Updates - Answers from an Alien from Andromeda

reply to post by petrus4


This depends on your belief.

What you are talking about is intentional design of a body. So with that in mind, the scope of variables is limited to only your available knowledge.

However, if you ascribe to the evolutionary process, then the variables for body development under similar but not identical Earthlike conditions are limitless.

Unfortunately I see this as an apples versus oranges comparison.

Originally posted by alphabetaone
It seems the scales have tipped in media, on ATS, towards the direction of sensationalism, where once the onus was on the sensationalist to provide proof of their outlandish claims, now it seems that the burden of proof is on the critical thinkers; that we must prove something MAKES no sense rather than attempting to prove it does.

I'm sorry, but, when I make a claim and provide evidence that seems to support my hypthesis, only to have it dismissed out-of-hand by your "critical thinkers", I have t wonder how any of them are even capable of rudimentary thought. To dismiss evidence without evaluation, is not a "hallmark" of a "critical thinker".

Further, when that very same "critical thinker" accuses me of being a "hoax", a fraud, of having some mental illness or another, the burden of proof switches to the accuser. The only coment I can have to such a person is; "I've provided my evidence, where is yours?"

Etharzi od Oma

reply to post by AnthraAndromda



Because i have to go spend some time with my children this evening I'll have to leave the long drawn out response until morning, but suffice it to say i am A) not an idiot when it comes to genetic testing, as a twin it's always fascinated me, and moreso since i found out my children were disabled, finding the DNA markers that caused the disability has been a hobby of mine since i first found out. I can tell you that I have a marker in my genetic makeup that shouldn't be there (if I use your logic that i look X way or am from X place) but it's there, and I'm sure it's because of some tryst some time back in my family line that I am either unaware of due to noone telling me, or they simply didn't know. and B) to ask me what your tells are, ensures that you would learn from that and would adapt your statements to others to hide that which gives you away, something I am not prepared to do at this moment this evening, maybe after sleeping on it I'll be in a better position to think clearly.

Honestly, not one thing you have cited as evidence is altogether that unusual even all together it's maybe a curiosity but nothing more than that. As far as the results not saying you are Human, well since they really don't test for other things, there's no reason for a lab to say "hey this person is from "

You commented elsewhere that some lab tech that does a CBC/Chem test wouldn't be able to differentiate human from animal blood, that statement is a bold faced lie, human blood has certain markers in it that will immediately let a lab know that it's human, or dog, or cat, or whatever. A crime scene comes to mind that was splattered with blood everywhere and we all thought it was multiple people dead, 5 minutes in the lab and they said it was cow blood someone had put there to give that illusion. Not very supportive of your "lab people are idiots" theory.

Let me sleep on this, I'm going to write up my thoughts and double think them, but I think that even you will be able to see that this Alien thing, is not what it's cracked up to be...

Originally posted by alphabetaone
It seems the scales have tipped in media, on ATS, towards the direction of sensationalism, where once the onus was on the sensationalist to provide proof of their outlandish claims, now it seems that the burden of proof is on the critical thinkers; that we must prove something MAKES no sense rather than attempting to prove it does.

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I just don't like arbitrary skeptics.

Being brutally honest, I'd prefer this site to be literally flooded with BS, rather than having to put up with the self-appointed guardians of atheistic rationalism, performing their supposed public service of debunking everything in sight. Fraudulent material doesn't antagonise me anywhere near as much as that.

I look forward to the day when some of you realise that the service you think you are providing, has not been asked for, and is not wanted.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

I'm sorry, but,

No need to be.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
when I make a claim and provide evidence that seems to support my hypthesis

Well, perhaps herein lies the problem.

You have (it seems) only done 50% of that. You have made a claim yes, but provided EVIDENCE? No.

