I make my own liposomal vit C. This stuff is frickin AMAZING!!!!!

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Hey RedCairo....

Just to say I like your budding drug lord chemistry set....

Thanks for making this thread, I did one batch but didn't seem to get the energetic symptoms. On my next batch I will try your method. I will try to give some to my family but they look at me like I'm crazy for some reason.. I have also told my friends about this from all the great benefits of this incredible vitamin. I actually gave some to one of my friends but I don't think he got the energetic symptoms either, and probably thought I was kidding when this stuff gives you great energy. Hopefully everything goes great next time. Thanks again for everything!

I didn't get energy from it either. It's just that when I motivate myself to get up and DO anything, my body seems vastly more competent to do it, without the overwhelming fatigue. More like it is just more competent and deals better with whatever energy and strength I do have. - RC

Originally posted by RedCairo
Julie I'm curious, do you think cortisol readings could be spiked by this?

I'd read one study where cortisol output fell 40% when a lot of C was added to intake, and it turns out that cortisol also functions as an antioxidant. The body can't ramp up C, but as a sort of compensation, it can ramp up cortisol to help make up for at least that one (of so many) elements of not having enough C. So high cortisol and adrenal fatigue could actually relate to chronically low C levels. So I'd suggested to a friend she try Lipo-C as she has cortisol issues. She measures this through the day. However the instant she began taking Lipo-C the readings went crazy and it freaked her out so she dropped the lipo.

I've been thinking that it would have to be one of two things. The first possibility: Dr. Carey Reams did comment on some situations where suddenly supercharging a previously deficient organ such as the pancreas could initially cause a lot of extra insulin output -- for a short time -- his concern wasn't the insulin but the crash into hypoglycemia that tended to follow. He said it resolved on its own but had to be watched. The second possibility: that something about the C in the system was actually affecting the cortisol readings.

RC

This is the first thing I've heard about anything related to Cortisol, so I have no idea. I'll try a little research, but at least open this up to everyone else in the thread to see if anyone else knows anything.


ALSO: Regarding the "energy boost" some are having an others are not - I would say for me personally, it's not really and "energy boost" - it's more subtle than that. It's more a feeling of "I don't feel like sitting around doing nothing, and really feel like getting something done." Seems like a "procrastination" inhibitor. More of a mind thing.

However, it does help physically a lot. Because I can toil in the yard all day and not be sore. Before when I worked hard in the yard for a couple of hours I would be wiped out the entire next day. Now... nothing. Not even sore after working 4-5 hours in the day and feel absolutely great the next day.

reply to post by Julie Washington


RedCairo,

How does your friend test for cortisol? Is this a home test or a doctor test?

Originally posted by Julie Washington
ALSO: Regarding the "energy boost" some are having an others are not - I would say for me personally, it's not really and "energy boost" - it's more subtle than that. It's more a feeling of "I don't feel like sitting around doing nothing, and really feel like getting something done." Seems like a "procrastination" inhibitor. More of a mind thing.

However, it does help physically a lot. Because I can toil in the yard all day and not be sore. Before when I worked hard in the yard for a couple of hours I would be wiped out the entire next day. Now... nothing. Not even sore after working 4-5 hours in the day and feel absolutely great the next day.

That is a great way to put it. Right.

I have more experience than average in dealing with energy issues over the last decade, and I have noticed over the years and repeatedly that when I start picking up dietary improvements that lead to energy, there is a very predictable sequence of its development in my otherwise pretty sedentary life:

1. I start to become more interested in my surroundings. For example I will start to notice that the cupboard needs cleaned out and the bookshelf is a mess. Usually I'm mostly oblivious.

2. I start to become more energetic even while sitting. I want to listen to music, I 'bounce' my body or a leg more, very small levels of motion.

3. I start to become more creatively-constructive, which is to say, #1 and #2 combine to make me interested in 'projects.' Suddenly a new recipe, or cleaning something, or an experiment, are much more interesting to me and I find my "interest" in "doing something" growing.

4. I actually have the energetic push to get up and DO something in #3. This is a big catalyst point.

5. After that usually comes the actual "physical energy" as most people think of it, much more for daily life.

6. After that comes the 'extra' energy, the desire to truly exercise hard, to do very physical labor, etc.

Well that cycle isn't really "physical energy" until about 50% of the way into #4.

The lipo-C seems to take me about 20% of the way into #4. The rest is up to me and it still requires energy that I may not have, or 'gumption' to get up and do something I may have to psych myself up to first, and it may take awhile.

But when I DO something, "everything is easier." The ability to move and keep moving and recover from moving seems exponentially higher, not like I am stronger or have more energy, but as if "my body" is simply "more independently competent" to do what I'm asking it to do.


On the cortisol: she has a little home thing where she tests herself, it's not a lab.

