UK ready to take on Israel over fate of children clapped in irons

Originally posted by Azadok2day

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Quran (2:191-193)

Quran (2:216)

Quran (3:151)

Quran (4:74)

Quran (4:89)

Quran (5:33)

Quran (8:12)

Can you show me where it teaches peace and love?

I agree about the bible / other religions having violent passages as well. However to claim there are no such verses in the Q'uran is not correct.

CONTEXT

[color=gold]CONTEXT

CONTEXT

You may wish to look this up in the dictionary you seem to like referring to.

I seem to recall many instances in the bible where, if the verse is not taken in context, the text reads as something completely different to it's original meaning. The same applies to the Koran, I thought you were smart enough to recognise this.

edit on 28/6/2012 by Kryties because: (no reason given)

Below is a link to a 164 Koran verses about jihad , they give you all the details about Islam conquering by the sword and again I do realize that the Koran has numerous beautiful and peaceful statements although most are designed for fellow Muslims and yes I think you are a Muslim practicing Taqiyya . The above reply from Xcathdra had all the verses when she posted and you erased them leaving just the verse numbers hiding the violence they cite . Not to mention you consistently deflect arguments to avoid the truth of the subject , in this case violence in Islam .

The Jews have been backed in a corner by the surrounding nations , Palestine which by the way means " land of the Philistine " is just a made up people used by their fellow Muslims to justify attacks on Israel. So if they have to put young adults in leg irons just like numerous other countries including America then whats the real issue ? Hate of Jews I am guessing .
www.answering-islam.org...

edit on 28-6-2012 by Azadok2day because: (no reason given)

I'm sure a Jew will accurately translate what the Qur'an says. You do know it's Jewish law that says they should lie to the goyim to get what they want.

Originally posted by buster2010
goyim

I liken the Jewish usage of the word "goyim" to the US use of the word "alien" when they are describing people who are not US citizens in their country. It's bloody rude to say the very least and is reflective of how they view the outside world beyond their borders.

reply to post by ollncasino


You still havent replied... just in case you missed it... from page 5 of this thread!!

Originally posted by Muckster

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by Muckster
Err... no no no... You answer the question please... not divert to someone else’s opinion or deflect by answering with another question. I asked you a direct question... have the decency to give a direct answer!

Is it right or wrong to keep children in leg irons??

Answer that and ill shall answer...

"We were sitting in court and saw a section of a preliminary hearing when a very young looking child, a boy, was brought in wearing a brown uniform with leg irons on.

Under the UN guidelines, leg irons are legal if used appropriately, for instance if the child was a flight risk while being transported between detention and court.



Palestinian TV Show Celebrates Ramadan with ‘The Best Mothers’…of Suicide Bombers

To celebrate the Muslim holiday of Ramadan, Palestinian TV has launched a new program called “The Best Mothers.“ But who constitutes the ”best mothers” according to Palestinians?

Apparently ones whose children were suicide bombers who killed innocent Israelis and themselves, and hence, became “martyrs.”

The 10-minute segment, that reportedly airs every day, features a different Palestinian mother in her home, talking about the children of whom she is most proud.

Palestinian Media Watch reported that last week, PA TV chose to interview the mother of Darin Abu Aisheh, a suicide bomber who blew herself up at a roadblock in 2002, wounding three Israelis.

Link

LOL - Are you a politician... because you are great at avoiding taking any responsibility or even directly answering the question.

OK so the UN thinks its fine, under certain conditions such as if the child was a flight risk while being transported between detention and court. ok great...

But this is not what this thread is talking about and you know it... hooding and detaining children in leg irons...

From the OP's source...

Children from the West Bank are held in conditions that could amount to torture, such as solitary confinement, with little or no access to their parents. They can be forced to stay awake before being verbally as well as physically abused and coerced into signing confessions they cannot read.

and...

We were sitting in court and saw a section of a preliminary hearing when a very young looking child, a boy, was brought in wearing a brown uniform with leg irons on. We were shocked by that. This was a situation where we had been invited into the military courts for briefings from senior judges

So, as you can clearly see, we are not talking about restraint for protection... the accusations are tantamount to torture!!

So again i am asking YOU directly... and i want your personal thoughts, not a link to a propaganda website... or a quote from someone else... or some UN guidelines... YOU answer the question please, from your own heart...

Is it right or wrong to keep children in leg irons??

In fact i could also add to theis question... keeping them hooded and deprive them of sleep... but for now i will keep it simple.

