UK ready to take on Israel over fate of children clapped in irons

Originally posted by Azadok2day

Do me a favor and only quote the King James Bible all others have been corrupted with lies .

Given what I now know about Queen James I would be more than happy to! I'll even focus on the homosexual bits if you like lmfao...a bit like he did.........hahahahahahahahaha.......seriously I can't breathe.......

My day just keeps getting better and better.......

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Azadok2day

 

Wow, could it be that you have finally realised my point all along? This was all about context, and certain posters quoting Quran verses that missed the context complelely. So I started to find some Bible verses I could quote out of context to prove the point, and you have fallen for that hook, line and sinker! Thank you so much for proving my point!

Funnily enough, I had forgotten just how vile and disgusting much of the Bible is, it's been quite a journey for me reading through those verses I've quoted.

All in all though, you and several other posters have successfully derailed this thread away from its original topic. I fell for the bait this time, I won't be making that mistake again.

edit on 28/6/2012 by Kryties because: (no reason given)

You have no clue again , you say verses are taken out of context to make a point between the bible and the Quran .the jihad verses in the Quran apply for everything in today's world unlike the bible stories , the Quran calls for a one world religion under Allah and all who won't bow to Islam are to be beheaded . The Quran has some very nice versus but from what I understand the jihad verses take presidence . You say the bible is vile then the Quran is pure inimitigated evil enspired by Satan himself .

Originally posted by Ilovecatbinlady

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Kryties

Originally posted by buster2010
goyim

I liken the Jewish usage of the word "goyim" to the US use of the word "alien" when they are describing people who are not US citizens in their country. It's bloody rude to say the very least and is reflective of how they view the outside world beyond their borders.

And Infidel is what, a term of endearment?

Your ethics would riase eyebrows in the Court of Caligula.....

edit on 28-6-2012 by Xcathdra because: (no reason given)

Infidel are what Islamophobes call themselves and I agree with them on that assessment.

Its good to know that you think the Q'uran lies... Its been sometime since I have seen a person actually state it.

Out of curiosity were you guys even intested in discussing the topic or was this just another one of those typical hate the US / hate Israel propoganda threads that are prevailent on this site?

I am still waiting on you guys to actually engage the topic and admit that you guys are ignoring the facts in orer to push a lie.

Have to love Hypocrisy....

reply to post by ollncasino

Both I and Xcathdra (twice) gave you an answer. In fact, Xcathdra had dealt with your question here before you even posted on this thread.

Sorry but who's Xcathdra? I wasn’t talking to Xcathdra... i was talking to YOU!!

Then we both answered your question again.

Please show me where YOU answered my question directly... you know, your own words not silly propaganda photos and links to websites... Your own answer!!


If you did reply with an honest and straightforward answer (of your own words) and i missed it then i will apologise... but i honestly can’t see it anywhere... just show me where you answered or provide an answer!

It’s a simple question that just needs a simple answer!!

It is interesting that Palestinians frame the Arab/Israeli conflict in terms of Muslim versus Jew.

What are you thoughts on this matter, if you have any thoughts on it?

Yes i do... and i promise i will give you my thoughts on it once you answer my question directly!! Its only fair, thats how conversations and debates work... you can’t expect to just ignore someone’s question (or avoid answering it yourself by providing photo and links) and expect them to answer your own questions... thats just rude.

Just in case you have forgotten...

"Is it right or wrong to keep children in leg irons??"

reply to post by Azadok2day


You still trying? Haven't you been thoroughly debunked yet or you want another intellectual ass-kicking?

Just give up man. Your attempt to derail this thread has been squashed and your points completely disproven.

reply to post by Xcathdra


Interested in discussing the topic? You are kidding right? Did you miss the multiple posts where we state, quite clearly, that we abhor putting hoods and chains on children no matter the reason?

Oh that's right, you were too busy helping to derail the thread to notice.

Originally posted by Muckster
Sorry but who's Xcathdra? I wasn’t talking to Xcathdra... i was talking to YOU!!

Me and I answered it twice now, as well as the other poster that you are trying to ignore.

