Christianity in one word: Anti-homosexual

Originally posted by longjohnbritches

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by dplum517
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

SnF man. I can see that posters in this thread are not really comprehending what the point of this is.

Your title is the overall feeling that the younger generations have towards the Church/Christians. So... a survey was done and that was the end result.... that basically we feel like the older generation is hating on gays and that community. And IMO... they are.

Wait...
You read and comprehended the ops?

Isn't that against ATS's TOS?!?!!

Mormans...aren't they the ones that said if you marry someone outside of your color, you will die?

Why do you make whack a mole harder by mentioning Mormons and death. Haven't you done enough religion bashing for the for seeable future.
Is Carl Marx one of your HEROS or do you think he SUCKS??

Was responding with a question to someone whom brought up mormans.
Carl Marx..love that guy. Funny stuff. the eyebrows, the glasses, the cigar.

Behind every successful man is a woman, behind her is his wife.

heh

or wait, no...thats Groucho Marx...is Carl that brother he had?

reply to post by SaturnFX


I beg to differ, sir.

Christianity in one word: Anti-homosexual

That's the thread title. You may as well say, "Love in one word: Lust".

reply to post by SaturnFX

Imagine how boring this site would be if everyone agreed.

Dare I say there would be no site ? UHH! I can't even think of it.

According to the Christian bible it is also.....

1)Anti-drunkard
2)Anti-adulterer
3)Anti-fornicator
4)Anti-idolater
5)Anti-thief
6)Anti-greed
7)Anti-murder

My question is of all the proclaimed sins of the bible why has society gone bananas over one mentioned amongst many?

This is a question that cuts both ways to both those that ferociously oppose it and those those that strongly support it.

well said, Thank You

reply to post by SaturnFX


Based on this reply, I'm going to stop taking this thread seriously.

If the rest of ATS wants to save themselves a headache, they should do the same. Either way, I'm out. OP has been proven wrong a dozen times over, he just reverses and rephrases the statement, before asking pointless questions and avoiding the actual bones of the thread.

Have a good one, guys.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Because it's a symptom of love.

And omg, we can't POSSIBLY tolerate any expression of love that doesn't reproduce and support the failing economy, can we?

Le gasp! Blasphemy!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Do I think christianity revolves around being just anti-gay? No

Ok, so you are in actuality disagreeing with the main headline in your thread?

edit on 16-5-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

The main headline of my thread addresses the study done by the barnes group.

you didn't read the ops...did you
DID YOU?!!!

Thats it...write on the chalkboard "I will read the ops before responding" 200 times!

Do I disagree with the -study-?
Well, no..I can't..its a study..its what the group feels.
I personally would not agree that Christianity is, in one word, anti-homosexual. I would use other words. But, my understanding of christianity is far more in depth than the average 18-26 year old anyhow.

My one word I would have said, if asked by that group, would be perhaps "confused".

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Based on this reply, I'm going to stop taking this thread seriously.

If the rest of ATS wants to save themselves a headache, they should do the same. Either way, I'm out. OP has been proven wrong a dozen times over, he just reverses and rephrases the statement, before asking pointless questions and avoiding the actual bones of the thread.

Have a good one, guys.

Yes, I have to take a guy seriously if he asks me if I love Karl Marx (spelled it wrong anyhow). Because...that is what the thread is about...its about me lubbing karl marx..and I have to seriously respond to every dimwitted statement based in..nothing.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

He is correct. This thread is ultimately about the vast perception of christianity by young adults...not my feelings about it, not if its right or wrong...it is about how christianity is branded as an anti-gay group moreso than anything else.

Now, people can then take that bit of info and go wherever they want with it...I was actually expecting some thoughtful "how do we send a good message out..how do we change this perception"..but instead, it has been a mountain of 'nuh uhh, we aren't all hateful, gays are unnatural, the ops is mean, etc etc etc"

completely missing the issue.

I really don't see a way to change the perception, since we've taken everything resembling God out of the equation as it relates to government, education, etc. If parents aren't instilling God into their children's lives, they certainly aren't going to know the difference when the topic is hashed and rehashed in the media. And we all know how lazy parents are today when it comes to directing their children's lives. They let everyone else do it for them.

reply to post by Starchild23

Because it's a symptom of love.

I think I know what your getting at here, but please elaborate in more detail

Originally posted by Starchild23
OP has been proven wrong a dozen times over, he just reverses and rephrases the statement, before asking pointless questions and avoiding the actual bones of the thread.

Wanted to address this also

How was I proven wrong on anything?

You realize this thread is not about my opinion, its about the study presented...its about a marketing issue.
I cannot be proven wrong, because I am not trying to prove anything to begin with...I am pointing at a study and saying...hey, you lot have a image issue.

You can attack the messenger all day long...that doesn't erase the issue at hand...and if you think somehow attacking me for my personal perception somehow makes the perception young adults have on the religion go away...well, then its clear where the image problem is coming from.

and hell, your not even a christian, yet you can't help but ignore the study and the core issue here...you are falling also into the attack the messenger...now imagine what people with a vested interest in the religion are thinking...

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Everyone (especially the government) is all about sex as a method of reproduction, or a method of pleasure. But gay sex, now that's something that signifies nothing more than a bonding of two human beings. Now only is this the opposite of the TPTB want to achieve (because hate makes more money than love) but it is also unproductive in the sense that less kids are being born. Less grocery shopping, less hospital visits, less school taxes, less everything.