Please answer yourself with no links or propaganda pictures!

Originally posted by phroziac
Gods chosen people my arse

edit on 28-6-2012 by phroziac because: (no reason given)

The people running Israel are not God's chosen people. Jesus himself told them you are not of the seed of Abraham. Galatians This makes Christians God's chosen people not Jews.

I am amazed that we have some SICK individuals on this site actually defending this. absolutely amazing....

reply to post by boymonkey74


Well how do you handle little kids and mothers with bombs on their backs? The problem is the have handled them too easily, if you shoot them onsite no questions asked perhaps that might make them stop and think OHHH NO that's not it, how do you combat their ideaology that makes them a maytar or virgins on demand for dying for ALLAH ?? Perplexing. The only solutuion is to convert or better yet KILL THEM ALL.

reply to post by DOLCOTT


You could stop committing genocide on them and forcing them to live in poverty and despair simply because they worship a different god than you.

It's not rocket science mate.

Haha! Good one!

This wouldn't be more nonsensical piffle from that loony Hague now would it? Ironic, sharing a name with the place where he and his partners in war crime should be languishing.

Challenging Israel; the two nations are secret bedfellows.

Israel is a weak, defenseless country and has every right to defend itself from child terrorists. There is no age requirement for terrorism; these children could be plotting the demise of the regime and collaborating with their parent terrorists. By the way, enhance interrogation has been a proven success (Dick Cheney says so) and works especially well when applied to children. Why bother enhanced-ly interrogating terrorists when we can be enhanced-ly interrogating their children?

reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy


Gawd, I almost fell for that before I realised you were joking

reply to post by buster2010


There are no chosen people of god. If there's anything we can be sure of in regards to the gods, it is that they have lost faith in humanity.

I hate to comment on Israel related threads; as a goy living in Israel for 14 years I am stunned at the amount of BS and hate being thrown in here; some people are so clueless that it would be hilarious if it wouldn't be so toxic.

Anyway, each one with it's opinion and belief. I only want to say this:
Israeli police handcuff it's own citizens, including minors, both at hands and feet, when the crime is violence related. I've seen it with my own eyes in a court of law, closed door trial (like all minors trials), 14 years old kid with irons on his legs. In other words, no matter how "revolting" do you find it, it's nothing more than normal procedure here.

Much ado about nothing, if you ask me. Or a political correctness overloaded colon just releasing itself.

Originally posted by WhiteHat
I hate to comment on Israel related threads; as a goy living in Israel for 14 years I am stunned at the amount of BS and hate being thrown in here; some people are so clueless that it would be hilarious if it wouldn't be so toxic.

Anyway, each one with it's opinion and belief. I only want to say this:
Israeli police handcuff it's own citizens, including minors, both at hands and feet, when the crime is violence related. I've seen it with my own eyes in a court of law, closed door trial (like all minors trials), 14 years old kid with irons on his legs. In other words, no matter how "revolting" do you find it, it's nothing more than normal procedure here.

Much ado about nothing, if you ask me. Or a political correctness overloaded colon just releasing itself.

No they dont put 12 yo Israeli kids in leg Irons and keep them for 3 months in solitary confinment without access to their parents sorry...........try again.

reply to post by ollncasino


That would be a good point if it was actually true, care to back up what you say with any facts....... didn't think so.

Originally posted by auraelium

Originally posted by WhiteHat
I hate to comment on Israel related threads; as a goy living in Israel for 14 years I am stunned at the amount of BS and hate being thrown in here; some people are so clueless that it would be hilarious if it wouldn't be so toxic.

Anyway, each one with it's opinion and belief. I only want to say this:
Israeli police handcuff it's own citizens, including minors, both at hands and feet, when the crime is violence related. I've seen it with my own eyes in a court of law, closed door trial (like all minors trials), 14 years old kid with irons on his legs. In other words, no matter how "revolting" do you find it, it's nothing more than normal procedure here.

Much ado about nothing, if you ask me. Or a political correctness overloaded colon just releasing itself.