RC

reply to post by RedCairo


RedCairo,

I suspect she is getting a false reading from her home test kit. I would have her do the Lip C and then get tested by the doctor.

This may be similar to the false glucose reading that some get with the home test kits. Its a problem with the home test kits. They don't test as accurate as the tests performed by the doctor.

I say this because she should not be getting a rise in cortisol from Vitamin C, it should be the opposite.

Originally posted by Julie Washington
reply to post by RedCairo

 

RedCairo,

I suspect she is getting a false reading from her home test kit. I would have her do the Lip C and then get tested by the doctor.

This may be similar to the false glucose reading that some get with the home test kits. Its a problem with the home test kits. They don't test as accurate as the tests performed by the doctor.

I say this because she should not be getting a rise in cortisol from Vitamin C, it should be the opposite.

I would have to concur this. Vitamin c forces cortisol levels to drop. If her machines are saying that her cortisol levels are spiking, I would bet money that it is the machine which is messing up.

reply to post by Jaellma


Hello Jaellma and others here. Are you still using Lip. C for the skin?

Any more experience with that lately?

I just got a sunburn. I have treated it so far with coconut oil, manuka honey and vitamin E liquid.

I have received my Ultrasonic Cleaner.

Wonder if Sodium Ascorbate would be better than ascorbic acid for the skin?

I am not english so please excuse lack of perfection.

All for good!

:-)

I got the larger sonicator and did my first batch in it.

I ignored the (I'm sure good) advice to not do more than 2 batches (3 cups total) at a time in it since the entire point of buying the thing was to do a lot more at one time. And because I had two theories related to this:

(a) that the larger machine was also more powerful, and for good reason, to compensate for additional depth, and

(b) that I already sonicate for the twice the time most people do and if needed I could extend that. (Note: I have long (10-20 minute) resting periods between those to prevent overheating.)

The tank of the 2.5 liter machine holds up to 5 'batches' (which is basically 1.5 cups water plus your materials per batch, though I do my counts in grams not cups). You'd have to do at least 2 to make the 'minimum' line on the tank. Any more than 5 would take you over the maximum line.

I learned the hard way during my first cleaning cycles that you can't pour out a whole tank of anything without massive mess. If you dumped it abruptly enough to keep it from pouring down the side and bottom of the unit you'd splash it everywhere. So getting stuff out is best "taken" out until the well is half empty (such as with a measuring cup or something you can use to scoop it out and pour into your containers) and then it can be poured from the machine when there is less, without mess.

The larger unit has a lid that sets on, it is not attached, which is a lot more convenient for several reasons. One is that you can turn it and put it 'partially' on to allow more heat venting from the formula without having it completely uncovered (I like to drop cheesecloth over the top to prevent any bugs in summer -- the occasional fly in the house seems inevitable -- but if the tank is fully open it tends to dip into the fluid in the middle without a lot of bother with weighting bottom edges and such. The lid that can be turned so it's 'partly' covering the middle only is ideal). Another reason is that it makes it easier to pour stuff out of it if you aren't trying to hold the lid open at the same time.

I did the baking soda test:
1oz distilled water + 1.2g (according to my baking soda label for measure) mixed well
8oz of formula
Pour water/bs into formula, stir a few times and then let sit for about 30 seconds
Measure the depth of the foam on the surface of the fluid at that point

It was 1/8" or less so I think in terms of encapsulation it went ok.

Of course, the sonicator is not about encapsulation so much; the temperature and blend of the lecithin-water and ascorbic-water will do that if the lec temp is ~110 degrees F and the ascorbic is cold so it causes the temp to drop and the liposomes to form. (Curiously I don't much hear other people talk about the temperature issue which confuses me since this is how the lipospheric formation, to include encapsulation of its fluid medium, works.)

The sonicator is used to "beat up" (in a fruit-ninja game kind of way) the tiny lipospheres into ever-tinier-spheres (they re-form) because they need to be under 200 nanometers. Any larger and the liver will take them apart before sending the phospholipids out to the body for cell membranes and nerve sheaths. This is ok for the liver (it gets the ascorbic dumped into it when it takes the spheres apart), though it will likely reduce how much overall formula you can take without bowel effects (as it might increase the ascorbic that ends up in the digestive system), but is not good for the goal of getting the ascorbic to the tissues in the rest of the body (they have to get through the liver still encapsulated, and sent out into the body, to accomplish that).

I point this out to sort of play devil's advocate with myself and say that it is possible that the extremely low volume of formula recommended even for the bigger machine on the thread above may be correct and there is not actually any way to test for this. One can test encapsulation but you cannot test the size of the lipospheres without some science lab equipment most of us haven't got. I have a tendency to ignore good advice and learn the hard way on my own later and perhaps this is just another example.

For now I'm going to trust that there is still plenty of benefit to the larger batch until I get symptoms or signs otherwise.

