Ron Paul speaks out on the MSM blackout and recently won states.

Originally posted by FeatherofMaat
reply to post by NeoVain

 

I'm probably the first in line to say that Ron Paul is an absolute loon on many of his policies and that said policies would end a Nation. BUT . .. I will absolutely be first in line to say he is not only getting screwed by the GOP brass but also by the MSM. It is clear they are intentionally sticking it to the man and the GOP's actions border on fraud.

There not intentionally sticking it to him hes just inconsequential.At this point he hasnt figured out he cant win and hes only got 82 delegates. The guy running in west Virginia would have a better chance of beating Obama and hes in jail.

Long live the mullet im working on his 3rd party platform!!!

reply to post by vkey08


Many people talk about RP's "extreme" ideas as a reason why he shouldn't win. But here's the thing, the man is smart enough to know that there has to be a transition period. He's not going to take office one day and change everything completely the next. To suggest that he would is fear mongering against the idea of change to the system, because the system we have is working so well.

Let's get past the grease on the fluff and look at the issues:

Oh and let's not forget the Dept of Health and Human Services, yes those people that have programs for those who cannot afford insurance, oh heaven forbid anyone who needs care isn't able to get it.. oh wait, Liberty Liberty Liberty......... so what if hundreds of thousands die because they can't get drugs or medical care, it's all in the name of liberty.........

Here's Paul's response on his own site:

Regarding the current system:

In these United States of America, many people cannot afford even basic health insurance. They suffer severely under the present system and have to live under the constant fear of not knowing what they will do if they or their loved ones ever fall seriously ill.

But in many cases, insured individuals aren’t much better off either. In comparison to the exorbitant insurance premiums they pay, the medical care they receive is often very poor.

Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.

For instance, how many people know that Cannabis was proven to shrink cancer tumors in research done at a university and published in a cancer journal in 1976? Pot can't be patented (unless it's called Marinol) and so was not pursued. The flap over Obamacare? The insurance companies got to it and insured their pound of flesh.

Here's RP's solution and his opinion should be considered expert in this area as he is a doctor.

There is only one solution that will lead to true health and true freedom: making health care more affordable. Ron Paul believes that only true free market competition will put pressure on the providers and force them to lower their costs to remain in business. Additionally, Ron Paul wants to change the tax code to allow individual Americans to fully deduct all health care costs from their taxes.

Through these measures and the elimination of government-sponsored health care monopolies a much larger number of people will be able to finally access affordable health care, either by paying for medical insurance or by covering their medical expenses, which are now much lower, out of their own pocket.

As for the poor and the severely ill who can neither obtain insurance nor pay for the medical care they need, Ron Paul offers the following solution in his book “The Revolution: A Manifesto“:

In the days before Medicare and Medicaid, the poor and elderly were admitted to hospitals at the same rate they are now, and received good care. Before those programs came into existence, every physician understood that he or she had a responsibility towards the less fortunate and free medical care was the norm. Hardly anyone is aware of this today, since it doesn’t fit into the typical, by the script story of government rescuing us from a predatory private sector.

Doing something because it's the right thing. What a nutty concept.

Getting rid of the NOAA, I guess noone gives a crap about the weather, and hurricane warnings, etc.... Let's just shunt all that onto the states, oh wait.... the states don't own the equipment, nor do they have the training to operate it

No but a wise transition plan would include time to train and develop such things on a state level, divying up the equipment. Again, this wouldn't be a 2 day transition. But the movement to a state level system would also create jobs.

Emergency services as well? Sorry, you didn't pay your local Fire, Ambulance and Police fee..... Not our fault that you're gonna die horribly in that fire, or that you just had a heart attack...

Blatant fear mongering. RP has more respect for human life than to let that happen.

reply to post by coyotepoet

Yes bringing our troops home is a good idea, never said it wasn't, however......... should that also mean we give up on assisting our treaty obligations? and stop defending our allies in Europe or Asia? well silly me, I forgot.... treaties mean nothing, just paper, we dont' have to honor them..

Again, there will be a transition but don't fool yourself, we are not in countries all over the world to defend our allies. We are there to ensure American hegemony. And, BTW, treaties do mean nothing in a historical context. Do you know how many treaties with the American Indians have been kept over time? None.

As for the economy, people don't realize just how corrupt the Fed and current system are. Admittedly this is a hard one but a few Deus ex Machina solutions: Debt Jubilee because it was based on a broken system. If people don't have house/car/credit card/student loan payments to worry about, their money can go to truly useful things in a person's day to day life like eating. A barter, resource based economy-I have a skill I trade for a need. Works well without the Federal Reserve. A return to human compassion and helping people because it is the right thing to do, not because I will get remuneration.

I think that this fear of a RP presidency is being generated because people have been cowed into not looking for solutions that don't include the status quo.

