Christianity in one word: Anti-homosexual

Regarding all of the "Ye are Gods" statements in the Bible, it helps to use it in context with the rest of the verse and the surrounding verses.

The only thing missing is the apostrophe. YE ARE GOD'S!

Isaiah 41:23

23) Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.

Psalms 82:6

6) I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

John 10

34) Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

Now, let's look at the previous verses in John 10 to see what it means...

27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

28) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

YE ARE GOD'S! This meaning is supposed to be possessive in nature.

Originally posted by Unavailable
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Thank you!, I don't like people like the OP...they are very sadistic and only attack specific groups (which increases the hate and violence).

I am crushed.
You don't like people like me...

But, what do you think of the topic at hand?
The study that is...
Do you also not like young adults in general?

Welcome to ATS btw.

Originally posted by randyvs

All right Saturn ! FnS for an outstanding and interesting thread.

Oh
And got people talking anyhow..good way to burn away mid-week

reply to post by Deetermined

27) My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:

This quote here, this line in the Holy Bible, explains why such a blatantly "holey" (hehe) book was needed for that age.

The people were sheep. That's all there is to it. And since the science in those days were lacking, superstition was a front for extreme caution. There wasn't medicine for sexually transmitted diseases, and people who are sleeping with the same sex were bound to sleep around twice as much (sorry, but it's true).

That's my take on it.

reply to post by SaturnFX

the biggest message christianity is giving out to the young folks is a anti-homosexual message.

I truly doubt the veracity of this statement, but if it should somehow appear to be so, perhaps it is only in response to the huge push to promote this type of sexuality in the classrooms and churches. Plus, the whole thing with the Catholic pedophiles is being misconstrued by proponents of the agenda. It seems that some are intent on condemning Christianity while promoting the behavior inside the churches. I have also posted that there was deliberate infiltration of communism and Marxism in the Church with the intent to destroy the Church from within. Now who else told us they would destroy the West from within? Why it was Nikita Krushcev

Khrushchev said, "We will bury you... We do not have to invade the United States, we will destroy you from within".

www.biblebelievers.org.au...

Communism was a movement of atheists and secularists and they tried to eliminate Christianity and religion in general.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Some people on ATS need to read more, react less.

Seriously...if you just read the title and started typing, you will never understand the issue, and therefore will not help in either reversing the perception, or furthering it (depending on your agenda).

You can say...nooo, christianity isn't just anti-homosexuality...its a bunch of other stuff..rainbows, candy, etc..

ok, fine..sure
Then why do most young adults associate it, in one word, as just that?

Why?

Answer that and you might be starting to realize what a horrible marketing team the christians have today..
Reinvent, rebrand, or be removed.

Media comes to mind. A lot of young adults are pretty affected by mainstream media, which seems to have an agenda when it comes to Christianity. The media is putting a pretty bad spin on it, and linking it to anti-homosexual behaviour. Like someone else mentioned, Islam, and Judaism both find homosexuality a sin, so Christianity does not have the market cornered on that particular topic.

People in earlier times required a lot of populating to be successful. Lots of kids meant more food and help to keep the family going. It is easy to see that homosexuality would not contribute anything, and since it was so unusual, it seemed to go against nature. I can see where it started with early religion, and it does make sense. Personally, I don't care what people do in their own homes, it just seems to be in your face all of the time in the media.

reply to post by Starchild23


Sheepherding was pretty common in those days. This is why he used that as a frame of reference. The sheep follow the Shepherd. The Shepherd is likened to a leader. Not everyone will be a leader.

Originally posted by Unavailable
reply to post by Starchild23

 

Thank you!, I don't like people like the OP...they are very sadistic and only attack specific groups (which increases the hate and violence).

Hi una,
Can't give you a flag,a star will have to do.
Stick around and learn about the Communist Manifesto.
The anti religious campaign of central Europe of the turn of the last century.
It's BACK LOL ljb

Originally posted by randyvs

Originally posted by OUTofSTEPwithTHEworld
I have always god, spirituality and religion are not the same.

By no means are they. Religion is of man. Christ is of the Father.

god is a greater being, religion is a fairy tale or, and spirituality...spirits. "good and bad"... they are "good" if you THINK they are good cause of your opinion "on good" or...bad. it's a human constructed opinion on what's good or bad. : they differ. IMO bad would be defined as harming another living thing.
when i tell people im an atheist they start to vilify about my beliefs a lot but, they do differ.
so don't confuse them. ignorant folks.

This Thread is not even worth responding to. I am surprised this thread has not been blocked yet

reply to post by Deetermined


If it was meant to be possessive, then why is it written without the apostrophe? Are you saying it is a mistranslation?