No they dont put 12 yo Israeli kids in leg Irons and keep them for 3 months in solitary confinment without access to their parents sorry...........try again.

edit on 28-6-2012 by auraelium because: (no reason given)

I don't know about "solitary confinment" and how much truth is in it, but I'm telling you the facts. And unless you come here, to go together to a minors court or prison and prove me wrong, you can be as sorry as you want, it doesn't really matter. That's the truth, first hand witnessed, not TV or anti-whatever propaganda.
So if they do that with their own citizens, should palestinians get a softer treatment?

reply to post by ollncasino


For one who likes to post propaganda a lot, how about the fact that Hamas is an israeli funded outfit and that Hamas operates by israeli orders and outside of the Palestinian's peoples wishes ...
thus leaving the poor Palestinians to face whatever israel wants to do to them

oh and btw I don't trust anyone or any countries government that supports the illegal state of israel and that includes my very own israeli lobby funded uk

Here we go again, more Jew bashing...typical, OK let's look at HYPOCRISY

for starters, we can start in our OWN backyard, America

some of the Worst State enforced [and society protected, ignored, tolerated] Abuses of Juveniles--Children

starting with Michigan and other states...more Juvenile [children] in solitary, tortured, psychological abused, females raped with impunity [some of the Southern States are horrid for this], and yes, held in LEG IRONS

humaneexposures.com...

Excerpt: "Only Pennsylvania has more juveniles serving life sentences than Michigan. Both states may be experiencing some change in the near future."

PHOTOGRAPHS, of the Abuses of Children in Our Juvenile Detention Centers [many of these children were Prior abused/raped during Foster Care via CPS, that the Pharma, Courts, Counselors and private foster care agencies [in some states they are not even audited or monitored, once CPS releases the children via Federal-State dollars they are under agency's care, and many have been Proven to be protectors of pedophiles and horrid abusers, FACT], made profit off of them First, all paid by the Taxpayer...

prisonphotography.wordpress.com...

Juvenile Justice, report, applies to UK as well since the juvenile centers are being bought out by Private Corporations, I will postpone the Horrendous abuses in both US and UK in regards to mental health/disability to Children, which any can research, you'll find tons on google alone, as well as the continued 'protection' of trafficking young children for sex slavery

[odd how So much of this is happening in UK and other European States, in none other than the very State sources that 'claim' to help children--how the System feeds the demand for virgins aka trafficking for sex slavery, in a round about way [doesn't take a Genius to figure it out, because sex slavery is real big for tourists and Business conventions, FACT]

www.telegraph.co.uk...

[do research, there's tons of evidence]




OK, now for UK,

this is the one Reported, like the US, I am sure there are TONS THAT ARE NEVER HEARD OF....because this is an epidemic

www.communitycare.co.uk...

India

southasia.oneworld.net...

how about Pakistan [with PHOTOS]

www.assistnews.net...

Iran [women defenders of human rights including for Children increases in prison population--where Rape is mandatory for girl virgins, young Children, before execution, uh yea like Duh that's not abuse, Plaleese]

iran-women-solidarity.net...

South America again with Photos

whole Gallery of Children, ages of 7 even in PRISONS in South America [leftist countries and rightist countries]

www.exposure.org...

www.nytimes.com...

and there are tons for Asia, prisons for women and Children [because in patriarchy they both are crap toilets whose lives aren't worth much]

are Horrid, and even if, yes these are OTHER countries

both UK and America and Saudi and other OIL-RICH nations have supported, advocated, TRAINED THEIR POLICE, that hold, maintain and abuse these children

so, uh, Yea...granted, do something about the abuses of Children in Israel/Palestine,

but Don't use Children's Human Rights as some 'token' card to push anti-Semitism agenda, or other agendas, because That is just further exploiting them,

we have Enough political whores and pimps in our world--the problem with system sponsored abuses of Children and Women are GLOBAL EPIDEMICS

not ONE nation, can claim Innocence on this, NOT one.

Originally posted by WhiteHat

Originally posted by auraelium

Originally posted by WhiteHat
I hate to comment on Israel related threads; as a goy living in Israel for 14 years I am stunned at the amount of BS and hate being thrown in here; some people are so clueless that it would be hilarious if it wouldn't be so toxic.

Anyway, each one with it's opinion and belief. I only want to say this:
Israeli police handcuff it's own citizens, including minors, both at hands and feet, when the crime is violence related. I've seen it with my own eyes in a court of law, closed door trial (like all minors trials), 14 years old kid with irons on his legs. In other words, no matter how "revolting" do you find it, it's nothing more than normal procedure here.

Much ado about nothing, if you ask me. Or a political correctness overloaded colon just releasing itself.

