Ron Paul speaks out on the MSM blackout and recently won states.

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by dragonridr

 

You just spent an hour writing that post when there is an entire thread of over 30 pages debunking the whole racism issue.

Obviously, you wouldn't do your homework and just cherry pick information that has already been debunked because you were, A) too lazy to look up or B) too ignorant to understand.



And yes, the more rolling eyes smileys you use, the more correct you are.

edit on 13-5-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)

Only in your mind was it debunked and if we buy the excuse someone else wrote it guess what hes still responsible then he created a news letter for racism. Either way shows hes incompetent and has no idea what his people are doing( not a good idea for a president). Or hes a racist take your pick either way proves hes not ready to be president. Because part of being president is to make sure you hire people that will promote your beliefs!!!!! So keep plying this game he didnt know but then why did he defend it in his 1996 run? Ill tell you why he thought he could actually win with his racist views.

As the old saying goes you can put lipstick on a pig but its still a pig.

reply to post by dragonridr


It was over when Ron Paul apologized for it and took moral responsibility for the ghost writer...4 YEARS ago. Yet those of you will still dwell because the MSM brings it up or you need something to attack him with but there is obviously nothing for you to use.

The time window of the 'newsletters in question' was a few months, just so coincided with the hiring and exit of said employee.

If anyone is going to call Ron Paul a racist, back it up with facts, don't back peddle and say "well..well...he's not competent in who he hires!"

What do you REALLY have against Ron Paul, why don't you create a thread and lay it all out for debate instead of having petty arguments about who he may or may not have hired 20-30 years ago?

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by dragonridr

 

The time window of the 'newsletters in question' was a few months, just so coincided with the hiring and exit of said employee.

If anyone is going to call Ron Paul a racist, back it up with facts, don't back peddle and say "well..well...he's not competent in who he hires!"

What do you REALLY have against Ron Paul, why don't you create a thread and lay it all out for debate instead of having petty arguments about who he may or may not have hired 20-30 years ago?

edit on 13-5-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)

You really are a lost cause arent you. Well please run Ron Paul it would guarantee a victory for Obama and keep him and his followers far away from the white house.And trust me thats better then anything Obama could do over the next 4 years! I really hate how far right people have moved to the point reality doesnt matter anymore must be nice to have nothing like the truth get in the way of your convictions.Look just because you agree strongly with him on one issue dont throw out everything backing a lame horse.

Originally posted by eLPresidente


If I was too busy to write my own posts and needed to have it done, I'd pay somebody to do it.

You would pay someone else to write their own thoughts and opinions under your name if you were too busy to do it? What? If you were too busy to do what? Express some other person's opinion? I do not get why you would pay someone else to write something they want because you are too busy to express yourself. Do you need to have a certain number of posts a day?
Why would anyone pay someone else to express someone else' opinion under their name?

In the time that the paid employee used my accounts to post material I didn't believe, I wouldn't be happy.

In fact, I would apologize for it and take moral responsibility for it.

Originally posted by dragonridr

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by dragonridr

 

The time window of the 'newsletters in question' was a few months, just so coincided with the hiring and exit of said employee.

If anyone is going to call Ron Paul a racist, back it up with facts, don't back peddle and say "well..well...he's not competent in who he hires!"

What do you REALLY have against Ron Paul, why don't you create a thread and lay it all out for debate instead of having petty arguments about who he may or may not have hired 20-30 years ago?

edit on 13-5-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)

You really are a lost cause arent you. Well please run Ron Paul it would guarantee a victory for Obama and keep him and his followers far away from the white house.And trust me thats better then anything Obama could do over the next 4 years! I really hate how far right people have moved to the point reality doesnt matter anymore must be nice to have nothing like the truth get in the way of your convictions.Look just because you agree strongly with him on one issue dont throw out everything backing a lame horse.

Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about the newsletters, who wrote them, and how it involves Ron Paul.

Did you really just change the subject to avoid having to face the reality that you're wrong?

Yes, attack me for bringing up valid points against your argument, then change the subjects.


Then when I call members like you trolls, its because I don't agree with you. LOL.

reply to post by eLPresidente


What is the point of publishing something in your own name if it is really not at all what you think or want to say? I do not get that? Did he need to put out a newsletter and he needed some material, any material? Nothing you have said is making sense to me.

reply to post by Autumnal



Seriously? You asked a hypothetical question and I answered it. You took my answer and turned it into 10 hypotheticals.

Yes, Ron Paul apologized and took moral responsibility, you haven't heard it and are denying he said it because you refuse to look for and/or acknowledge the truth.

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by Autumnal

 

Seriously? You asked a hypothetical question and I answered it. You took my answer and turned it into 10 hypotheticals.

No, your answer did not make any sense at all. Too busy to do what? To post on ATS? Why not just wait until you have time then? Why pay someone else to post their own opinions under your logon? I do not get your answer. What are the other 10 hypotheticals?

Yes, Ron Paul apologized and took moral responsibility, you haven't heard it and are denying he said it because you refuse to look for and/or acknowledge the truth.