Let's posit a hypothetical court. In my little tale, lets assume that my name/location/DOB were being argued. What I would be compelled to do would be to present my Drivers License, my passport and perhaps my birth certificate for all parties to see as evidence of my claim that I am who I purport to be.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
only to have it dismissed out-of-hand by your "critical thinkers",

Of course. The lacking 50% (or the evidence that you keep hammering home that youve provided) is not evidence but just "your word".....in my aforementioned hypothetical court case that would be laughed at (rightfully so) as evidence.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
I have t wonder how any of them are even capable of rudimentary thought.

In stark contrast, I have to wonder why anyone would think someone who DOESN'T automatically subscribe to dogma wouldn't be capable of rudimentary thought.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
To dismiss evidence without evaluation, is not a "hallmark" of a "critical thinker".

True. However, "evidence" here is precisely the problem, as I've laid out.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Further, when that very same "critical thinker" accuses me of being a "hoax", a fraud, of having some mental illness or another, the burden of proof switches to the accuser.

Again true. IF there is actually evidence. In this case, I see only a "because I told you so".....no evidence.

Originally posted by petrus4

I can't speak for anyone else, but personally, I just don't like arbitrary skeptics.

Honestly, that's not something you can really get away from. A skeptic is a skeptic by nature, not by emotion. A skeptic will be skeptical of everything from the onset and gradually need to be coerced into a different viewpoint if there is enough compelling reason for them to see it.

Originally posted by petrus4
Being brutally honest, I'd prefer this site to be literally flooded with BS,

Well, that may be, but I can with almost 100% certainty assure you that you are a minority there.

Originally posted by petrus4
rather than having to put up with the self-appointed guardians of atheistic rationalism, performing their supposed public service of debunking everything in sight.

Think about what you're saying here. That those that DON'T believe in god are the people capable of rational thought and are the only ones questioning anything sight unseen. Or, the religious are so gullible that they just take anyone on their word because thats what they do. You wont make any friends in the catholic church there lol

Originally posted by petrus4
Fraudulent material doesn't antagonise me anywhere near as much as that.

Hmmm, one has to question why you feel antagonized by any of it at all!

Originally posted by petrus4
I look forward to the day when some of you realise that the service you think you are providing, has not been asked for, and is not wanted.

So again, I'm going to interpret your words. You look forward to the day when no one questions a thing.....if you, petrus or you Anthra or anyone says something, just believe it because, hey.... it MUST be true.

Sound about accurate?

Originally posted by alphabetaone
Again true. IF there is actually evidence. In this case, I see only a "because I told you so".....no evidence.

So, two DNA test results, and the compilation of ther data does not count as evidence Please explain.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda


So, two DNA test results, and the compilation of ther data does not count as evidence Please explain.

Yes, it would count as evidence.

Simply by you TELLING us about the test results though, does not if you are the only one who has seen the evidence.

Originally posted by alphabetaone

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda


So, two DNA test results, and the compilation of ther data does not count as evidence Please explain.

Yes, it would count as evidence.

Simply by you TELLING us about the test results though, does not if you are the only one who has seen the evidence.

I see So, posting images of the test results, and text copies desn't count then?

There are a limited number of ways this data can be made available, and they all must work in this networked environment. So, if you can't or won't accept evidence in an on-line format. Then you have little business engageing in argument in such an environent.

I have provided copies of the original results,

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda


I see So, posting images of the test results, and text copies desn't count then?

There are a limited number of ways this data can be made available, and they all must work in this networked environment. So, if you can't or won't accept evidence in an on-line format. Then you have little business engageing in argument in such an environent.

I have provided copies of the original results,

So those are the untarnished test results then? Hence my confusion of course.

You see, I thought it was your website, where you put the results there, not the actual test results....how could I have made that error.

Originally posted by alphabetaone

So those are the untarnished test results then? Hence my confusion of course.

You see, I thought it was your website, where you put the results there, not the actual test results....how could I have made that error.

Was the sarcastic tone really neccessary?

Yes, that is my website. Yes, those are the actual resultsbtained from the lab. The results, lab identity, and manager signitures, and list of rotcols, and acreditations are all there as well. You may also obtain a sample for your own analysis with the right arrangement.

