post by ollncasino


Ignored again. Why am I not surprised?

Pretending I haven't posted and ignoring the fact I have refuted your nonsense will not make me go away, just saying!

reply to post by ollncasino


So why are you commenting on Islam when this thread is about children being snatched by zionist from their homes at night?

I am surprised you didn't accuse the British government of being antisemitic and of rolling out the old Blood Libel accusation.

Seems Jews are victims of this form of antisemitism wherever they go.

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Oh and by the way, that website you keep quoting, Palwatch, is owned and operated by Israelis, straight from their AboutUs page:

palwatch.org...

Founded in 1996, Palestinian Media Watch Is an Israeli Research Institute....

Gee, I wonder if they have an agenda?

Keep trying though, this is hilarious.....

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady
reply to post by ollncasino

 

So why are you commenting on Islam when this thread is about children being snatch by zionist from their homes at night?

I am surprised you didn't accuse the British government of being antisemitic and of rolling out the old Blood Libel accusation.

Seems Jews are victims of this form of antisemitism wherever they go.

edit on 28-6-2012 by Ilovecatbinlady because: (no reason given)

It's the classic zionist defense. When they are at fault for doing something they blame the other person to justify it.

reply to post by buster2010


Then they run away with their tails between their legs when faced with a mountain of evidence proving them dead wrong.

I believe we call people like that cowards.

reply to post by auraelium

You still dont get it do you? forget about the leg irons its not so much about the leg irons,I will repeat it again for your absurd stupidity....

"Its about locking 12 year old children (and some as young as six it has been reported) in solitary confinement without access to a lawyer or even their parents for up to 3 months, while being verbally and physically abused"

The zionist cannot justify these crimes in human terms or in a way ordinary folk can understand. The justifications they use in their own minds and amongst themselves is perverse, deviant, amoral and outright criminal.

Of course they cannot share this moral desolation with us so they use sophistry, lies and dissembly to give an impression of justifying their behaviour. This is why they will quibble about shackles, antisemtism and fantasy child suicide bombers in defense of state crimes against the children of occupied people.

Originally posted by Kryties

Are you still posting verses from the Koran supposedly advocating violence? I noticed you completely ignored my response to that....being verses from the Bible doing the same thing.

I should have guessed you would stick your fingers in your ears and scream "Lalalala"and ignore the facts laid out in front of you when they don't conform to your narrow view of the world.

Did you miss my response here?

I will repeat it for you.

Koran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Koran

In the space of a single decade Muhammad

• Fought 8 major battles,
• Led 18 raids,
• Planned another 38 military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction.

HistoryNet

Major battles were exactly that.

• At Kheibar in 628 C.E., the Muslim army was 2,000 combatants.
• When Muhammad mounted his assault on Mecca (630 C.E.) he did so with 10,000 men.
• And at the Battle of Hunayn a few months later the army numbered 12,000.

Source: Islamic Imperialism: A History by Karsh, E. (2007)

Are Muslims aware that Muhammad was a military leader who spread Islam by the sword?

The Koran and the Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith (a holy book to Sunnis who make up about 85% of all Muslims worldwide) make it abundantly clear that Muhammad was a military general who spread Islam by the sword.

Muhammad practised what he preached. He preached violence in the Koran. He practised violence.

Were you aware that Muhammad practised what he preached?

Here is a map showing the area Muhammad and his immediate successors conquered.

reply to post by ollncasino


Ok, so you replied to my pointing out that the Bible also advocates violence by quoting more out of context Koran verses? Seriously? That's your argument?

You should have just stayed silent mate.

Originally posted by ollncasino
The UK has a cheek. During the troubles in Northern Ireland, the UK had the worst human rights record in Europe.

Living beside people who want to blow you and your family up kind of has that effect.

By the way, I'm British myself, I just can't stand the UK establishment's double standards.

edit on 28-6-2012 by ollncasino because: (no reason given)

You show these pictures like these people are guilty of something... You know what they are guilty of? They are guilty of being mistreated by the israelis, they are guilty of being murdered, kicked out of thier homes, innocent people killed or named by the Jewish Zionist pigs. They are guilty of defending themselves against a tyrannical country hellbent on world conquest through world Jewish government. God bless these Palestinians. You sir cannot see what is right in front of your 2 probably beady little eyes. I am an American and I sure as hell do not support Israel.

You say living beside a people that want to blow them up. Do you even know why they blow them up?

Do you even have a frickin clue?

The idiocy of people just reinforces my belief that people truly are blindly stupid.

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Here is a few more examples for you to chew on....

www.evilbible.com...

Kill Brats
    From there Elisha went up to Bethel.  While he was on his way, some small boys came out of the city and jeered at him.  "Go up baldhead," they shouted, "go up baldhead!"  The prophet turned and saw them, and he cursed them in the name of the Lord.  Then two shebears came out of the woods and tore forty two of the children to pieces.  (2 Kings 2:23-24 NAB)
 
God Kills the Curious 
    And he smote of the men of Beth-shemesh, because they had looked into the ark of Jehovah, he smote of the people seventy men, `and' fifty thousand men; and the people mourned, because Jehovah had smitten the people with a great slaughter.  And the men of Beth-shemesh said, Who is able to stand before Jehovah, this holy God? and to whom shall he go up from us?   (1Samuel 6:19-20 ASV)
 
Killed by a Lion
    Meanwhile, the LORD instructed one of the group of prophets to say to another man, "Strike me!"  But the man refused to strike the prophet.  Then the prophet told him, "Because you have not obeyed the voice of the LORD, a lion will kill you as soon as you leave me."  And sure enough, when he had gone, a lion attacked and killed him.  (1 Kings 20:35-36 NLT)
 
Killing the Good Samaritan
    The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill.  Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals.
    When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip.  But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God.  (2 Samuel 6:3-7 NAB)

reply to post by ollncasino


And some more......these are especially juicy, all about killing children like you are advocating in this thread....I see where you get the idea from now.....

www.evilbible.com...