I asked you when and where he did that.
Now I am asking a second time.
That right there is my admitting I have not heard it.
So let me hear it. Let me read it. Let me see it.
I cannot just take your word for it.
I do see denials and I can point to those.
So point me to this.

Originally posted by Autumnal

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by Autumnal

 

Seriously? You asked a hypothetical question and I answered it. You took my answer and turned it into 10 hypotheticals.

No, your answer did not make any sense at all. Too busy to do what? To post on ATS? Why not just wait until you have time then? Why pay someone else to post their own opinions under your logon? I do not get your answer. What are the other 10 hypotheticals?

Yes, Ron Paul apologized and took moral responsibility, you haven't heard it and are denying he said it because you refuse to look for and/or acknowledge the truth.

I asked you when and where he did that.
Now I am asking a second time.
That right there is my admitting I have not heard it.

So let me hear it. Let me read it. Let me see it.
I cannot just take your word for it.
I do see denials and I can point to those.
So point me to this.

interview is here, I prefer you search things on your own from now on so you can come to factual/real-world conclusions before making assumptions in a forum where 'DENY IGNORANCE' is the motto.


As for your hypothetical question, I gave you a hypothetical answer. You asked me if I would let somebody post under my name and my hypothetical answer was that if I had to do it, it would be because I'm too busy and had to pay somebody else to do it.

If that doesn't satisfy you, I really don't know what will.

Originally posted by eLPresidente

Originally posted by dragonridr

Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by dragonridr

 

The time window of the 'newsletters in question' was a few months, just so coincided with the hiring and exit of said employee.

If anyone is going to call Ron Paul a racist, back it up with facts, don't back peddle and say "well..well...he's not competent in who he hires!"

What do you REALLY have against Ron Paul, why don't you create a thread and lay it all out for debate instead of having petty arguments about who he may or may not have hired 20-30 years ago?

edit on 13-5-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)

You really are a lost cause arent you. Well please run Ron Paul it would guarantee a victory for Obama and keep him and his followers far away from the white house.And trust me thats better then anything Obama could do over the next 4 years! I really hate how far right people have moved to the point reality doesnt matter anymore must be nice to have nothing like the truth get in the way of your convictions.Look just because you agree strongly with him on one issue dont throw out everything backing a lame horse.

Wait a minute, I thought we were talking about the newsletters, who wrote them, and how it involves Ron Paul.

Did you really just change the subject to avoid having to face the reality that you're wrong?

Yes, attack me for bringing up valid points against your argument, then change the subjects.


Then when I call members like you trolls, its because I don't agree with you. LOL.

What valid points when i showed you he didnt all ways deny writing them you ignore that.Then i show you the writer just happen to live in his home town but he claims it wasnt him.Again you ignored that by changing the subject (just what your accusing me of).Then when i see your hopeless i simply make a comment.But if you want to play ill play Ron Pauls a politician right? Politicians main focus is there ideas would you agree? So People who traffic in ideas have a responsibility to monitor what goes out under their names. Had someone published such offensive drivel under mine, I'd be furious, and I'd damn well identify and repudiate the author. Why has Paul failed to do so?

Let me put it to you this way i understand your beliefs in the erosion of civil liberties im an independent and i see it.But should you make your champion a man of mixed motives and selective courage who either is a racist or tried to use racism to profit his campaign? . Hes never denied to writing them until this election cycle doesnt that strike you as odd?

Originally posted by eLPresidente
interview is here, I prefer you search things on your own from now on so you can come to factual/real-world conclusions before making assumptions in a forum where 'DENY IGNORANCE' is the motto.

I have searched on my own thanks and all I find is this crap. Ron Paul NOT taking moral responsibility but denying he had anything to do with what was published under his name and blaming someone else for it.

As for your hypothetical question, I gave you a hypothetical answer.

It was not a hypothetical question, it was a real question.
You gave me a nonsense answer.

You asked me if I would let somebody post under my name and my hypothetical answer was that if I had to do it, it would be because I'm too busy and had to pay somebody else to do it.

I know what your answer was and it does not make any more sense by repeating it. I still do not get why you have to have something posted under your name so badly that you would employ someone else to express themselves in your stead. Why you cannot just wait until you have time to write your own post and let your mystery man express himself on his own makes no sense to me.

Too busy to post on ATS but HAD to do it? Why the hell do you HAVE to do it?

If that doesn't satisfy you, I really don't know what will.

What? Ron Paul denying any responsibility or you repeating your nonsense?

reply to post by Domo1

Lol I have a black friend! Ron Paul was still dumb enough to allow his na,e to be attached to those news letters. Great presidential candidate. He needs to stick to delivering babies and stay out of politics. His political career has been one of constant failure.

Again, great character assassination. Romney was dumb enough to beat up on a gay kid in high school. How stupid of him not to consider the political fall out when he might think about running for president.

Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by Domo1

 

Lol I have a black friend! Ron Paul was still dumb enough to allow his na,e to be attached to those news letters. Great presidential candidate. He needs to stick to delivering babies and stay out of politics. His political career has been one of constant failure.

Again, great character assassination. Romney was dumb enough to beat up on a gay kid in high school. How stupid of him not to consider the political fall out when he might think about running for president.