Please spend more time reading and less time going in circles because you cant refute the facts. While that tactic may work with those who face death for exercising independent thought, it wont fly in the thread.

reply to post by Xcathdra


How is he trying to ignore the other poster when he is addressing him in the post? And no, the person he asked the question of did not adequately answer the question.

reply to post by Muckster

It is interesting that Palestinians frame the Arab/Israeli conflict in terms of Muslim versus Jew.

What are you thoughts on this matter, if you have any thoughts on it?

Did he say that?

The Palestinian couldn't careless about what religion zionist claim as their own; they simply want them out of their land.

Really, the people give very little concern or interest about the Jewish religion which they consider archaic, ossified and priest heavy.

The Palestinian view their struggles as a nationalist one and about self determination.

The religion issue is only peddled by zionists to alienate Christians from the Palestinian cause.

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

Interested in discussing the topic? You are kidding right? Did you miss the multiple posts where we state, quite clearly, that we abhor putting hoods and chains on children no matter the reason?

Oh that's right, you were too busy helping to derail the thread to notice.

edit on 28/6/2012 by Kryties because: (no reason given)

Yes the topic... Including the portions that were pinted out and highlighted that states nothing could be confirmed.

Any reason you and the others are ignoring that tidbit? You are trying to pass it off as fact when in fact its not. Secondly I find it humorous that you and the others attack western media sources when info doesnt suit your needs while accepting those same sources when it does.

How long are you guys going to continue to lie in this thread by stating the claims in the OP article are fact?

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Azadok2day

 

You still trying? Haven't you been thoroughly debunked yet or you want another intellectual ass-kicking?
Just give up man. Your attempt to derail this thread has been squashed and your points completely disproven.

Frst off you have not debunked me or proven any point contrary to my statements . So we understand one another I have no problems with the Arab peoples and others who ascribe to Islam . I find their Quran the to be the opposite of the bible when it comes to end times eschatology . I truly believe that their Mahadi and Issa their version of Jesus is what the book of Daniel , Revelations and other prophets warned us of . I believe the Muslims are being used by Satan and I pray that their eyes will open to the truth .

The fact is if they try to leave their religion that can be killed for it so many that do realize that the Christ of Christianity is God are to scared to follow him . Sad it really is .

Originally posted by Kryties
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

How is he trying to ignore the other poster when he is addressing him in the post? And no, the person he asked the question of did not adequately answer the question.

Yes - he did, as did I. Asking for an answer time and again when its already been answered is right up there with making false claims about the information contained in the op article by ignoring those words that dont support his argument (or yours and others for that matter.

Their shocking report Children in Military Custody details claims that youngsters are dragged from their beds in the middle of the night, have their wrists bound behind their backs, and are blindfolded and made to kneel or lie face down in military vehicles.

The team – led by Sir Stephen Sedley, a former Court of Appeal judge – heard that "every Palestinian child is treated like a potential terrorist".

"We were sitting in court and saw a section of a preliminary hearing when a very young looking child, a boy, was brought in wearing a brown uniform with leg irons on.

"To hold children routinely and for substantial periods in solitary confinement would, if it occurred, be capable of amounting to torture," the report said.

While the legal team said it was in no position to prove the truth of the claims of cruelty made repeatedly by Palestinian children, but denied by the Israeli authorities – which offered unprecedented access to the delegation – it pointed to the disparity in the law.

Last night, Israeli Embassy spokesperson Amir Ofek said the country appreciated the efforts of the delegation but blamed Palestinians who "glorify terrorism". He said: "As a result [children] are frequently involved in lethal acts. With the Palestinian Authority unable or unwilling to meet its obligation to investigate and prosecute these offences, Israel has no choice but to do so itself.

The report details claims children are dragged from their beds, bound and blindfolded

reply to post by Xcathdra


I certainly don't believe the Israelis gave 'unprecedented access' to verify the claims. Of course they are going to hide their crimes from people investigating them.