The only problem with making it larger is you have to combine these ingredients in proportion in a blender, and I use my bullet high-speed blender rather than my big bar blender because it's a lot easier, but it's much smaller. That means arranging the lecithin-water soaking and mixed ascorbic-water in a number of cups each, so I can heat one lecithin cup and then pour the two together and blend, then dump that formula in the machine or a big container and do the next 'set' of materials, until it is complete and then I can do the full batch in the machine. In theory it would not be any more difficult to do smaller batches, it would simply take longer.

I have gradually learned the taste of this and can tell when something is more or less sour (to indicate less encapsulation %). On the whole this seemed to come out very well as made.

During the sonicating I took a picture of the well. Not real exciting, I know.



RC

Hi all,

I thought that I'd do an update while I'm brewing more Lip-C....

First....thanks to everyone who gave me advice when I was starting....

My little (1.35 litres) 60 Watt Optimus US Cleaner from Amazon.ca is working just fine....I live alone so the size proves perfect for my needs....I can take one or three or six oz whenever I feel the need or inclination....and still have more left....

It empties easily...just lift and pour into a larger measuring container...then pour into smaller containers for storage...(thanks for the tip, RedCairo)

I'm using Ascorbic Acid (Natural Factors) and Non GMO Soy Lecithin (Swanson) granules in the proportions of one TBSP Ascorbic Acid to three TBSPS granulated Lecithin....as per the Brooks Bradley protocol....with the 1.5 cup H2O for the lecithin....0.5 cup H2O for the VitC....

Brooks Bradley Lip-C Protocol

Sonicates nicely with little or no foam...and a "schmear" of lecithin on the bottom....

Effects:

Most everything is in transition so I guess it's still early days...(it's been about three weeks...)

My moods are stabilizing....and positively, for the most part...not as pronounced as others have noted but I see daylight....

The grinding fatigue is lifting...finally...!

Tho....my short term memory is shot today....when I try to "edit" this post to add something, I forget...by the time I get into the post....

I still need to take Pramiracetam for my irritability....haven't determined if that is from environmental exposures to chemicals or part of my transitioning with Lip-C....(both, I think)

Functional energy is returning...

I'm feeling smarter....

I'm looking more integrated...if that makes sense...as if I've been exercising diligently....which I haven't for a few weeks due to the exposure that exacerbated the psoriasis....

My skin is starting to look healthier....the Psoriasis is receding....glacially slow...this looks like a long term project....

I find myself wondering if I should be doubling or trebling the dosage until my system gets better....

The Lip-C has finished sonicating....minimal foam....and it doesn't taste bad at all...the Vit-C gets mostly Liposomed, it seems, so its not all that sour....

On the other hand, my blood glucose readings are consistently higher than I like to see...I'm scared to take Glyburide to counter the high readings because of the possibility of going into Hypoglycemic shock...the glucose readings are near normal until I take my morning dose....

Looks like its time to ramp up the Aerobic and Weight Training to lower the glucose readings...

I am going to forgo trying to Liposome CoQ10 or Idebenone because they are Lipid soluble....

Instead...I am going to try Liposoming Glutathione....though the thought of drinking a sulfurous concoction is....off putting, to say the least....but if it can heal the liver....it will smell like rosé water to me....

Has anybody tried DIY Liposomed Glutathione and made it past the purported 'aroma'...?...let me know your experience, please....

Time for an evening cocktail....

Later,

Tarasco

At this point I am taking 4oz-8oz at a time, anywhere from 1 to 4x a day. So it varies wildly. Now that I have the larger machine and don't have to make it constantly I'm hoping to get more consistent.

I have this big collection of powdered-white-substances from purebulk.com that I am finally starting to use for more than capping vitamins. After much figuring, related to how much of a given format of a mineral is the elemental mineral vs. the binder (e.g. depending on your form of calcium, magnesium, potassium, it will only be some % of the mineral), I made up about 16 doses of 'mineral powder' blend. Couple forms of potassium, about five forms of calcium, some magnesium, and then just a tiny bit of a variety of others. I got these tiny plastic lidded containers on amazon that are like what you would get a small container of salsa in at a take-out place that I put each in and labeled them. Then I did something similar with a variety of amino acids (I need to get a much larger spectrum of those, although collagen hydrolysate covers a nice range as a blend). This is when I discovered that most amino acids SMELL REALLY BAD. I have a hard time ingesting anything I find vile -- only some orange juice (OJ) just before/after lipo-C made it possible for me, though I admit I have gradually adapted to the taste of the lecithin. I didn't think I'd be able to find a way to choke down the container of aminos.

