Christianity in one word: Anti-homosexual

reply to post by SaturnFX


I follow Christ and I have a tatoo. Got it in jail even. I do want it gone tho.

I have a tat that says "One Nation Under God" does that mean I am going to Hell?

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by SaturnFX

So...to be a christian, you must adhere to the words of......Paul?

Question for you. Could I become a christian, and not adhere to Pauls decisions and rulings, but instead follow only the words and teachings of Christ? or is Jesus not relevant...

So, I think Paul made a bunch of stuff up for whatever purposes..therefore I only follow christ.
What did Christ specifically state about homosexuality?

Fine, maybe it would help if we look at what Jesus had to say (himself) about marriage:

Matthew 19:3-6

3) The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

4) And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,

5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?

6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

That speaks of what?
Jesus wasn't a fan of divorice? Not following.
The question itself is a bit dated. so, what does "put away" mean to you?
To me, it basically says a man can't drop his wife should they have a bit of issues, due to them basically being one what with being unioned and such. He is, (my interpretation) saying pulling them apart is a bit like ripping a person in half.

But, there is more to that. Moses gave details on how to divorice, so its not just a divorce anyhow, but seperation through duty. The bible is filled with lots of confusing discussions overall. This is a scenario discussion "what if a storm was coming and you had a wife here and a war there and he had to choose, but there was also a stray dog on a train track..and" that sort of thing that sort of spins around in logic.

So, is he suggesting seperation over duty is not the best bet, or is he saying divorce is not good? your interpretation is equal to any here really.

What I didn't read is "oh, and I hate the gays" anywhere in there..so not seeing the relevance.

In Case People Missed my Last post, I will restate one simple thing.

He whom is without sin, may cast the first stone.

OTHERWISE

Worry about the Plank in your own eye before judging those with a speck in theirs.

Originally posted by tw0330
I have a tat that says "One Nation Under God" does that mean I am going to Hell?

Yes.

But at least you go to the "irony" wing of hell....funny people there.

Originally posted by tw0330
In Case People Missed my Last post, I will restate one simple thing.

He whom is without sin, may cast the first stone.

OTHERWISE

Worry about the Plank in your own eye before judging those with a speck in theirs.

Slightly off topic.
After Jesus said that
Why didn't he then stand up and cast the first stone?

But yet Jesus never said anything about homosexuals nor did he himself marry, which at that time in history would have been a great sin on it's own.

Originally posted by randyvs
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I follow Christ and I have a tatoo. Got it in jail even. I do want it gone tho.

Interesting sidenote
the "interpretations" on the no body modifications, no tats, is thought of because it is slave markings overall..and god doesn't like slaves or some such.

You got a tat (old school slave markings) in prison (new school slave pens).
just found that interesting.

I have no tats...mostly because I have commitment issues.

I am a Christian.

The real problem is as most of you have written. Hypocrisy and judgement are prevalent in many churches... but not all. Christianity is not meant to be a platform that elevates one above others in any fashion however many behave to the contrary. Some become pious, self-righteous, haughty, prideful. That is the antithesis (opposite) of Christianity. As Christians we are called to love God and to love others before ourselves. To treat others as we would treat ourselves, to be humble, to stand up for what is right both morally, ethically and spiritually.

Also we Christians are taught to hate the sin NOT the sinner (we are all sinners, all of us). Most cant make the distinction though. Let me elaborate...

Sadly, most who call themselves Christians.. are not. Those who don't fully understand Christianity and claim to be, are otherwise known as being "spiritually immature." Let me clarify, just because an individual attends a church, does not make them a Christian. There is much more involved.

The reason for spiritual immaturity is lack of knowledge and understanding, which stems from lack of studying the Bible. AND that comes down to a PERSONAL choice and discipline.

You see Christianity, like any other religion is a volunteer army. No one is standing over you making sure that you accomplish certain tasks with in a certain time frame. So studying the Bible, otherwise known as the Word of God is a CHOICE and it takes self discipline.

A deeper problem still is most Christians are NOT disciplined. You see, Christians are human beings too. Lets be real about ourselves for a moment. We humans, for the most part, are lazy - arrogant - whiny - and apathetic.

Those bad traits that are far too common these days must be changed. When these things are changed wisdom and understanding will take their place. (Spiritual maturity).

I have been going to church my whole life. I am now in my mid 20's, I have only recently begun to actually study the Bible. I made the CHOICE to stop being hypocritical and judgmental. The things I spoke of are things that I am still working on, it will take time though. As time moves forward, I will gain spiritual maturity, only then can I truly set myself apart from others and the world.

Notice... I said "apart from others and the world" I did not say better than others or above others.

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How is it off topic when people are being so judgmental against Homosexuals.

Jesus was not sent to cast stones. He didn't come to judge others, but to be judged.

Originally posted by tw0330
But yet Jesus never said anything about homosexuals nor did he himself marry, which at that time in history would have been a great sin on it's own.

edit on 16-5-2012 by tw0330 because: (no reason given)

Actually, not really.
Moses said its best not to marry. He stated this as his opinion only mind you and said this came from him verses god, but basically he said marriage is just a big pain in the ass and it distracts you from being holy n stuff...
But if you must...don't say he didn't warn you...good luck with dealing with them women and their insanity. heh

Originally posted by tw0330
I have a tat that says "One Nation Under God" does that mean I am going to Hell?

If that's why you go to hell ? That would put me there also. So stick with me and do as I do. I guarantee they'll kick us out before the first day ends..

Originally posted by tw0330
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

How is it off topic when people are being so judgmental against Homosexuals.

Jesus was not sent to cast stones. He didn't come to judge others, but to be judged.