I think it is important to understand that there are limited ways in which this data can be "transmitted", and, if you don't like the available methods; that is not my issue, it is yours. The reality is that we live in a digital age, not all data will be sent in a manner that you like. In fact, the Y-STR data was sent to me by email. And, the delivery of data in this manner is accepted by nearly everyone ... except in a case like mine; right?!?

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


Just a notation, Federal Law prohibits transmittal of DNA results or any other medical records by email, it's punishable by jail time, no reputable lab would break that protocol it's called HIPPA by the way..

Just thought you should know...

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda


Was the sarcastic tone really neccessary?

LOL I think you'll find that if either you knew me or simply review my posting history, subtlety in expressing myself is far from my strong suit. Typically if I think someone is full of crap, I will simply say it without a need for underlying tone.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Yes, that is my website. Yes, those are the actual resultsbtained from the lab. The results, lab identity, and manager signitures, and list of rotcols, and acreditations are all there as well. You may also obtain a sample for your own analysis with the right arrangement.

Interesting. So what is the "right arrangement" to obtain my own analysis. Like vkey said, hippa regulations traditionally state the non-transferral or public display of medical records, but I'm certain they can't govern whom you deem it satisfactory to provide them to personally.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
I think it is important to understand that there are limited ways in which this data can be "transmitted", and, if you don't like the available methods; that is not my issue, it is yours. The reality is that we live in a digital age, not all data will be sent in a manner that you like. In fact, the Y-STR data was sent to me by email. And, the delivery of data in this manner is accepted by nearly everyone ... except in a case like mine; right?!?

You were given medical records and examination of personally identifiable DNA records through an unsecured medium? Was it private key encrypted? If not, you have a decent lawsuit there.

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Just a notation, Federal Law prohibits transmittal of DNA results or any other medical records by email, it's punishable by jail time, no reputable lab would break that protocol it's called HIPPA by the way..

Just thought you should know...

Fine, whatever. Don't tell me, tell the labs, they are the ones with the option. Also, DNA, isn't neccessaily "medical" data. I've ntwrked with the HIPPA protcol, never had a need, so I neither know, nor care about it.

reply to post by alphabetaone


Damn, you two sure tryin' to do a deflect on this, huh!

DNA data is not neccessarily "Medical". It is biological, but, as I said, not neccessarily medical.

And no, I wasn't given an examination by anyone. An "examination" is not required, only a "cheek swab". That can be done by literally anyone; no skills required. For admissibility in US courts all that is needed "chain of custody" tracking, that starts either with the local Police or another authorized person.

And, again, you have the option of obtaining a sample yourself and verifying all results; any time you wish. Thatis what is so nice about science; repeatable results.

Oh,and, I did not do the "chain of custody" on either of those tests. Then, as now, I don't feel the T. Human species is worthy (in general) of the additional expense. And, you keep providing me evidence of this. Which is to say; that while skepticism is a good thing, at times you need to set aside momentarily, and allow your consciousness to "input" additional data. The cynicism of your species, this propensity to attack anything you don't like, or want, will eventually prove to be your downfall.

There are many here who are tying to provide you with truth, all you do is ask for proof. When you fail to understand the evidence and data provided, you find a way to dismiss the data. You demand the science, then reject it when provided.

I have provided what limited amount of data that I could afford, if that is not good enough for you, not my problem. If you do not wish to accept what I've said, that is up to you. If you wish to learn, along with the rest of us, great! Lets get it on!

Etharzi od Oma.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
reply to post by alphabetaone

 

Damn, you two sure tryin' to do a deflect on this, huh!

Absolutely not. To deflect would mean I'm trying to change the subject to something else. If what you mean is focusing a lot of attention on it though, yes. It's relevant in that as you claim to be of Andromedan origin and the thread is about an Andromedan, it seems related.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
DNA data is not neccessarily "Medical". It is biological, but, as I said, not neccessarily medical.

And no, I wasn't given an examination by anyone. An "examination" is not required, only a "cheek swab". That can be done by literally anyone; no skills required. For admissibility in US courts all that is needed "chain of custody" tracking, that starts either with the local Police or another authorized person.