Murdering Children
 
Kill Sons of Sinners
    Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants.  (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)
 
God Will Kill Children
    The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived.  Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you.  It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone.  I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre.  But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered."  O LORD, what should I request for your people?  I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk.  The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them.  I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions.  I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels.  The people of Israel are stricken.  Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit.  And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children."  (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)
 
Kill Men, Women, and Children
    "Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked.  Show no mercy; have no pity!  Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children.  But do not touch anyone with the mark.  Begin your task right here at the Temple."  So they began by killing the seventy leaders.  "Defile the Temple!" the LORD commanded.  "Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill!  Go!"  So they went throughout the city and did as they were told."  (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)
 
God Kills all the First Born of Egypt
    And at midnight the LORD killed all the firstborn sons in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn son of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn son of the captive in the dungeon. Even the firstborn of their livestock were killed.  Pharaoh and his officials and all the people of Egypt woke up during the night, and loud wailing was heard throughout the land of Egypt. There was not a single house where someone had not died.  (Exodus 12:29-30 NLT)
 
Kill Old Men and Young Women
    "You are my battle-ax and sword," says the LORD.  "With you I will shatter nations and destroy many kingdoms.  With you I will shatter armies, destroying the horse and rider, the chariot and charioteer.  With you I will shatter men and women, old people and children, young men and maidens.  With you I will shatter shepherds and flocks, farmers and oxen, captains and rulers.  "As you watch, I will repay Babylon and the people of Babylonia for all the wrong they have done to my people in Jerusalem," says the LORD.  "Look, O mighty mountain, destroyer of the earth!  I am your enemy," says the LORD.  "I will raise my fist against you, to roll you down from the heights.  When I am finished, you will be nothing but a heap of rubble.  You will be desolate forever.  Even your stones will never again be used for building.  You will be completely wiped out," says the LORD.  (Jeremiah 51:20-26)
     (Note that after God promises the Israelites a victory against Babylon, the Israelites actually get their butts kicked by them in the next chapter.  So much for an all-knowing and all-powerful God.)
 
God Will Kill the Children of Sinners
    If even then you remain hostile toward me and refuse to obey, I will inflict you with seven more disasters for your sins.  I will release wild animals that will kill your children and destroy your cattle, so your numbers will dwindle and your roads will be deserted.  (Leviticus 26:21-22 NLT)
 
More Rape and Baby Killing
    Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword.  Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes.  Their homes will be sacked and their wives raped by the attacking hordes.  For I will stir up the Medes against Babylon, and no amount of silver or gold will buy them off.  The attacking armies will shoot down the young people with arrows.  They will have no mercy on helpless babies and will show no compassion for the children.  (Isaiah 13:15-18 NLT)

Much more where this came from.......

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Here's one of my favourites.....

Killing at Jericho
  
When the people heard the sound of the horns, they shouted as loud as they could. Suddenly, the walls of Jericho collapsed, and the Israelites charged straight into the city from every side and captured it.  They completely destroyed everything in it – men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep, donkeys – everything.  (Joshua 6:20-21 NLT)

www.evilbible.com...

Lovely people, those Israelites, aren't they? They even slaughtered the animals, talk about bloodthirsty and violent!

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Kryties

Are you still posting verses from the Koran supposedly advocating violence? I noticed you completely ignored my response to that....being verses from the Bible doing the same thing.

I should have guessed you would stick your fingers in your ears and scream "Lalalala"and ignore the facts laid out in front of you when they don't conform to your narrow view of the world.

Did you miss my response here?

I will repeat it for you.

Koran 9:29

Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.

Koran

In the space of a single decade Muhammad

• Fought 8 major battles,
• Led 18 raids,
• Planned another 38 military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction.

HistoryNet

Major battles were exactly that.

• At Kheibar in 628 C.E., the Muslim army was 2,000 combatants.
• When Muhammad mounted his assault on Mecca (630 C.E.) he did so with 10,000 men.
• And at the Battle of Hunayn a few months later the army numbered 12,000.

Source: Islamic Imperialism: A History by Karsh, E. (2007)

Are Muslims aware that Muhammad was a military leader who spread Islam by the sword?

The Koran and the Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith (a holy book to Sunnis who make up about 85% of all Muslims worldwide) make it abundantly clear that Muhammad was a military general who spread Islam by the sword.

Muhammad practised what he preached. He preached violence in the Koran. He practised violence.

Were you aware that Muhammad practised what he preached?

Here is a map showing the area Muhammad and his immediate successors conquered.

edit on 28-6-2012 by ollncasino because: add map

You behave as if the Age of the Caliphate is something wrong?

The Muslims created a great civilisation that progressed humanity from antiquity to beginning of the Renaissance.

It was the Age of the Caliphate that prevented the extinction of Jewry by giving Jews sanctuary when the Christian West was burning them on the stake.

What you are trying do is delegimitise Islam, its place in history and the people that worship God as Muslims.

You do this for the sake of that shXXty little racist and terrorist state.