Well were making progress now at least your admitting Ron Paul is racist.Though the other guy did it too defense really doesnt get you very far in politics.

The comments on this thread is a perfect example of a whole bunch of ATS members wanting the best for their country by being so frigging negative and instead of saying "I will post this video on my FB" or any other social media to gather attention, you are making assumptions of how Ron Paul is already a loser because he can't come up with 650K.

REALLY?

And you complain about your country's (USA) current state? Please!

reply to post by dragonridr

Well were making progress now at least your admitting Ron Paul is racist.Though the other guy did it too defense really doesnt get you very far in politics.

Admitting no such thing. However, if the newspaper issue is the worst people can do to Ron Paul (other than calling him RuPaul or Crazy Uncle Ron, or any other character smearing name that people can come up with) then he's doing pretty good. At least he's got a birth certificate and he doesn't like firing people.

I wouldn't mind this back and forth if we were talking about real issues and why they were or weren't important rather than just saying he's a racist, a joke, and will ruin this country. That has nothing to do with the issues and everything to do with a person that just wants to make another person look bad because they represent a threat to the establishment and its status quo. The more people attack Ron, ignore him, or push fake slates at conventions, the more it is apparent that the anti-Paul people are scared and can't come up with anything better as they are on the defensive.

And as to the OP and the delegate game, the Anti-Paul crowd has posited that Paul is somehow doing something underhanded in the way he has been picking up delegates (and he has been picking up delegates) and yet, the irony is that it is Paul's delegates sticking to Roberts Rules of Order that is helping them prevail against the attacks.

This does not look like the map of a guy who is fighting a losing battle, but rather the map of someone that has a fighting chance.

Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by dragonridr

 

Well were making progress now at least your admitting Ron Paul is racist.Though the other guy did it too defense really doesnt get you very far in politics.

Admitting no such thing. However, if the newspaper issue is the worst people can do to Ron Paul (other than calling him RuPaul or Crazy Uncle Ron, or any other character smearing name that people can come up with) then he's doing pretty good. At least he's got a birth certificate and he doesn't like firing people.

I wouldn't mind this back and forth if we were talking about real issues and why they were or weren't important rather than just saying he's a racist, a joke, and will ruin this country. That has nothing to do with the issues and everything to do with a person that just wants to make another person look bad because they represent a threat to the establishment and its status quo. The more people attack Ron, ignore him, or push fake slates at conventions, the more it is apparent that the anti-Paul people are scared and can't come up with anything better as they are on the defensive.

And as to the OP and the delegate game, the Anti-Paul crowd has posited that Paul is somehow doing something underhanded in the way he has been picking up delegates (and he has been picking up delegates) and yet, the irony is that it is Paul's delegates sticking to Roberts Rules of Order that is helping them prevail against the attacks.

This does not look like the map of a guy who is fighting a losing battle, but rather the map of someone that has a fighting chance.

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So again your excusing him for grabbing delegates and disrupting caucus proceedings even if its underhanded but the minute another candidate starts disrupting his shenanigans there cheating?So you go by the alls fair in love and war as long as its your candidate benefiting.And yet you truly wonder why people dont take him to be a serious candidate? Wow im done with you your too far gone.

reply to post by dragonridr

So again your excusing him for grabbing delegates and disrupting caucus proceedings even if its underhanded but the minute another candidate starts disrupting his shenanigans there cheating?

Did you miss the part where I mentioned Roberts Rules of Order and the fact that they were playing by the rules. How are they disrupting caucus proceedings? By ensuring that the people have a voice? By not bowing down to Romney and just dropping out? There is nothing underhanded about what Ron Paul is doing--he is playing by the rules.

Originally posted by coyotepoet
Admitting no such thing. However, if the newspaper issue is the worst people can do to Ron Paul (other than calling him RuPaul or Crazy Uncle Ron, or any other character smearing name that people can come up with) then he's doing pretty good. At least he's got a birth certificate and he doesn't like firing people.

If having a birth certificate and not enjoying firing people is the best he has then Obama is going to win. He has more than that. He says he does not like people losing jobs either. He also has a birth certificate. The kicker is, he is also already president of the United States. Hey can Paul say he has ever done that? He has run for it a few times now, correct? Did he ever get the job? Obama got the job and trumps or equals out the two things you gave us so what is my motivation to vote for someone I have very different opinions with on many things again?

Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by dragonridr

 

So again your excusing him for grabbing delegates and disrupting caucus proceedings even if its underhanded but the minute another candidate starts disrupting his shenanigans there cheating?

Did you miss the part where I mentioned Roberts Rules of Order and the fact that they were playing by the rules. How are they disrupting caucus proceedings? By ensuring that the people have a voice? By not bowing down to Romney and just dropping out? There is nothing underhanded about what Ron Paul is doing--he is playing by the rules.

Who is not playing by the rules?
Please be specific about what rules they are breaking and all that jazz if ya could. Thanks.

reply to post by hoochymama


I thought about that dinner 35000 a plate dinner party Obummer had, As RP mentioned that 2500 is the legal max amount allowed by FED law!!! Hmm