It turns out dumping either in a magic bullet blender cup with just a little bit of orange juice and then sucking it down as fast as possible (with a drink of OJ right before and after) makes it possible. On the downside I may be giving myself diabetes or something -- OJ is possibly the most high glycemic thing in my kitchen in years, short of some gluten-free mixes -- but it actually makes it possible to get stuff down my throat that I couldn't otherwise. The astonishing thing to me about the aminos was that I expected the taste to be hideous given the smells, and then it turned out it whipped up like an orange julius and actually just tasted sweet. I was surprised! So maybe if you find something to blend it in briefly you could do it that way.

I was having some mineral deficiency symptoms (muscle strain in my calves and achilles, aching feet when stepping out of bed in the morning - the latter is a C defiicency symptom I've heard) but yesterday after taking the first dose of minerals and aminos, I felt better by night, and today the symptoms are pretty well gone. I think I didn't take seriously enough the need to supplement if you're dosing C, since it's a metal (read: mineral) detox.

RC

Just a little tip for all of you who are having a hard time drinking anything gross down.

Take a very deep breath, then chug the stuff real fast and slowly begin to exhale through your mouth. Works like a charm.

reply to post by Tarasco


Tarasco -thanks for your update.

REMEMBER - your high glucose readings are FALSE readings. I recommend you take your reading before taking the Lipo-C.

reply to post by Julie Washington


Thank you Julie....problem is figuring out what the real glucose levels are...I don't know when the Lip-C effect is occurring so its difficult to find a base line...

Tell me Julie...didn't you mention Glutathione in a previous post(s)....?

I'm looking to buy some to start Liposoming Glutathione....have you found any quality/price deals...?

Best regards,
Tarasco

Originally posted by Tarasco
reply to post by Julie Washington

 

Thank you Julie....problem is figuring out what the real glucose levels are...I don't know when the Lip-C effect is occurring so its difficult to find a base line...

Tell me Julie...didn't you mention Glutathione in a previous post(s)....?

I'm looking to buy some to start Liposoming Glutathione....have you found any quality/price deals...?

Best regards,
Tarasco

Tarasco,

How often, when and how much Lipo-C are you taking?

The Lipo-C is supposedly out of your system in 2-3 hours.

How often do you check your glucose levels? Do you check it before you eat or drink anything in the morning? I would think that would be the best time to get a base reading. I'm not diabetic, but I know that when I go in for blood work, my doctor wants me to come in first thing in the morning before I've had anything to eat or drink so as not to interfere with any readings.

Also: I never did make any glutathione. I ordered some, but alas, it still sits in the cupboard.

I considered glutathione (still might) but since allegedly the lipo-C kicks up the body's glutathione by 50% plus helps 'recycle' it, I kinda figured that was mostly covered.

This weekend I'm experimenting to see the solubility of a variety of other things I intend to make lipospheric if I can, though.

So far the 'big batch' (full tank) I made of the C has been interesting. I had 4 doses (one 16oz canning jar) which was from the very bottom of the machine, and the rest is in these little 12oz brown bottles. The stuff from the canning jar seemed just like normal. But my teen and I had one of the jars this morning and holy cats it was acidic. This implies that

a) some portion of it (certainly what ended up in that bottle) fell out of encapsulation although that isn't visible. I say fell out because the initial blending process should encapsulate it, the machine just re-re-re-re-encapsulates it to smaller spheres.

b) at least so far the bottom is clearly vastly more encapsulated that some portion of the top.

The odd thing is, a difference in encapsulation SIZE should not affect taste. It would merely affect function when it got to the liver, and the liver took it apart locally rather than considering it small enough to send off to the other parts of the body as-is.

So I can't yet theorize that filling the well is responsible for this as even if it resulted in larger sphere size at different "layers" of the fluid, that wouldn't explain the lesser encapsulation.

Ironically I tested this and after a momentary flare, by the 30 second mark they recommend (actually even by 12), there was incredibly little foam.

All I can guess is that I did a poor job of mixing BEFORE the tank (varying encapsulation greatly in the original pre-sonicated formula) resulting in an extremely 'varied' formula even from the same batch.

RC

Just to add that I've tried one of the other bottles and, like the first double-bottle-sized jar, the formula is fine. I guess this suggests that there must have been 'layers' of different liposomal or sonification effects in the formula.

I think I will do one less batch (4 instead of 5) in the machine next time and see if I get that result in any of the output.

RC

reply to post by Bilk22


"Some questions from a non-chemist but rather a halfway decent cook. It appears what is being made here is an emulsion. Is the vitamin C actually being "encapsulated" or is it just in a viscous solution? "

It's an encapsulation in a lipid structure.

I know I'm new and I know this is a year old post but after reading 30 odd pages (out of 100+) I had to say something.
Made my 1st & 2nd batches yesterday.
Z

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Made my 1st & 2nd batches yesterday.

Let us know how the effects are for you. It's always interesting to hear first hand accounts. Although bu now, I've come to find that many of the are Universal fr most, if not many......