Christianity in one word: Anti-homosexual

I am not saying Christians should rewrite their bible

Actually the Bible has been re-written many times, so it is not about re-writing it. The problem is the way that we have been taught to translate the symbols in it that we call words, in ways that work to divide us as a species, rather than in ways that work to Unite us. Divide and conquer? You decide.

Certain key symbols or words like Redemption, Salvation, Sin, adultery, etc. can now be translated in ways that may give us a new and more workable perspective on the Bible, whose purpose is to lead us to "The Kingdom of Heaven", which itself can be re-translated into a state of existence that lies buried within us.

To redeem is to exchange something of little or no value and worth for something which has true value and worth. What if we were to re-translate the Divine Plan of Redemption into a plan meant to exchange our awareness of ourselves as lowly, worthless sinners into an awareness of the worthy sons and daughters of God that Jesus himself said that we are?

Salvation is a process of salvaging something that has been lost, and returning it to a state of value and worth that it possessed before it became "lost".

Just these two re-translations can change our perspective, or the way we view ourselves and others and help us come to see ourselves and others in a new light.

These re-translations can also help us to see that what we call Sin is the error thoughts and false beliefs we have been taught in order to keep us from true Redemption, and true Salvation by keeping us in low states of self-esteem, dividing us, and keep us fighting amongst ourselves over our beliefs.

Did you know that there is another translation for the word adultery that has nothing to do with sexual infidelity? It can also be re-translated as the twisting and confusing of truth in order to confuse and manipulate the opinions or beliefs of others, basically the same as propaganda.

How might this change the commandment Thou shall not commit adultery? How might this affect the way we see everything feminine?

How differently might our world be if we re-translated these key words in this new way? I know its hard to imagine because the potential is limitless.

Does anyone really believe God would mind if we re-translated key words in a way that could produce a world full of happy, healthy, functional Adams and Eves?

Think about it!!!

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by SaturnFX

He is correct. This thread is ultimately about the vast perception of christianity by young adults...not my feelings about it, not if its right or wrong...it is about how christianity is branded as an anti-gay group moreso than anything else.

Now, people can then take that bit of info and go wherever they want with it...I was actually expecting some thoughtful "how do we send a good message out..how do we change this perception"..but instead, it has been a mountain of 'nuh uhh, we aren't all hateful, gays are unnatural, the ops is mean, etc etc etc"

completely missing the issue.

I really don't see a way to change the perception, since we've taken everything resembling God out of the equation as it relates to government, education, etc. If parents aren't instilling God into their children's lives, they certainly aren't going to know the difference when the topic is hashed and rehashed in the media. And we all know how lazy parents are today when it comes to directing their children's lives. They let everyone else do it for them.

This is where I tell you that you do not understand the role of "values clarification" in the schools, and the methods by which the educational system has sought to undermine even that which the parent is trying to instill in their children. It has been a deliberate effort by secualr humanists and even Marxists (Dewey signed the Humanist Manifesto and it is his pedagogical methodology used in schools today) to undermine parental authority and values and replace them with those of the State.

If I created a Thread that said ALL Muslims were terrorist I can BET you that thread would have been blocked or banned.

Originally posted by Blue_Jay33
According to the Christian bible it is also.....

1)Anti-drunkard
2)Anti-adulterer
3)Anti-fornicator
4)Anti-idolater
5)Anti-thief
6)Anti-greed
7)Anti-murder

My question is of all the proclaimed sins of the bible why has society gone bananas over one mentioned amongst many?

This is a question that cuts both ways to both those that ferociously oppose it and those those that strongly support it.

edit on 16-5-2012 by Blue_Jay33 because: (no reason given)

I guess in prohibition days the statement would have been made that "Christianity can be summed up with one word...anti-alcohol. At other times, anti-witchcraft, or anti-bestiality. What ever the times call for. The homosexual community is thrusting this issue into societies face. (pun intended) Christians have no choice but to voice their disapproval based on their religious values.
I can see no other way around this without requiring Christians to give up their freedom and right to their religious convictions.

Originally posted by randyvs

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Based on this reply, I'm going to stop taking this thread seriously.

If the rest of ATS wants to save themselves a headache, they should do the same. Either way, I'm out. OP has been proven wrong a dozen times over, he just reverses and rephrases the statement, before asking pointless questions and avoiding the actual bones of the thread.

Have a good one, guys.

And there you have the problem with taking the extreme high road with anything on this site. I found this out with a few threads of mine. The wording can be taken in ways you never imagined.

I think Star has a good point that is hard for Saturn to find his way around. That's being pretty tough on you Saturn but that's what I see.

I just simply ignore or laugh at people whom suggest I am or follow any of the following:

Karl Marx
Hitler
Stalin
Reptilians
Satan
Illuminati
etc (fairly extensive list actually)

Why? because its useless to talk to people whom have to think so simply...their brains simply cannot hold the information required to discuss different views and the like. If someone gets annoyed that I laugh at someone whom suggested I go on romantic getaways with lenin and marx, I don't see the need to defend such notions...but I do see an opening to crack a few jokes...

its not like those types of people help the quality of the conversation, or merit any concern on my behalf.
My time is..well, to be honest, its pretty cheap. But, even if it was free, it would still be time wasted talking seriously to such challenged minds.

Randy...you and I have had a great number of contentious discussions in the past. And they have more or less been pretty good. We have had points where we are both ready to tear each others eyebrows out, but its always been at the very least, intellectually stimulating and leading to a higher discussion. Would you find it equal if instead of fairly good debates, I simply slung random nonsense insults at you? Eventually you would either ignore me, or use a bit of sarcasm and humor to dismiss me.

