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Originally posted by Propulsion
I will vote for RP either way, but don’t you see the logic in RP switching over to a third party candidate?
1.RP would take away all the loyal voters who will not roll over for Romney.
2.He would take most of the independent voters.
3.He would gain all the democrats who will not vote for a republican.
Originally posted by vkey08
Originally posted by coyotepoet
1) Continued mandate to educate ALL children free of charge and without parents of Special Needs children having to fork out 99% of their salary to pay for the extra services, which unfortunately would happen without the education mandates.
2) Continued social programs to help those who cannot help themselves. Eliminating HUD (I just noticed that that was also on his list) would eliminate several wonderful housing programs that help people (i'm not talking about Mortgage crap either, if you wanna know everything HUD does, look it up)
Please tell me what my family is supposed to do during this transition of yours without the safeguards in the system now? As many of you Paulites have said to me "Not our problem, You should have enough with these changes to make it" I did the math, and unless I make 170K per year PER child that i have, without two of the agencies that Dr Paul wants to cut, I'd be homeless and starving. And before you say I'm just taking taking taking, I work, I make money, I buy my own health insurance, I pay for most of the kids needs and wants, pay a mortgage, pay the utilities, BUT without the mandates and kick-in's that happen now, my school district would eliminate the programs these kids use and I would have to pay 170 thousand dollars a year PER child to educate them..
No Can't vote for a man that would force that on my family while we're struggling to keep ends met as it is. If you're so in love with Dr Paul, have him come on here to ATS and answer my questions directly.... I bet he can't, or just doesn't care past his fevered rhetoric. Just like most of the people who follow him... "OH MY GOD IT HAS TO BE DONE OR OUR COUNTRY IS DONE FOR" And you say anything that is against him is fear mongering?
I'll discuss this privately with anyone i'm done being trashed by people who can't see beyond the glitz and glamor of the next "big thing" to see that there would be many more issues created, than solved.
First off education in this country sucks for the most part, I wouldn't send my kids to public school. How many kids do you have? Can you support all your kids off of what you make a year? If you look at what Dr. Paul has said which is let the states hash out stuff like that on their own. The federal government has no place in feeding and housing you and your family. Why should my tax dollars go to feed someone who doesn't believe in contraception and has 8 kids and clearly can't support them? I choose to live with in my means, and if that means only having one kid then so be it I can only afford one kid... It's simple budgeting not hard math. When did it become the job of the federal government to reward stupidity? I have worked 2 jobs my whole life, came from a family that worked every day of their lives and never once took a hand out from the state or the fed. We made due with what we had. Now I am not opposed to helping those in need. Keyword there is IN NEED, welfare is widely abused under the current system and needs an overhaul, just like many of the other problems we are facing.
With a smaller government states and the people of the states have more say so in policy reform and application. And if the Fedral government is running thin and not blowing trillions on pipe dreams and endless wars, every one will have more money. I mean it's simple simple to see we as a nation have no money left. What do you do in your house hold when you have no money left? Go open up a new credit card or cut your spending and save what money you have?edit on 12-5-2012 by Danish because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by dragonridr
Originally posted by CoolStoryMan
Originally posted by dragonridr
Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by hoochymama
Its delusional to make money for your campaign? Ron Paul is on that video begging for scraps so I suppose you consider him delusional as well. He sure has vocal fanbois but they arent helping him much. I assume because the numbers just arent there. Good guy, terrifying if he became president.
No its because most of his supporters are broke.They spend most of there money on survivalist gear my god look what he wants to do! If he had his way the us government would be 5 guys sitting in an office in DC.And the military Be a couple of rental cops guarding them.
But thank god for him every now and then i start to doubt the decision i made voting for Obama but then i run across the nutty Republicans and i reminds me i dont want any of them in office.
Wow i've never read such pure garbage on this site, unlike the clowns the banks back up, normal everyday people are the one donating to RP. I guess we could all be like you condescending folk, and let the banks and major corporations do all the talking, that sure is leading our nation in a positive direction huh?
Well i strongly suggest against continuing your support hes lost at this point your just donating to his retirement. Oh and by the way i agree about the banking problem and guess who else does.Obama so i guess you might as well vote for him since Romney is probably going to be a big boon for wall street.
So he will encourage alternative therapies. I doubt a man so concerned with giving big business the keys to the country will be doing anything to big pharma. Your respose doesnt address how he will ensure doctors work for free.
We'll be getting through the ''depression'' phase when even the most deluded of Paulbots accepts that he's got absolutely no chance, and then, thankfully, we'll finally get to the ''acceptance'' phase, and ATS will be a far better place again!
Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by vkey08
not all children would receive an education (as is now mandated)
What's mandated in education now? That children regurgitate test answers and engage in a system designed by the Rockefeller foundation to create good industrial robots.
The whole point is that what we have in many arenas: finance, education, medicine, politics, it's all broken. It's all a set up to ensure debt, struggle, and servitude for the 99%. People say they want change but keep voting for the same thing over and over because, deep down, they are afraid of what change really means.
Originally posted by ajay59
Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by vkey08
not all children would receive an education (as is now mandated)
What's mandated in education now? That children regurgitate test answers and engage in a system designed by the Rockefeller foundation to create good industrial robots.
The whole point is that what we have in many arenas: finance, education, medicine, politics, it's all broken. It's all a set up to ensure debt, struggle, and servitude for the 99%. People say they want change but keep voting for the same thing over and over because, deep down, they are afraid of what change really means.
Why bother discussing semantics with people who are paid to sabotage critical thinking? You are most welcome to discuss intellectual concepts with an actual free-thinking person such as myself! I am so sick of the shills trying to pick apart the only man who maintains a level of integrity never seen in politics! At this point I am straining to maintain a modicum of decorum and humanity!
For anyone to wish for the continuation of the status quo, is obviously miss-leading to say the least! Granted, change can be a scary concept but for anyone to revert to stone-aged ideals, is undoubtedly a step in the wrong direction, whether intentional or not!edit on 13-5-2012 by ajay59 because: to amend
Yeah lets put up the white racist against the black man.You guys are hillarious im sure thats going to go over so well.Funny how the Ron Paul people picj 1 thing they like about him and overlook all the crazy stuff he says.
Originally posted by dragonridr
Yeah lets put up the white racist against the black man.You guys are hillarious im sure thats going to go over so well.Funny how the Ron Paul people picj 1 thing they like about him and overlook all the crazy stuff he says.
Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by dragonridr
Yeah lets put up the white racist against the black man.You guys are hillarious im sure thats going to go over so well.Funny how the Ron Paul people picj 1 thing they like about him and overlook all the crazy stuff he says.
And it's funny how people like you fall back on character assassination without substance, trotting out the already disavowed newsletters as a "proof" that Ron Paul is a card carrying racist. So many of your posts are like that, transparently so.
Originally posted by Autumnal
reply to post by eLPresidente
I need to ask you something.
Do you ever let other people write your posts for you? Do you let other people log on and write things under your name, next to your avatar? Do you then use that as an excuse if anyone calls out something in your posts as wrong? Do you suggest that you do not need to defend what is written in your posts because sometimes you let someone else write stuff under your own name but it is not stuff you will defend nor even claim to have known about?
Would you or do you do that?