No they dont put 12 yo Israeli kids in leg Irons and keep them for 3 months in solitary confinment without access to their parents sorry...........try again.

edit on 28-6-2012 by auraelium because: (no reason given)

I don't know about "solitary confinment" and how much truth is in it, but I'm telling you the facts. And unless you come here, to go together to a minors court or prison and prove me wrong, you can be as sorry as you want, it doesn't really matter. That's the truth, first hand witnessed, not TV or anti-whatever propaganda.
So if they do that with their own citizens, should palestinians get a softer treatment?

edit on 28-6-2012 by WhiteHat because: (no reason given)

You should realy read the OP's post before you comment.it deals with the difference between how Israeli v palistinian kids are treated.But if it is true as you say and they are treated the same (even though the evidence says they are not).Then by your twisted logic is akin to a Pedophile father who is in court accused of raping some kid down the street saying in his defence "Its ok because i rape my own kids awsell".......

You see, who the Israelis commit these crimes aginst isnt the issue ...the issue is they are in violation of Geneva Declaration of the Rights of the Child,which Israel has signed

Originally posted by ThreeBears
Here we go again, more Jew bashing...typical, OK let's look at HYPOCRISY

for starters, we can start in our OWN backyard, America

some of the Worst State enforced [and society protected, ignored, tolerated] Abuses of Juveniles--Children

starting with Michigan and other states...more Juvenile [children] in solitary, tortured, psychological abused, females raped with impunity [some of the Southern States are horrid for this], and yes, held in LEG IRONS

humaneexposures.com...

Excerpt: "Only Pennsylvania has more juveniles serving life sentences than Michigan. Both states may be experiencing some change in the near future."

PHOTOGRAPHS, of the Abuses of Children in Our Juvenile Detention Centers [many of these children were Prior abused/raped during Foster Care via CPS, that the Pharma, Courts, Counselors and private foster care agencies [in some states they are not even audited or monitored, once CPS releases the children via Federal-State dollars they are under agency's care, and many have been Proven to be protectors of pedophiles and horrid abusers, FACT], made profit off of them First, all paid by the Taxpayer...

prisonphotography.wordpress.com...

Juvenile Justice, report, applies to UK as well since the juvenile centers are being bought out by Private Corporations, I will postpone the Horrendous abuses in both US and UK in regards to mental health/disability to Children, which any can research, you'll find tons on google alone, as well as the continued 'protection' of trafficking young children for sex slavery

[odd how So much of this is happening in UK and other European States, in none other than the very State sources that 'claim' to help children--how the System feeds the demand for virgins aka trafficking for sex slavery, in a round about way [doesn't take a Genius to figure it out, because sex slavery is real big for tourists and Business conventions, FACT]

www.telegraph.co.uk...

[do research, there's tons of evidence]




OK, now for UK,

this is the one Reported, like the US, I am sure there are TONS THAT ARE NEVER HEARD OF....because this is an epidemic

www.communitycare.co.uk...

India

southasia.oneworld.net...

how about Pakistan [with PHOTOS]

www.assistnews.net...

Iran [women defenders of human rights including for Children increases in prison population--where Rape is mandatory for girl virgins, young Children, before execution, uh yea like Duh that's not abuse, Plaleese]

iran-women-solidarity.net...

South America again with Photos

whole Gallery of Children, ages of 7 even in PRISONS in South America [leftist countries and rightist countries]

www.exposure.org...

www.nytimes.com...

and there are tons for Asia, prisons for women and Children [because in patriarchy they both are crap toilets whose lives aren't worth much]

are Horrid, and even if, yes these are OTHER countries

both UK and America and Saudi and other OIL-RICH nations have supported, advocated, TRAINED THEIR POLICE, that hold, maintain and abuse these children

so, uh, Yea...granted, do something about the abuses of Children in Israel/Palestine,

but Don't use Children's Human Rights as some 'token' card to push anti-Semitism agenda, or other agendas, because That is just further exploiting them,

we have Enough political whores and pimps in our world--the problem with system sponsored abuses of Children and Women are GLOBAL EPIDEMICS

not ONE nation, can claim Innocence on this, NOT one.

Abuses against children happen in every country, and have in the past its inevitable that some kids will get treated as such and slip thriugh the net, but the difference with israel is ....the child abuse seems to be Government Policy.......

Originally posted by ollncasino

Really?

I didn't know that.

I suppose the BBC are liars as well?

Careful. Your agenda is showing

Im new here, but this is sarcasm right

I feel sorry for the children and if that was going on on my front door then I would arm my children as well
does the British Army really think it is going to do any good by interfering
have we ever ?
leave them to it I say and stop funding countries that take part in things like this
I know that is never going to happen just my opinion

edit on 28-6-2012 by Hess88 because: (no reason given)