There is no point, nor value in talking to "you love hitler" types. Same as others saying "christians are all retards". dismiss them, make fun of them, and kick them out of the conversational door.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Interesting. Christians you say are bigots about Gay's. You are a bigot about Christians. Same thing, different target.

For crying out loud.

The only reason for the hate towards homo-sexuality in the Bible is because that's how it was meant to be used in the past.

Why you ask?

Simple; So the Goverment/TPTB/or whatever you want to call them could make more money off people through reproduction from taxes. More population, equals the more money that can be made.

Only God is allowed to judge people? Yet, Christans judge homosexuals? Contridictions, and hypicritcal is all it is. Contradictions, and hypocritical is all it is.

Originally posted by Blaine91555
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Interesting. Christians you say are bigots about Gay's. You are a bigot about Christians. Same thing, different target.

and off topic.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


Third
Would you say this topic is a social unrest issue (people just getting sick of christianity), or a conspiracy in religion (media and such coming together to alter perceptions about the institution for some down the line gain).

I ask that because the thread has been moved just now to social unrest...which implies there is no conspiracy here, thereby invalidating your view on it as something planned out..its just random people getting sick of it all.

Not that I am saying the move was bad...but it did make me wonder if indeed this is a conspiracy we are seeing, or just social unrest.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Not really. More like addressing the source of the question. Or rather, the inspiration for the question.

In this case, bigotry against religion. Especially considering your thread, according to the title, is erroneous.

As I said...homophobia is purely anti-homosexual. Not Christianity.

reply to post by SaturnFX


There's no clear answer to that, and I think you know it.

i don't really need to add anything to what Stephen Colbert says in this picture. "I'd like to read to you what Jesus said about homosexuality.... I'd like to but he didn't say anything"




also a note to add. Jesus's number one enemy were the Pharisees. or the high priests of the church. so don't blame God for the folly of man.

reply to post by SaturnFX

I am not saying Christians should rewrite their bible, but rather, its time to put perspective on it.

I still don't understand why you singled out Christians.

On second thought I do understand, they are an easy target.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I am not saying Christians should rewrite their bible, but rather, its time to put perspective on it.

I still don't understand why you singled out Christians.

On second thought I do understand, they are an easy target.

edit on 033131p://bWednesday2012 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)

by you, are you saying me, or the Barnes group?

And of course they are an easy target...they are like what...80+ percent of america?
Can't walk 3 paces without bumping into a christian.
Yes, the oppressed majority.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


and I dare say you don't have to be religious at all to dislike homosexuality.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Oh REALLY mr religon BASHER---
Handle this---Obama Courts Women, Young People, Gays in NYC - ABC News
abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/barnard-obama-challenges-women-lead-16344061

This would be FIVE recent books! SATERUN READ THEM to help you in your ignorance.

The number of gay-related books in the past thirty years that cite Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky may be counted on one hand. Sexuality and Socialism is one of them. As “a lesbian Marxist who came of age in the neo-Cold War, AIDS-ravaged 1980s,” Wolf believes that the “genuine Marxist tradition has stood squarely in favor of sexual liberation.”



This is interseting because of this--



The hitch for such a position is that nowhere in the collected works of Marx, Engels, Lenin, or Trotsky is there a single gay-affirmative fragment. Indeed, insofar as Marx and Engels discussed homosexuality at all—chiefly in private jokes about Karl Heinrich Ulrichs and Johann Baptiste von Schweitzer—their remarks were, to put it mildly, insensitive. Their sole public reference is a line about “the abominable practice of sodomy” in Engels’s The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State (1884).



International Socialist Review -- Sexuality and Socialism
www.isreview.org/issues/68/rev-sexuality.shtml - Similarto International Socialist Review -- Sexuality and Socialism

Without that kind of popular validation, the gay civil rights revolution may stall. ... of miscegenation laws (often accomplished, as today, through the courts). ... thirty years that cite Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Trotsky may be counted on one hand.



NOW ENTER stage LEFT

Obama Courts Women, Young People, Gays in NYC - ABC News
abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/barnard-obama-challenges-women-lead-16344061

2 days ago ... Obama Courts Women, Young People, Gays in NYC. ... they should think of the country's history and what young generations before them have ...

Gay Forums - All Things Gay - Are Some Older Gays Bitter ...
www.realjock.com/gayforums/2373748

The thread should be Christains hate Commies.
get it LJB

reply to post by SaturnFX


Yes, you, why not include all faiths?

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Not really. More like addressing the source of the question. Or rather, the inspiration for the question.

In this case, bigotry against religion. Especially considering your thread, according to the title, is erroneous.

As I said...homophobia is purely anti-homosexual. Not Christianity.

Well, I am going to use your logic then and instead of addressing what your saying, I will go with the inspiration of your words
and therefore, I think you are hateful towards atheists.
Why do you respond with nothing but hate? how can you hate a person based on their mental state? Why are you a bigot?

See..here is a really bad idea...to assign "inspiration" to the question verses just address the question or topic...it can easily be reversed right back on to you with equal condemnation.

So. is that how we play this game?
Explain to me what a bigot is...use actual definitions verses what you feel it probably means
See how your incorrect?
I don't hate people, I do however have a distaste for religion...I also don't like walmart...that does not mean I dislike people whom work or shop at walmart

So, you call me something falsely, and then avoid the topic and instead try to determine my inspiration you guess at.

disingenious...if you cannot respectfully and honestly address the topic at hand...then just don't address the thread...if all you want to do is rip -me- apart for bringing this study on ATS, then
well
deny ignorance...your doing it wrong!

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Yes, you, why not include all faiths?

Because I didn't conduct this study
Feel free to contact the Barnes group though for an answer to that question
However
They are far more concerned with christianity, given they are a christian polling group..so chances are, they don't care what people think of buddism or whatnot.