Right, agreed. But the databases they use, I think we have to agree on, are not of the variety that leave a 55% margin for error with availability on the internet. If so, I think all those highly paid specialists would be out of a job.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
Which is to say; that while skepticism is a good thing, at times you need to set aside momentarily, and allow your consciousness to "input" additional data.

I do that on an almost daily basis. Trust me on this one, living on the east coast of the US, it's almost a prerequisite for survival.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
The cynicism of your species, this propensity to attack anything you don't like, or want, will eventually prove to be your downfall.

No one is attacking. Questioning the veracity of information is a part of MY DNA, I do it as easily as breathing, I doubt I could stop it if I tried.
I'm far more convinced that our desire to conquer, warmonger and usurp will long be our demise before a hyper-skeptical mentality.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
When you fail to understand the evidence and data provided, you find a way to dismiss the data. You demand the science, then reject it when provided.

You're making an assumption. That the data is not understood. It's understood, but the quality of it is what is in question. If I told you I was jesus christ and provided
evidence" by way of photos that showed scars on my head from a crown of thorns, precisely how many thousands do you think would question and want all types of verifications....I would literally be inundated, and rightfully so.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda
I have provided what limited amount of data that I could afford, if that is not good enough for you, not my problem. If you do not wish to accept what I've said, that is up to you. If you wish to learn, along with the rest of us, great! Lets get it on!

Absolutely! I would never condone someone spending more than they could afford on something that YOU already believe to be true in the first place. Waste of money and time.

But let me tell you a little story from when I was about 3 years old or so. My old man had a very old Tecumseh Lawn mower. I remember it vividly, as it had a very clean white motor and shiny black deck. The Exhaust pipe on the motor was originally white but discolored blue from heat damage. Also vividly, I can remember my fascination with the exhaust pipe for some reason, I would always stretch out my hand to try and touch it. There had to be tens if not hundreds of times he had to yell at me "Hot! Dont touch!" .... but it seemed I always wanted to because (I guess) that discoloration of the exhaust intrigued me. Well, until I actually touched the damn thing, burnt my finger, screamed and had a huge blister I imagine I didn't have a complete understanding of what the heck "Hot! Don't touch!" meant....afterwards I sure did.

THAT is how I learn....from something tangible, from something real, from something that "burns" me into understanding....dogma however, is not in my repertoire....I simply wont take something at face value, and less so, something on the internet within the scope of a forum that, has a history of would be hoaxsters just waiting for their opportunity.

Originally posted by AnthraAndromda

Originally posted by vkey08
reply to post by AnthraAndromda

 

Just a notation, Federal Law prohibits transmittal of DNA results or any other medical records by email, it's punishable by jail time, no reputable lab would break that protocol it's called HIPPA by the way..

Just thought you should know...

Fine, whatever. Don't tell me, tell the labs, they are the ones with the option. Also, DNA, isn't neccessaily "medical" data. I've ntwrked with the HIPPA protcol, never had a need, so I neither know, nor care about it.

You should be the one caring and telling these labs, tehy HAVE to follow procedure, and since DNA testing facilities come under the jurisdiction of the US Dept of Health and Human Services, they MUST by law follow the HIPPA protocols for all testing and release of information. They dont' have the option they don't have the right they don't even have the means, if they send via e-mail they could lose their license to collect and anylise DNA results. It's the law, basic and simple and you also just made another major mistake:

Then, as now, I don't feel the T. Human species is worthy (in general) of the additional expense.

You will never get accurate results if you continue to have some sort of superiority complex.. You are no better or worse than anyone else on here, the faster you realize if you are indeed a person living in Texas, living on land under the jurisdiction of the United States, you must follow their laws, the better...

Law is pretty specific in this case, hospitals have been shut down for minor HIPPA violations, no DNA company would ever risk losing a multi-milliondollar business to give you alone results via electronic means.

reply to post by vkey08


Okay, firstly, DNA data is not neccessarilt "medical" in nature, secnd, most of these DNA "houses" are not health care providers. Hence, the HIPA requirements may not apply.

