Gene Kranz's Remarkable Self Incriminating Gaffe, The Storied Ship, " Fraudulent Apollo 13 "

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
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What time was the headline printed, and what time was Lovell photographed reading it?

Those are two really good questions that immediately came to my mind. Additionally, more specifically, what time does Lovell step onto the deck of the Iwo Jima and what time does he leave the ship?

You don't know those?? Really??

Apollo 13 timeline:

Crew aboard recovery ship. 143:40 18:53 17 Apr 1970
CM aboard recovery ship. 144:23 19:36 17 Apr 1970
Crew departed recovery ship for Samoa and then Hawaii. 167:07 18:20 18 Apr 1970
Crew arrived in Hawaii. 199:22 02:35 19 Apr 1970

Times are GMT

If Hollywood can re-write the past then so can we, decisively

When Ron Howard made his Apollo 13 movie (1995) he was mythologizing. He made a film that doesn't mention Richard Nixon or the Vietnam War. Ron Howard created his own narrative! What a Hollywood hoaxer!

Budget: $62,000,000 (estimated)
Opening Weekend: $200,645 (USA) (22 September 2002) (18 Screens)
Gross: $334,100,000 (Worldwide)

source www.imdb.com...

Here is a movie review from 1995 that notices Ron Howard's historically distorted myth movie :

There are subtler factors at work in Howard's movie, too. While remaining true to the nuts and bolts of the story and successfully creating suspense out of a real-life scenario to which everyone knows the ending, Apollo 13 also cannily doles out the comforts of nostalgia. The first voice we hear in the movie is that of beloved Uncle Walter (Cronkite, that is), and the first time we see Tom Hanks as astronaut Jim Lovell, he's driving a sleek 1970 Corvette. Conspicuous in their absence are the Vietnam War (never mentioned) and then President Richard Nixon (never mentioned by name). Howard places the Apollo 13 mission (which was yawned at by the media until a blown oxygen tank placed its crew in danger) in something of an historical vacuum. Source www.ew.com...

I do not need to do this but I will say it again : NASA doesn't own our history. For 40 years they have carefully constructed an almost faultless historical narrative about Nixon's Apollo. But when we scratch the surface, it seems to me, that there has been a 40-year long dedicated effort to write, revise and to control the historical narrative.


That time is now over.

Good on you, decisively.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

What time was the headline printed, and what time was Lovell photographed reading it?

Those are two really good questions that immediately came to my mind. Additionally, more specifically, what time does Lovell step onto the deck of the Iwo Jima and what time does he leave the ship?

You don't know those?? Really??

Apollo 13 timeline:

Crew aboard recovery ship. 143:40 18:53 17 Apr 1970
CM aboard recovery ship. 144:23 19:36 17 Apr 1970
Crew departed recovery ship for Samoa and then Hawaii. 167:07 18:20 18 Apr 1970
Crew arrived in Hawaii. 199:22 02:35 19 Apr 1970

Times are GMT

Let's tread carefully on the timezones, shall we? I'm sure that none of us want to make simple mistakes with the time zones and I'm sure you feel the very same way. Let's just examine the facts, the time zones and construct a real, working narrative for Apollo 13, from splashdown, to setting foot on the deck, and to Nixon's phone call with the astronauts on the Iwo Jima.

On April 17, 1970, at 2:39 PM, Richard Nixon spoke, by telephone from the White House, to the Apollo 13 astronauts while they were onboard the USS Iwo Jima. That's Eastern Time, UCT -5. Source

It looks like Lovell stepped off the helicopter at 1936 GMT and he was on the phone with Nixon just 3 minutes after he set his foot on the carrier deck.

Ron Howard's myth movie totally ignores the fact that the astronauts met Richard Nixon at the Honolulu International Airport on April 18, 1970. This is a very dangerous movie because it lulls the viewer into a completely FALSE NARRATIVE of Apollo 13.

Nixon steps off the plane, makes a speech, awards the Medals of Freedom to the Apollo 13 crew, and in less than half an hour (27 minutes, according to the Secret Service diary) he is motoring toward his Kahala Resort hotel room.

Here is my source material:

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Yep - seems perfectly fine to me.

What's the problem?

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

Ron Howard's myth movie totally ignores the fact that the astronauts met Richard Nixon at the Honolulu International Airport on April 18, 1970. This is a very dangerous movie because it lulls the viewer into a completely FALSE NARRATIVE of Apollo 13.

its a hollywood movie... its not a documentary, what do you expect??

he also directed MOVIES such as frost/nixon, The Da Vinci Code, Angels & Demons and how the grinch stole christmas.. are these also very dangerous?? or do you fail to see the purpose of movies?

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Why does the Ground Elapsed Time go ahead 32 hours 15 minutes while the GMT time goes ahead 8 hours 15 minutes?

Crew departed recovery ship for Samoa and then Hawaii. 167:07 18:20 18 Apr 1970
Crew arrived in Hawaii. 199:22 02:35 19 Apr 1970

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Why does the Ground Elapsed Time go ahead 32 hours 15 minutes while the GMT time goes ahead 8 hours 15 minutes?