Here is another view

To claim the same power as the Father was to claim oneness with the Father. The Jews immediately saw such a claim as blasphemous and tried to stone Jesus (Jno. 10:31). They did not misunderstand what Jesus said. They simply did not believe Him. They knew Jesus was “making (himself) God” (Jno. 10:33). Jesus declared for Himself equality (sameness) with God (cf. Jno. 5:17-18). They considered His words to be blasphemous because they had rejected the evidence -- His works -- which proved Him to be divine. They thought He was just a man. So, they charged Him with blasphemy and considered Him worthy of death (Jno. 10:33). Think of it! A man making himself God (v. 33)! Yet, the very works of Jesus showed His declaration to be true (Jno. 10:32; 5:36; 10:25, 38). He is more than just a man. He is also God (Jno. 1:1-3, 14). Had they believed His works, they would have received His words (Jno. 10:37-38).

The Jews were completely intolerant of Jesus’ claim of Godhood. Jesus continues His defense by exposing their inconsistency through an appeal to the authority of Scripture. “Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken), say ye of him, whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?” (Jno. 10:34-36).

The Jews were willing to accept the statement from their own law that described God’s appointed judges among His people as “gods.” Jesus quoted Psalms 82:6, and it is significant to note that He says that Psalms belonged to their “law” (cf. Rom. 3:19, 10-18). Jesus stated that which his Jewish opponents conceded. Namely, that it stood written in the law (i.e., it was firmly established by the binding nature of God’s law) that God said of men, “Ye are gods” (Jno. 10:34-35). Then, Jesus affirmed the authoritative force of Scripture by saying, “the scripture cannot be broken” (Jno. 10:35). Inspired scripture cannot be deprived of its binding authority by the whims of men. All individuals are obligated to harmonize their beliefs and practices to the authority of God’s writings (2 Tim. 3:16-17; 1 Cor. 14:37; Col. 3:17).

www.bibleanswer.com...
I think this explains it more within the proper context.

reply to post by Deetermined


Interesting.

At Psalm 82:1, 6, ’elo·him′ is used of men, human judges in Israel. Jesus quoted from this Psalm at John 10:34, 35. They were gods in their capacity as representatives of and spokesmen for Yahweh or Jehovah. Similarly Moses was told that he was to serve as “God” to Aaron and to Pharaoh.—Ex 4:16, They occupied an appointed position of authority.

Originally posted by knightrider078
This Thread is not even worth responding to. I am surprised this thread has not been blocked yet

Thanks for bumping my thread

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


So
To combat the perception young adults have on christianity being anti-homosexual is..

to what then?
Become even more anti-homosexual?

I am sure that will work just great.

reply to post by SaturnFX


That made me laugh.

Anyway, it's good to get these things out in the open. You know when you get so tired that you just stop fighting, and suddenly you realize you've been doing it wrong the whole time?

That's what this is. We're beating a dead horse until we scratch our heads and go, "Wait a second...I just wasted my life trying to cut down these other people, but where does that leave me?"

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

That made me laugh.

Anyway, it's good to get these things out in the open. You know when you get so tired that you just stop fighting, and suddenly you realize you've been doing it wrong the whole time?

That's what this is. We're beating a dead horse until we scratch our heads and go, "Wait a second...I just wasted my life trying to cut down these other people, but where does that leave me?"

I think many people on all sides of an argument come to that conclusion eventually.
For me, I have an agenda overall (no, not to usher in some great communist country..heh, McCarthyism is funny). so, I see some steps as heading towards that goal overall...but ultimately, it keeps my mind sharp as a more immediate gratification.

Frankly, I would rather have had my mass effect thread trend. I like gaming more than I like yacking about religion..but meh, not a lot of gamers on ATS sadly. Well, not virtual gaming (life is just a game after all..good graphics and framerate, bit lacking in character development though)

reply to post by SaturnFX


SnF man. I can see that posters in this thread are not really comprehending what the point of this is.

Your title is the overall feeling that the younger generations have towards the Church/Christians. So... a survey was done and that was the end result.... that basically we feel like the older generation is hating on gays and that community. And IMO... they are.

I live in Utah, where a lot of people are Mormon. Mormons are Christians. Not sure if anyone pays attention but they are the leader in America for being anti gay.

They put all the money behind California's Proposition 8.

Twice a year they have what is called a "General Conference" where the leaders of the church speak to the masses.

There is always at least one speaker who's main point is to put down and vilify the LGBT community.

Utah has a pretty bad suicide rate..... it's not specific to gays but from living here I can say they are apart of that statistic. We have that high suicide rate because of the Religion and how judgmental it is towards the gay community.

I have actually been disgusted with how much hatred the Church has directed towards the Gays.

Here's an example:

Originally posted by knightrider078
This Thread is not even worth responding to. I am surprised this thread has not been blocked yet

I suppose every thread you disagree with deserves to be blocked. Get off the high horse of your own opinion and join us. I see quite a few things being sorted here my fellow member.