Israels track record of genocide and violence is what makes me believe this claim, I realise its still a claim but I also realise that it will be a cold day in hell before Israel ever admits to their crimes.

reply to post by Xcathdra


If and when these claims are proven to be true, you're going to feel pretty damn bad about it aren't you? Those poor bloody children, what absolute monsters who would do this to them.

reply to post by Azadok2day


You are clearly biased in your point of view toward Muslims.

You should check to see what the Queen James version of the Bible you love so much says about tolerance for other religions, and torturing children.

Oh, wait.....

Originally posted by Kryties
I certainly don't believe the Israelis gave 'unprecedented access' to verify the claims. Of course they are going to hide their crimes from people investigating them.

Your hypocrisy and arrogance is impressive. So you will accept information when it suits your needs and ignore any information contained in the same source you use that doesn't.

Please explain and justify that (if you can but I doubt it).

Originally posted by Kryties
Israels track record of genocide and violence is what makes me believe this claim, I realise its still a claim but I also realise that it will be a cold day in hell before Israel ever admits to their crimes.

edit on 28/6/2012 by Kryties because: (no reason given)

Im not sure how you can claim to not be biased when its in every post you make. Nothing in the OP source, the source you are basing your argument off of, is confirmed. I find it funny, sad and hypocritical that you dismiss the Israeli access claims while ignoring the fact the PAlestinian side of the article never bothered to give them any access at all.

Nothing in the article is confirmed...

As soon as the UK feels they have the audacity to take the moral high ground on any given matter pertaining to humanity, welfare, wellbeing and altruistic motives, the words 'hypocrisy' and 'liar' come to mind.
'Ethical Foreign Policy' as inherited from 'New Labour'?
How many dead children in Syria?
Result?
All talk, no substance. Not in our political interests. Yet.
Why don't we take on Zimbabwe (still part of the Commonwealth I believe,) if we feel so seriously about injustice and child abuse/manipulation/etc?
We are far from having the moral high ground to accuse Israel of anything we haven't done/supported/are supporting already.
Screw MSM, we have blood on our hands that we don't care to think/talk about.
UK HYPOCRISY............

reply to post by Xcathdra


I don't care quite frankly. I believe the claims for what they are given what I know of Israels track record. As I said before in this thread, I will eat my foot and post it on ATS if I am wrong. I asked whether you would do the same if you are proven wrong....I note you deftly avoided answering that question btw.

Keep up with the intimidating, all-knowing tone though mate, it's showing you up for who you really are.

Originally posted by Kryties
If and when these claims are proven to be true, you're going to feel pretty damn bad about it aren't you?

I have already stated, in my very first post in this thread, that we needed to get the entire story and go from there. Are you not capable of accepting that position? I am not sure why you feel compelled to put words in peoples mouths.

Originally posted by Kryties
Those poor bloody children, what absolute monsters who would do this to them.

edit on 28/6/2012 by Kryties because: (no reason given)

I agree as its apparent its a parenting and ideology issue.

I dont know how Hamas and other militant muslim groups can defile their own religion so blatantly.

Originally posted by Xcathdra

Originally posted by Muckster
Sorry but who's Xcathdra? I wasn’t talking to Xcathdra... i was talking to YOU!!

Me and I answered it twice now, as well as the other poster that you are trying to ignore.

Please spend more time reading and less time going in circles because you cant refute the facts. While that tactic may work with those who face death for exercising independent thought, it wont fly in the thread.

Sorry but what kind of madness is this?!?! I was talking to ollncasino... i was asking him/her a direct question about his/her own personal feelings on an issue. So how can YOU answer?!?! Are you married or something?

Even you didn’t answer it directly... just said that because the UN says its ok it must be! Well if the UN said its ok to eat babies would that make it alright?

I didnt mean to be rude by ignoring you... but ATS is not the only thing in my life and i'm very busy today... so i am trying to keep my debate focussed. Had ollncasino answered directly in the first place i could have moved on and maybe addressed you sooner. But instead i have seen nothing but avoidance and that’s frustrating. I just want a straight answer to an issue that is central to this thread!

From your heart... is it ok to keep children in leg irons?

And just in case you go down the whole “un says its alright” route... please keep in mind that the child, in leg irons, was IN court... not on a plane or being transported!