Crew departed recovery ship for Samoa and then Hawaii. 167:07 18:20 18 Apr 1970
Crew arrived in Hawaii. 199:22 02:35 19 Apr 1970

Somebody typed something wrong??

I'm sure you think it's a problem that proves a fraud tho, so perhaps you would like to step us through the sequence of reasoning from this apparent error to the slam dunk of fraud.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

Yep - seems perfectly fine to me.

What's the problem?

It's not really a problem but merely an observation. Lovell stepped off helicopter #66, he waves, he salutes, and he's on the phone to Richard Nixon within 3 minutes of stepping onto the deck of the Iwo Jima.

Nixon then flies like a banshee to Houston (reads message a from the Pope) and then on to Hawaii to spend a total of 27 minutes with the Apollo 13 winners of the Medal of Freedom on the tarmac at Honolulu International Airport. Meanwhile 747 American's died in Viet Nam in April of 1970. Who's kidding who?

In 12 days, Nixon will go on Tv to tell America that he's invading Cambodia.



Do you really believe in Ron Howard's historical Apollo vacuum chamber where Richard Nixon is not even mentioned and the Viet Nam war doesn't exist?

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

Yep - seems perfectly fine to me.

What's the problem?

It's not really a problem but merely an observation. Lovell stepped off helicopter #66, he waves, he salutes, and he's on the phone to Richard Nixon within 3 minutes of stepping onto the deck of the Iwo Jima.

Nixon then flies like a banshee to Houston (reads message a from the Pope) and then on to Hawaii to spend a total of 27 minutes with the Apollo 13 winners of the Medal of Freedom on the tarmac at Honolulu International Airport. Meanwhile 747 American's died in Viet Nam in April of 1970. Who's kidding who?

Did you mean to make some connection between the deaths in Vietnam & the return of Apolo 13?

'cos at he moment I think you're kidding everyone else.

What is your actual reasoning for thinking there is some significant connection?
"Who's kidding who?" isn't anything except innuendo.

In 12 days, Nixon will go on Tv to tell America that he's invading Cambodia.

Do you really believe in Ron Howard's historical Apollo vacuum chamber where Richard Nixon is not even mentioned and the Viet Nam war doesn't exist?

Ron Howard made a movie about Apollo 13 - it concentrated on Apollo 13 - so what?

Again you are short on connection and long on innuendo.

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It is getting desperate for them look decisively thinks tom hanks is a pop star

These talent free pop artists Tom Hanks

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In 12 days, Nixon will go on Tv to tell America that he's invading Cambodia.

Sounds like he had more important things on his plate than making JFK's vision come true.

Originally posted by DJW001
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In 12 days, Nixon will go on Tv to tell America that he's invading Cambodia.

Sounds like he had more important things on his plate than making JFK's vision come true.

Maybe we should all take the time (17 minutes) to review the true history when JFK expressed his real vision in his famous speech at Houston, Texas at Rice University. -John F. Kennedy, Rice University, Sept. 12, 1962

The space program promises $1 billion to the Texas economy. It will cost of .50c per week for every man, woman and child in the United States. 436 days later, JFK gets his head blown off in Dallas, Texas.

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Right - so....not satisfied with not answering questions about what is the problem wit the timeline of Nixon & Lovell, you now introduce yet more innuendo of no substance to further...er....to further......well to further what exactly??

Are you posts supposed to be achieving something, or are you showing off your ability to not make a point??

reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

Did you mean to make some connection between the deaths in Vietnam & the return of Apolo 13?

Yes I did. Are you too naive to understand that the President would use the Apollo program propaganda to manipulate the emotions of the American people? Nixon proved, with his Checkers speech, that he is a master of manipulation.

Oh, by the way, Nixon flew to Honolulu to give the Apollo 13 astronaut the Medals of Freedom when it turns out that 747 Americans were going to die in Viet Nam that month of April 1970. He gave two speeches on April 18th, 1970. One speech in Houston, where he read the text of a message from the POPE. Sig Sjoberg even thanked God. Then another speech in Honolulu (the same day) where he spent a total of 27 minutes with the Apollo 13 crew.

The Apollo 13 drama was a Tv teleplay. And Nixon went on Tv later for more teleplay. He said on April 20th, 1970 that he was removing 150,000 troops from Viet Nam. And 2 weeks later he uses Tv again as propaganda for the American people. He tells them that he is expanding the war in Viet Nam into Cambodia, April 30, 1970.

You simply cannot divide the Apollo moon "landings" from Nixon's presidential legacy. History does not allow that!

NASA doesn't own the past. They have tried so hard to own it and control it!

That time is over.

Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

Right - so....not satisfied with not answering questions about what is the problem wit the timeline of Nixon & Lovell, you now introduce yet more innuendo of no substance to further...er....to further......well to further what exactly??

Are you posts supposed to be achieving something, or are you showing off your ability to not make a point??

