I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!

I believe it's about the nature of phospholipids. Instead of ordinary lipids, if the temperatures are done right, it becomes encapsulation. It is also an emulsion "of sorts" and for the % which is not encapsulated. It's not an ordinary emulsion as you can tell by the resulting texture; nothing like mayonnaise.

I bought the Vitamin C Crystals from nowfoods, and made two batches already. But I heard that the form ascorbic acid is bad because it makes the body very acidic.. After I'm done with my ascorbic acid, I'm thinking about switching to magnesium ascorbate.

www.provident-living-today.com...

What is the difference between ascorbic acid vitamin C and vitamin C ascorbate? In your body’s pH, you need to be more alkaline than acidic to maintain good health. If you are acidic you are more prone to sickness and disease. When you are more alkaline and eat alkaline foods your body is more resistant to sickness and disease.

So in relation to vitamin C there are 2 main forms of vitamin C.
an ascorbate = alkaline
an ascorbic acid = acidic

When you take an ascorbate form it makes your body more alkaline. When you take an acidic form you make your body more acidic. If you are taking an acidic form every few hours you are then making your body more acidic, allowing you to become more prone to sickness which is counter-productive to staying healthy and taking vitamin c in the first place.

By taking an ascorbate form you are then making your body more alkaline, thus making it more resistant to sickness!

Maybe C-SALTS is a better form of vitamin c, I still have to do more research..

reply to post by Perseverance

That's a potentially good idea. I just wonder if those C-Salts can be entirely dissolved and encapsulated in the liposomes.

Just wanted to add that I do a glass of water with Apple Cider Vinegar in the evening, which makes the body more alkaline surprisingly. Gives a good affect to balance out any acidity from Lipo-C.

Let me know how the Alakaline Vit C works out for you. If everything goes with that then I will give it a go as well

If you use a mineral chelate form of ascorbic it will separate because they do not completely dissolve in water.

Ascorbic acid is indeed more acidic than mineral chelates. However, for the small % of AA which remains outside of your encapsulation, you could simply add some baking soda to your completed formula, and buffer that yourself.

RC

Edited to add: and really, you need to consider that you're mixing different things here. Discussions on the type of C best for taking normally-orally are unrelated to discussions on the type of C best for creating a lipospheric encapsulation. This thread is specific to lipospheric C. You create confusion, and actually render moot over 100 pages of discussion, by obviously not reading any of it and then starting all over again on an only peripherally related topic.

Here's me update...
I saw someone I haven't seen in 6 or more months on Friday.
They said this was the calmest(anxiety) & most focused conversation in 2 yrs.
I told her about starting the Liposomal Vit C in March & how it has greatly
improved my life in so many ways. She is now interested & I just started
sending her information. She wants to do her dogs as well.

I just met with my surgeon on Thurs & inquired about taking my own vitamins.
I told him that I made my own Liposomal Vit C & that I needed to continue while
I was in the hospital (Total Hip replacement). He had never heard of it but was
aware of high dosing Vit C & the benefits & he said he would make sure the staff
was aware & that I would be allowed to have my LET C.

On the wait list for 27 Aug...I know the LET C will boost me recovery!

RC I have the same unit & make 4 cups at a time...do it all at once & never any
separation. I also add the Sodium Bicarb...so the taste is never sour & it is consistent.
Thank you for your early post as I upped my dose for anxiety & couldn't find info prior to yours except for a blurb from Julie Washington's mum's doctor.
So thank you for the dosages in relations to significant problems!

Cheers
Ektar

I apologize about that..

it's unfortunate that C-Salts can not be dissolved and encapsulated. I will give the apple cider vinegar a try.

Overall what an amazing thing to keep our bodies healthy. I will forever keep making my own liposomal vitamin c. Thanks for making this thread!

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I Hope so, I just ordered one LOL.

Burned out the HF model I already owned on batch 4
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I know it's 6 months old.

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Using the ascorbate form will go around that little inconvenience.

I read the thread till about page 15 so sorry if this has already been answered.

Regarding the question of why we would need more vitamin C than from an orange if thats how nature designed us etc.

Short answer: Nature isn't perfect and neither are we.

Long answer: I read Linus Pauling and Irwin Stone's Vitamin C books about 7 years back... the numbers might be off but the gist of all the different arguments are as follows:
Most animals make their own vitamin C by converting glucose to vitamin C with the help of 5 enzymes. In humans, apes and guinea pigs the last enzyme is missing, so we can't do it. The animals that CAN make it, make lots of it, and make a lot more if they get sick - a rat can make the human equivalent of 20-30 grams of Vitamin C in a short time if it falls sick.

Humans have an increased need for vitamin C during times of sickness/stress as well. This is evidenced by the amount ingestable till diarrhea sets in. Joe Blow takes just 2 grams by mouth every day. If he takes 3, the body refuses to absorb it and it goes down to the bowels and causes diarrhea. But if Joe Blow got sick, magically, he can take 5 or even 10 or 20 grams before diarrhea sets in. His body needs more.