There is als the idea that; there is no identity information associated with the DNA, other than the DNA itself. In the first analysis the information extracted was, for the most part, CODIS data (plus a little extra), and there was no data identifying the individual that the DNA came from. I could give them any ID I wanted, they didn't care. The limit of their responsibility was to analyze the sample and report the results. That was mailed to me, no electronic version.

The second was Y-DNA, a bit more specific in some respects, but, can only be used to identify a paternal line. There was an option to receive the data electronically (email). I selected this, mostly because, for me it is less work to get the data into my database and associated tools.

After checking on the HIPPA requirements; I found that neither of these analyses qualified as "medical", and of course neither of the labs I used was a "health care provider". Thus no HIPA.

You will never get accurate results if you continue to have some sort of superiority complex..

Actually, I don't have a superiority complex. What I do have is decreasing tollerance for those who seem to refuse to "see" what I "perceive" as obvious. Now, I am fully aware that not everyone will "see" what I think they should. All of you have an entirely different set of "life exirencies" than I. Amlost no one has the same education level, nor do they have the same professional expirence. In short, there is really no reason for you to "see" what I do. Unfortunately, late hours and the day's frustrations can have an effect, even on us "superior beings" from other worlds. note: please don't read too much into the "superior bengs" remark. I very firmly do not beleive that ET is superior to Terrestrials in any way. In fact, it may well be the other way around.

For instance; Terrestrials have been evolving as "modern Humans" for only about 200,000 years, my species: over 200 million. We are more advanced, as might be evidenced by the fact that we are here, but, that only gives us better technology, it does not speak to the kind of "people" we are. And the reality is that Terrestrials may well have a giant step up in the spiritual areas (I seriously hope that you do not discount the "spiritual" as many T. Huans seem to.)

Etharzi od Oma.

reply to post by alphabetaone

But the databases they use, I think we have to agree on, are not of the variety that leave a 55% margin for error with availability on the internet. If so, I think all those highly paid specialists would be out of a job.

Actually, the database itself is incapable of a "margin of error", the queries on the otherhand are. But, that isn't on the lab techs, its on the DBM (Database manager). All the lab does is perform the analysis, and the technology does the rest. In the technology I have good to great confidence (only because I know how the damn things work).

The thing is though, that much of this data can and has been put on the Internet, freely available to everyone. All the DBM needs to do is provide an interface. Most of which are designed for user simplicity. Fortunately, I am One person that does not need the simple Interface, and, can design my own interface, albeit a bit slow, which will allow for more complete and complex searches. Once my interface is connected I can have complete access to the data, in any way I want it dislayed, as long as what I want is still within the scope of a "user",

No one is attacking. Questioning the veracity of information is a part of MY DNA, I do it as easily as breathing, I doubt I could stop it if I tried.
I'm far more convinced that our desire to conquer, warmonger and usurp will long be our demise before a hyper-skeptical mentality.

It felt like an attack. However, I understand what you are saying and trying to do. I expected it. That is the primary reason I have made it possible for anyone with the desire (and funds) to verify my results. I will be quite happy to provide samples to anyone under these conditions: You pay or it, You share the results with the world (me first). Both of those test cost around $100.00

I guess it is perhaps the "sharpness" of you questioning that leads to a misperceition.

I don't know about the "hyper-skeptical". Many "skeptics" will never even consider the other 50% of the universe, simply because of their skepticism. It doesn't allow them to think that far outside the box. and they don't realize the damn box is infinite. Thus they remain in a rather narrow world where Warngering, etc. is a better understood mode of being.

And, I understand the "burnt finger" method of learning, was there once myself. However, One does not need to cause themselves an injury to learn, all it takes is something you have done all along ...pay attention (course none of that applies to 3 yr olds )

You're making an assumption. That the data is not understood. It's understood, but the quality of it is what is in question. If I told you I was jesus christ and provided evidence" by way of photos that showed scars on my head from a crown of thorns, precisely how many thousands do you think would question and want all types of verifications....I would literally be inundated, and rightfully so.