And that's not what the government wants. Pure love...pure love, with no money facilitating or whatever the hell you want to call it. Gay sex is pure bonding, pure love, with no benefit for the system that rules over us. And that simple will not do.

That's what I'm saying.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Look, I already knew you did not disagree with the study. That is why you posted the study and proceeded to bash Christianity in light of it, using the study to prove your theory that Christians hate gays and that they are promoting gay-bashing as much as possible and this is why the youth are full of gay-hate. I am explaining to you that if there is even that high a focus on the subject at all, it is because it is constantly in the media, in the news, in the churches, and yes it is actively being promoted in the schools. Otherwise I doubt any one would care enough to discuss it.
I bet you have other ammunition in your arsenal of hatred against the Christian community though.

reply to post by SaturnFX


That's easy.

Anyone who has read the Bible knows that anti-homosexuality is not the only thing it preaches. That is not the only thing it talks about.

If you want to talk about certain types of Christians, then you might have a point. But the religion itself is not reflected by how the people interpret it. Rather, you can tell the people by how they interpret the religion.

People are more willing to follow rules that echo sentiments within their soul. If they disagree, they are more lenient. If they agree, they are more strict, more faithful.

The religion is not purely anti-homosexual. Some of the followers are, but not Christianity. You're barking up the wrong tree.

This is my point.

Originally posted by Deetermined

Originally posted by SaturnFX

He is correct. This thread is ultimately about the vast perception of christianity by young adults...not my feelings about it, not if its right or wrong...it is about how christianity is branded as an anti-gay group moreso than anything else.

Now, people can then take that bit of info and go wherever they want with it...I was actually expecting some thoughtful "how do we send a good message out..how do we change this perception"..but instead, it has been a mountain of 'nuh uhh, we aren't all hateful, gays are unnatural, the ops is mean, etc etc etc"

completely missing the issue.

I really don't see a way to change the perception, since we've taken everything resembling God out of the equation as it relates to government, education, etc. If parents aren't instilling God into their children's lives, they certainly aren't going to know the difference when the topic is hashed and rehashed in the media. And we all know how lazy parents are today when it comes to directing their children's lives. They let everyone else do it for them.

What I would do is simple actually

Make a superstar
A gay christian superstar..a preacher.
And not one of those I used to be gay types...rather, a full blown having a partner gay christian and explain he knows he is a sinner...but aren't we all..the message of christianity isn't for everyone to hate sinners, else there would be nobody to love, but rather to accept and give forgivness from each other and etc etc etc.

And whenever WBC arrives, have 3 times more christians preaching love to check them right across the street.
Whenever there is some bigot christian running his mouth, have a pariah screaming love the sinner, turn the cheek, judge not, etc...
saturate out the hatefest with messages of love, acceptance, and jesus.

Originally posted by Starchild23
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Based on this reply, I'm going to stop taking this thread seriously.

If the rest of ATS wants to save themselves a headache, they should do the same. Either way, I'm out. OP has been proven wrong a dozen times over, he just reverses and rephrases the statement, before asking pointless questions and avoiding the actual bones of the thread.

Have a good one, guys.

And there you have the problem with taking the extreme high road with anything on this site. I found this out with a few threads of mine. The wording can be taken in ways you never imagined.

I think Star has a good point that is hard for Saturn to find his way around. That's being pretty tough on you Saturn but that's what I see.

reply to post by Starchild23


Interesting, I thought that the TPTB want the population reduced of this planet, gay relationships would seem to help there plan along, not hinder it as you say. See the Georgia Guide Stones.

reply to post by Blue_Jay33


Hardly. TPTB helped establish the current monetary system, the last thing they want is to hinder the flow of green. Depopulation would do just that. Especially when money powers every operation and bribes every official they currently have playing their game.

However, they might very well be interested in zombifying the human species. Much better to manipulate and produce, that way.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Look, I already knew you did not disagree with the study. That is why you posted the study and proceeded to bash Christianity in light of it, using the study to prove your theory that Christians hate gays and that they are promoting gay-bashing as much as possible and this is why the youth are full of gay-hate. I am explaining to you that if there is even that high a focus on the subject at all, it is because it is constantly in the media, in the news, in the churches, and yes it is actively being promoted in the schools. Otherwise I doubt any one would care enough to discuss it.
I bet you have other ammunition in your arsenal of hatred against the Christian community though.

edit on 16-5-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)

Oh, I am generally anti-religious. Thats not some big leap in judgement..you know me well enough to know I am not a fan of religions
But, if religions are harmless to progress and treat all equal and with love, and not try to annoy me by telling me what I am doing is worthy of eternal torture...then great...have at it.
Christianity needs to be reinvented..the current archaic dark ages mentality is dying on the vine, and I say good riddance.
I am a fan of personal spirituality though...I promote people finding their personal connection to things greater than themselves..be it through some book belief system, or just meditation and inner contemplation.

the organization though..ya..that needs to go as it is now...
and it is going
and some are reinventing it in a more modern and progressive appeal that allows unity with our species progression...

If Christianity was known for just their love of one another, peace even in conflicting times, charity, and helping one another regardless of how you feel about a persons personal lifestyle...I would have only good things to say about it.

But..you and I know thats not all there is to it. Christianity is a political organization..the personal salvation is just their funding..right next to charging people to stick their dead in the ground.. Its a control game.

This study doesn't surprise me at all. My curiousity is simple..
what is anyone going to do about it? Anything? guess not.