No, what I was about to say was off topic, not your post.
aka, off topic question coming...why didn't jesus cast stones.

Anyhow, the point is, he made a rule, he without sin cast the first stone.
He was a man, right? so, he followed the laws of god and man here on earth...(mostly gods)..and he made the rule...and he was theoretically without sin...
why then did he not follow the rule he just laid down, or is he above rules?

just a minor debate point that has nothing to do with this topic, but still always peaked my curiousity. Yes, the overall theme, Jesus was telling the crowd to back off...but the lawyer in me notes a rule made by him, then either broken by him, or telling that he himself may not have been without some sin...or erm, well, a few ways to think about that small paradox.

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interesting, I know Paul said that, but I did not know Moses did. Could you point to the passage?

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by Furbs

 

Jesus didn't say anything against homosexuality. My evidence is the Bible. Search all you want, you wont find it in there. If you think you find something in there, feel free to post it here.

Jesus didn't write the Bible. Not one thing in it was written BY HIM. So, your "evidence" can be searched until we're all dust, and it will never tell you what Jesus actually "said". It's all hearsay. ALL of it.

Jesus didn't write the Bible any more than Harry Potter wrote any of the Hogwarts books, but they are about him, and anything of merit that was said to either of these two characters is written within their pages. Neither Harry Potter or Jesus ever took a crap in their books, but my guess is that it happened. Why wasn't it included? Not important to the message of the story.

Originally posted by wildtimes
reply to post by AQuestion

 

You are a bigot and deceitful using whatever you can to promote a result rather than the truth.

Wait, WHAT??!!!! You didn't just say that, did you? Yeah, you did. You DID!! *slaps forehead and shakes head*

SaturnFX's paries have sliced your argument to ribbons. The OP presents a bit of information that he sourced, from a study he came across that was neither of his invention nor having to do with his "agenda". He is talking about whether the "faith" needs to reinvent itself or be allowed to die; he made no remark against homosexuals, or for them, either. He remains neutral on that topic, which is appropriate.

He is pointing out how YOUTHS see Christianity, according to the research group's chosen population for THEIR STUDY. They found what they found. How is that deceitful? How is it untrue?

Attacking his integrity and thoughtful deconstruction of what happened to "Christianity" is beyond lame....it's completely out of bounds. It is what it is. There is no room for "apologetics" here in this thread. The youth they questioned gave the answers they gave. The researchers published the findings they chose to publish.

The fact remains that, thank God!, much of today's youth is able to think critically, with empathy, and have the acumen to recognize HYPOCRISY when they see it, as well as HATE and JUDGMENT.

In my opinion, Saturn is the spot on, dead right, bulls-eye "winner" of this "debate." Christianity is an archaic relic of bigotry, hypocrisy, hidden agendas, control and fearmongering. It has no place in today's world.

Its essence lives on only in the personal spirituality of people who have rejected Organized Religion and refuse to be labelled a "Christian". And for my part, I'm glad of it. I'm part of it, too, but I do NOT consider myself a Christian. Everything I've learned about its hidden past, its atrocities and ongoing evil represents the OPPOSITE of what Christ wanted. He didn't even want churches or priests!

Yay for youths! You guys tell 'em!! Tell them what you SEE! They can whine and moan and fuss and throw verses at you all they want...who cares? Report what you see, and tell the world why you see it that way, how you feel about it, and what you think ought to be done about it!! Do it, do it!!

Deny ignorance. Please.
"Our lives begin to end the day we remain silent about things that matter." Dr Martin Luther King, Jr.

edit on 16-5-2012 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

Your fanatic defense of Saturn's Christian Bashings are unfounded.

"In my opinion, Saturn is the spot on, dead right, bulls-eye "winner" of this "debate." Christianity is an archaic relic of bigotry, hypocrisy, hidden agendas, control and fear mongering. It has no place in today's world. "
As pointed out by this totally ANTI Christian BIGOTRY of yours right above here.

Deny ignorance. Please.
"Our lives begin to end the day we remain silent about things that matter." Dr Martin Luther King, Jr.



And your quote from a heterosexual womanizer is hilarious.


Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. was writing an advice column in 1958 for Ebony magazine when he received an unusual letter.
“I am a boy,” an anonymous writer told King. “But I feel about boys the way I ought to feel about girls. I don't want my parents to know about me. What can I do?”

In calm, pastoral tones, King told the boy that his problem wasn't uncommon, but required “careful attention.”

“The type of feeling that you have toward boys is probably not an innate tendency, but something that has been culturally acquired,” King wrote. “You are already on the right road toward a solution, since you honestly recognize the problem and have a desire to solve it.”



What did MLK think about gay people? – CNN Belief Blog - CNN ...
religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/01/16/what-did-mlk-think-about-gay-people/

Jan 16, 2012 ... Martin Luther King Jr. was writing an advice column in 1958 for Ebony ... Martin Luther King Jr. thought about race, but what about gay rights?



So err do you have an opinion about the folks that wrote the Bible?
The Hebrews.

reply to post by SaturnFX


I thought it was Paul that recommended singleness? Depending on if a person had a certain degree of self control.
If not, he encouraged them to marry so as to avoid fornication.

reply to post by randyvs


Should be a fun ride, Lucifer would so hate me.

Would be interesting to see how many of those people that say we are going to hell would end up their themselves because of the worst sin of all, PRIDE.

The only reason I say it's the worst, is it is what keeps others from facing the other sins they commit.

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You are well versed I see. Good for you.

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Hells angels wouldn't have us if we still loved Christ. I call it, " Looking backwards thru the spyglass ". Turning hells own tricks back on it's self.