I remain unconvinced that the data is understood. However, I do understand you issues with "quality", you do need to know that the analyses were conducted properly and that the original sample was "real". The list of accreditations from the first lab should have taken care of most of that.

As to the sample, there is no real way to address that in this context. Hence, the availability of samples for verification. Even if I had provided complete chain of custody, there would be no way of truly being sure. The only "real" method I could "engineer" is cost prohibitive and requires me and two or three witnesses to "roll up" on a DNA lab, and watch the whole proceedure. It also would require a level of cooperation between "die-hard skeptics", "true beleivers", and someone who quite simply doesn't care, and of course me, but, I'll work well with almost anyone.

Absolutely! I would never condone someone spending more than they could afford on something that YOU already believe to be true in the first place. Waste of money and time.

I remain unconvinced that it is a waste of time and money. If something I do can bring the Terrestrial Humans half a step closer to truth and understanding in any area, then the time, effort, and expense will have been worth it. Course, I still have to get past my own attitudes, and issues with Terrestrials.

But, ya know what? These arguements I have with people like yourself, bring me closer to truth and understanding, and a little closer to me properly dealing with my own feelings, thoughts, and issues. So, there is really little waste here.
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I simply wont take something at face value, and less so, something on the internet within the scope of a forum that, has a history of would be hoaxsters just waiting for their opportunity.

Good! I wouldn't want you to.

Etharzi od Oma

reply to post by AnthraAndromda


Then neither DNA "house" as you call them is admissible in court, your argument again fails on that level. DNA testing and analysis is strictly controlled int eh United States, for the reasons that many others have stated over the years in your thread and to once again state it in plain English:

1) You cannot use "any ID" to get a DNA result, they must interface with the Federal Database, and therefore all results are cross checked against existing sample, this is the reality of life, understand this. You must provide legal and verifiable ID, otherwise they are not a licensed facility and the results should always be considered dubious. All colleges and researchers must also adhere to this protocol, again it's the law, get over yourself.

2) I have read back over every single thing you're written, I've seen where people get frustrate with you for changing your story from moment to moment and over the course of time. This DNA thing has also evolved in your story and went from a doctor, to some DNA "house" where they "only get the info and report it back to you"
You claim to know how databases work, if the database doesn't have all the info to check against, it cannot be 100% accurate. Never - no how, not one iota of anything you're peddling even suggests mildly that you are nothing other than a human being.

3) off the DNA thing, and back to your changing story, wayback is a wonderful creature, you may be able to delete posts and pages and some sites you've posted on may be gone now, but that doesn't mean that they aren't archived out there for everyone to see.. Before you respond to this particular comment I would hope you would think very very very carefully... Because a posted in one of your other threads hit you on the nail and you blew it off as some sort of wishful thinking, it wasn't however, if you're so big n bad on the databases, you would know once on the net, always on the net.. and you would know how to find it..

4) as for your general demeanor.. The more one protests people's logical arguments, the more they are trying to hide something, I sometimes stumble over what i'm trying to say and have to give up simply because I know no matter how I put it it won't come out right, however, you go into lengths to try and prove to people that have worked around this sort of thing before (dna testing) that you are right and they are wrong to the point that you use fallacious arguments "They are not medical" wellhey are, and there's i s increasing pressure on the government to shut down "DNA Mills" which have been found to be wholly inaccurate in their results...time and time again.

As most STR analysis examines markers chosen for their high intra-group variation, the utility of these particular STR markers to access inter-group relationships may be greatly diminished.

autosomal tests may have a margin of error up to 15% and blind spots.

Few haplotypes will exactly match the modal values for Haplogroup G

I could put up more and more quotes that any DNA result not gotten from a government regulated lab is going to have errors but I'll leave it there for now, just remember, you can't have all the facts if you only have part of the answers... While you may have what you perceive to be the full story, it isn't, and the faster you realize that, the better off all of us will be...