I try to be a pure historian, I have no loyalty to any ideas or any final outcomes. Since I am not dedicated to either side in the Apollo discussion I am free to take what ever position necessary to elicit the truest narratives from the widest base of consensus, in this case, ATS.

There are a lot of people here on ATS who like to stick with the scriptures, the NASA books, and rely on these publications and images, as absolute proof. When I point out that Richard Underwood was the first person to work with, develop and look at the Apollo images, he becomes a key figure in the Apollo narrative. Doesn't he?

Add the fact that Richard Underwood is C I A , well , it seems, that the Apollo program and NASA might have more than one "spook" running around in the system during the Nixon Apollo film festival 1969-1972.

What I find most intriguing is this anal outrage and vitriolic discharge from the Apollo defenders whenever the official narrative is questioned. It is a symptom of mental distress that can happen at anytime, to anybody. When the veracity of Apollo narratives is laid out there are still problems. After 40 years the lunar materials inventories are failing audits. Apollo astronauts are trotted out to Kuwait for USO morale tours. NASA doesn't have the technology to take clear pictures of any Apollo landing sites. Keep Out Zones. Well, the official narrative is falling under it's own weight. It is useless to try to save it.

And now we should all have a piece of cake.

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Yes I did. Are you too naive to understand that the President would use the Apollo program propaganda to manipulate the emotions of the American people? Nixon proved, with his Checkers speech, that he is a master of manipulation.

Then why couldn't he turn Watergate to his advantage?

Oh, by the way, Nixon flew to Honolulu to give the Apollo 13 astronaut the Medals of Freedom when it turns out that 747 Americans were going to die in Viet Nam that month of April 1970. He gave two speeches on April 18th, 1970. One speech in Houston, where he read the text of a message from the POPE. Sig Sjoberg even thanked God. Then another speech in Honolulu (the same day) where he spent a total of 27 minutes with the Apollo 13 crew.

If he knew how it was all going to turn out, why did he have to fly out there at the last minute? Why didn't he just "happen" to be at his California residence? That would have saved him five hours... he could have watched "The Godfather"in that time. Does thanking God when peoples'lives are saved make them bad? Who do you thank? Satan?

The Apollo 13 drama was a Tv teleplay. And Nixon went on Tv later for more teleplay. He said on April 20th, 1970 that he was removing 150,000 troops from Viet Nam. And 2 weeks later he uses Tv again as propaganda for the American people. He tells them that he is expanding the war in Viet Nam into Cambodia, April 30, 1970.

If reality is so easy to manipulate, why tell them anything at all?

You simply cannot divide the Apollo moon "landings" from Nixon's presidential legacy. History does not allow that!

Then how come every movie about Apollo starts with JFK's speech, but none of them ever show Nixon's phone call? And who is this History that tells us what we can or cannot do?

NASA doesn't own the past. They have tried so hard to own it and control it!

That time is over.

Yes, you have joined the growing League of Chess Playing Doctors. Good luck with that.

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

I try to be a pure historian, I have no loyalty to any ideas or any final outcomes. Since I am not dedicated to either side in the Apollo discussion I am free to take what ever position necessary to elicit the truest narratives from the widest base of consensus, in this case, ATS.

You are not dedicated to any final outcome? Are you implying that you are completely neutral and objective? How do you explain this language:

There are a lot of people here on ATS who like to stick with the scriptures

Dear sayonara...

Arent you forgetting the jobs it created over 400 000 jobs just for the programs alone
Space, a feel-good pill for the economy


Kennedy did his fantastic, stirring speech at Rice University, Houston about the challenge of landing man on the Moon and that the US would step up to the plate and “do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard.” It was a moment that defined the Space Race, it was a moment that laid the foundations of the Apollo Program and manned spaceflight as we know it.Amen apollo heros.

There’s no better example about how a space programme can influence a nation’s economy, the Apollo missions stimulated economic growth, they generated huge political strength, they created a whole generation of highly skilled engineers, scientists and specialists, they even motivated the educational system, enriching the children of the day. If you ever needed an all-in-one stimulus package, the Apollo Program was it.


OK, so the Apollo missions certainly boosted the US economy, education, quality of workforce and generally engaged the nation..

Originally posted by SayonaraJupiter
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Did you mean to make some connection between the deaths in Vietnam & the return of Apolo 13?

Yes I did. Are you too naive to understand that the President would use the Apollo program propaganda to manipulate the emotions of the American people? Nixon proved, with his Checkers speech, that he is a master of manipulation.

No I am not so naive as to believe manipulation does not exist.

But I am also not so gullible as to believe it happens just because you or someone else suspects it happened, and even less so when you do nothing but put up semingly unconnected "factoids" as if there were some connection and then fail to establish that connection.

My gullibility is then reduced to zero when you fail to answer the specific question "so what is the connection?" and instead put up further unconnected facts and start attacking me instead of discussing the history.

Your later claim to be a "pure historian" is debunked by this evidence that you favour innuendo and speculation.

sorry - dp