Big Question: Why gram sized amounts when an orange only has about 60mg?
Answer:
Because, unlike other vitamins, vitamin C wasn't really meant as a food based vitamin, but rather as an endogenously produced vitamin by the body.
The hypothesis is, once upon a time Man was just like the other animals making his own vitamin C endogenously. But he lived in dense jungles with plenty of Vitamin C rich foods as a staple. As these things go, any individual man who evolved to not produce vitamin C from glucose stores and rather, rely on outside sources would have a energetic advantage over his peers... and gradually the genetic mutation spread through the genepool.
Unfortunately for us, we grew big brains and left the jungles... and suffered reduced lifespans and death ever since. An evolutionary quirk did us in.

To round it off: Is liposomal Vitamin C better than just taking normal Vitamin C by mouth till just before Diarrhea hits?
Answer: No clue, its debatable either way.

Im going to buy me a box of Liposomal C and see if it has a huge effect on me. One benefit I can think of is as its based on lipid absorption, liposomal C would not compete with glucose for absorption in the gastrointestinal tract so it will always have high bioavailability, whereas normal Vitamin C will only have high absorption taken away from starchy/carby meals.

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Regarding the question of why we would need more vitamin C than from an orange if thats how nature designed us etc.

cause what you get from an orange, only a small percentage gets into the bloodstream to work its magic. With the lipo c, you get 75-90% absorbability rate. Did you see the link of the guy who was on the verge of death and was saved through Lipo-C? If they fed him tons of oranges, it would not have helped him the way lipo C did. He's alive now and back working on the farm

To round it off: Is liposomal Vitamin C better than just taking normal Vitamin C by mouth till just before Diarrhea hits? Answer: No clue, its debatable either way.

I used to take the pill form of Vit C w/ rose hips, twice a day, still got sick during flu season, etc, etc. The Lipo-C is like night and day compared to the supplement pill form. Don't knock it til you try it. Old people are back on their feet dancing off this stuff. This thread went so long cause it's a HUGE hit with many ATS'ers who take it, can feel the huge boost, and swear by it. The stuff speaks for itself. Don't knock it til you try it.

Im going to buy me a box of Liposomal C and see if it has a huge effect on me. One benefit I can think of is as its based on lipid absorption, liposomal C would not compete with glucose for absorption in the gastrointestinal tract so it will always have high bioavailability, whereas normal Vitamin C will only have high absorption taken away from starchy/carby meals.

That's why there's a huge difference. Night and day.

I think the only people who haven't felt much difference is the perfectly healthy young bucks who have tried it, except to notice more alertness, less fatigue, longer durability physically

Well, having taken it now for most of a year or so, I can verify that it is a phenomenal substance. I have ran out several times due to running out of ascorbic acid, and going back to my normal pre lipo C self, and the difference is night and day.

I feel better, my thought process is very much more clear and concise, I have been able to keep a regular exercise regimen which has resulted in my gaining a lot of muscle mass like I had fifteen years ago simply by doing 150-200+ pushups a day.

My hair is shiney and healthy looking and has regained a lot of the brown/golden highlights it had when I was a young man. My fingernails are much less prone to breaking and cracking and need clipped much more often.

One of the best benefits is a more personal one, but one I feel needs mentioning regardless. I used to lose a LOT of blood when using the bathroom. Docs said it is due to blood vessels close to the surface. Well that went on for 20+ years on a daily basis. No longer. It has disappeared completely and the improvement of simply keeping my blood in me makes a big difference. I also used to get regular nose bleeds that have also disappeared completely.

I used to be absolutely miserable without allergy meds. I have not bought any of those in over 6 months now and breath easily through my nose. I used to have a nagging cough from the bad allergies I had. The cough is gone completely and I breath without that annoying mucous rattle from the allergies.

My wife had bad menstrual cycles that are very painful. She said her pain and cramping is reduced to half and is now bearable and not nearly as bad for her. Her back pain and arthritis pain has improved greatly and seems to get better as we continue using this amazing substance.

My friend is a mixed martial artist and trains hard every day. I keep him in it and he goes thru a pint every 3-4 days and says it has made a huge difference in how hard he has to struggle with his exhausting workouts and has much quicker recovery time and is able to put more energy into the process resulting in improved strength and movement and flexibility. He said it is his secret weapon and has not shared it with any of his MMA friends.

All in all this stuff has changed several people's lives. I would forego the boxed stuff as you will not be able to get the bigger doses without paying thru the nose. It WILL help you, and it is well worth the effort and initial investment.

One piece of advise, invest from the start in a high quality ultrasonic machine. You will wear out the cheaper ones in a month or two, because you will stick with this stuff. I know it sure helps my wife and myself very much.

I know I have said it a few times before but thanks Dominicus! This has been a real game changer for us.

I've had a really serious problem with fatigue for a long time now. I don't necessarily feel energetic since the C, and my dosage varies a lot (I didn't take any today, have stuff prepped to make tonight so I can take tomorrow), but the difference it's making in my life is a lot more apparent when I kind of back-up-perspective and consider it.

I have accomplished more in terms of personal activity (even just shopping or cleaning), and in terms of new-projects, new-interests and studies and experiments, since I started C, then any period of time x10 of that in the last few years. I've gotten several projects done in the house I'd wanted to for eons and am working on more. I'm not always the person doing all the work, but the fact that I'm "interested and motivated" to notice my environment more and make change more is a big sign of energy for me even though it is not quite to the leaping-about level.

Not to mention I've been a lot more calm-patient-good humored, which has had great results both for social and spiritual stuff. So it's not always a major thing that I can say about any given day but the overall result on my life is really, really good. My teen has more than once instantly noticed that I haven't taken as much or have missed a day, she says I'm quite different with a good dose of it than without (to her, vastly better), and I suspect this indicates that there is really something going on, that someone else can tell the difference even more than I can. I think even subtle elements I don't notice must be present, given that.

Originally posted by AuranVector
1. To one (1) cup of cool distilled water add 3 level Tablespoons of granular non-genetically modified [non-GMO] soy lecithin. Soak for at least 30 minutes, until all the granules have softened into a slimy mass. Hot water is NOT necessary for this step if you have pre-soaked the granules or are using a lecithin syrup.
Or use about 2- 3 TBsp of the preferred raw Sunflower lecithin syrup.

Thanks Auran!

One question though... is it really necessary to 'soak' the liquid sunflower lecithin for 30 minutes? I mean, it is already liquid, so ... ?

Originally posted by tanstaafl

Originally posted by AuranVector
1. To one (1) cup of cool distilled water add 3 level Tablespoons of granular non-genetically modified [non-GMO] soy lecithin. Soak for at least 30 minutes, until all the granules have softened into a slimy mass. Hot water is NOT necessary for this step if you have pre-soaked the granules or are using a lecithin syrup.
Or use about 2- 3 TBsp of the preferred raw Sunflower lecithin syrup.

Thanks Auran!

One question though... is it really necessary to 'soak' the liquid sunflower lecithin for 30 minutes? I mean, it is already liquid, so ... ?

You'd be surprised!!!! I didn't think it was necessary when I first started over a year ago, but then realized tbere was separation in the final end result.

But after soaking over night, i get a uniform end result, which is the same case for most here. If you don't believe its necessary, then experiment for yourself and see what happens

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Originally posted by crankyoldman
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Ummm wrong thread.... maybe delete if you still have time.

Originally posted by 2serious
I'm wondering if MSM is even more effective with the C & lecithin. Fantastic!

Thanks for this 2serious!

I had asked a few months ago on the Yahoo Lip list about using this method for MSM, but never got a reply. I was thinking of emailing Brooks Bradley directly, but imagine he's a bit busy to answer one-off questions like this.

A larger more generic question I've been wondering is, what, exactly, are the distinguishing characteristics of certain things that make it a good candidate for liposomal encapsulation?

For example... vit C is water soluble... is that a primary factor?

Anyway, your post has inspired me to just try it and see what happens - although I'd love to hear from the more scientifically inclined members about this - especially with what may be the optimal amount of MSM to use in a typical Lipo-C formula.

Thanks again!

Charles

Originally posted by 2serious
I'm wondering if MSM is even more effective with the C & lecithin. Fantastic!

Just wanted to add a request - has anyone else tried adding MSM to their Lipo-C batches?

MSM is a fantastic substance in its own right, and I'm really psyched about the possibility that it can be encapsulated as well... like regular c, to reach therapeutic levels, you must take a *lot*, so I'd love to be able to do both of these in the same shot glass (so to speak)...

Originally posted by CarolynC
I'm a chemist. The normal way that an ultrasonic cleaner/bath is used in a chemical reaction is to place the solution being sonicated into a glass container, put it in the bath and fill the bath with water up to about the level of the liquid in the glass container. That way, the solution of interest stays clean (i.e., no metal from the sonicator) and the sonicator tank stays clean, too. The ultrasonic bath in my lab is almost 25 years old and has never had anything in its main tank except water. The ultrasonic waves from the water readily transfer to any solution inside a glass container.

Hi Carolyn,

Thanks *very* much for this... the biggest thing bothering me about all of this was putting the liquid directly into a metal container, when all of the instructions are adamant about not even using a metal spoon to stir with.

This way seems much 'cleaner' to me.

Also, it made me think of something... is pure silver ok to use as a stirrer?

The reason I ask is, there is a colloidal silver maker called a 'Silver Puppy', that has a lid with a stirrer built into the top (lid that screws onto a mason jar). The stirrer actually uses the silver probes both to stir with for making the colloidal silver.

Hmmm... I know I could attach something else to the lid to stir with (wooden or plastic sticks), but taking this a step further (I'm just thinking out loud) - could you actually make colloidal silver at the same time you are sonicating? And would the silver colloid particles actually end up being encapsulated?