Double post

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by hoochymama

 

Its delusional to make money for your campaign? Ron Paul is on that video begging for scraps so I suppose you consider him delusional as well. He sure has vocal fanbois but they arent helping him much. I assume because the numbers just arent there. Good guy, terrifying if he became president.

I will be sending monetary support to Dr. Paul! I believe in what he stands for! Can you say the same for whatever puppet you are in support of? Or does it work the other way round in your case?

Ron Paul supporters are great people,
but they have to learn to LET IT GO..

Paul was simply NOT PICKED by THE PEOPLE..

Don't go around whining because *your guy the last hope for humanity*
Didn't win.

He didn't get cheated, these conspiracy theories are getting
quite freaking crazy..

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Ron Paul supporters are great people,
but they have to learn to LET IT GO..

Paul was simply NOT PICKED by THE PEOPLE..

Don't go around whining because *your guy the last hope for humanity*
Didn't win.

He didn't get cheated, these conspiracy theories are getting
quite freaking crazy..

Your post could be taken seriously if you were indeed a voice for the people! You are in no way, shape or form, a voice for me! To whom are you referring when you mistakenly reference "the people"?

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Ron Paul supporters are great people,
but they have to learn to LET IT GO..

Paul was simply NOT PICKED by THE PEOPLE..

Don't go around whining because *your guy the last hope for humanity*
Didn't win.

He didn't get cheated, these conspiracy theories are getting
quite freaking crazy..

Ron paul supporters are like those 2 guys after the party.You know the ones all your guests have gone and these two wont leave then you finnally have to get rude and tell them to go home.So let me put it this way Ron Pauls election bid is OVER go home people!!

reply to post by NeoVain



Sorry for the one-liner but, Awesome. He's not perfect, but definitely doing everything right and sticking to it.

Originally posted by dragonridr

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Ron Paul supporters are great people,
but they have to learn to LET IT GO..

Paul was simply NOT PICKED by THE PEOPLE..

Don't go around whining because *your guy the last hope for humanity*
Didn't win.

He didn't get cheated, these conspiracy theories are getting
quite freaking crazy..

Ron paul supporters are like those 2 guys after the party.You know the ones all your guests have gone and these two wont leave then you finnally have to get rude and tell them to go home.So let me put it this way Ron Pauls election bid is OVER go home people!!

Unfortunately your opinion is unsupported and unwarranted. If you feel so strongly, then why not sell us on your point instead of cut downs and insinuations ? One of the biggest issues is, the ones that fear change just get defensive and spout off. How about information and facts and we can make decisions based on those ???

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Ron Paul supporters are great people,
but they have to learn to LET IT GO..

Paul was simply NOT PICKED by THE PEOPLE..

Don't go around whining because *your guy the last hope for humanity*
Didn't win.

He didn't get cheated, these conspiracy theories are getting
quite freaking crazy..

No no he wasn't picked by big business and the corrupt GOP. Tons of the people love Dr. Paul, your main stream media blinders are on. I suggest you remove them and look at the world with open eyes.

Originally posted by dragonridr

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Ron Paul supporters are great people,
but they have to learn to LET IT GO..

Paul was simply NOT PICKED by THE PEOPLE..

Don't go around whining because *your guy the last hope for humanity*
Didn't win.

He didn't get cheated, these conspiracy theories are getting
quite freaking crazy..

Ron paul supporters are like those 2 guys after the party.You know the ones all your guests have gone and these
two wont leave then you finnally have to get rude and tell them to go home.So let me put it this way Ron Pauls election bid is OVER go home people!!

And your just over joyed old mitts or obammy is going to be president? Sure you are because you want to see America bankrupt, or maybe you just hate America?

To each their own but you have not made one solid point on why you think Dr. Paul can't win. All we here from you is crap, it's " well he's not my mancurian candidate so I will fight all the educated people". Dont be a sheep man, open your eyes and see MAJOR CHANGE NEED TO HAPPEN and mittens and obammy don't want any change they are both happy to run America to the ground.

I can't believe Americans can be so dumb, oh wait yes I can I mean peopel in America care more about their favorite rapper or celebrity than the economy...... Makes me sick

Great message by Ron Paul... The only candidate drawing thousands of actual people at his rallies.

reply to post by popsmayhem
You have some interesting ideas there, let's see some real Romney supporters. Don't upload the video of the paid ones though, that would be counter intuitive to your theory that they actually exist.

reply to post by coyotepoet


His solution for people who cant afford medical care is trusting that doctors will treat them for free? Mkay who pays for the drugs? I appreciate your point that there would be a transition period though.

reply to post by Domo1

Mkay who pays for the drugs?

This was addressed in my post:

Additionally, due to the government-enforced monopolies of HMOs (Health Maintenance Organizations) and pharmaceutical companies, many patients will never even hear about some of the most effective and non-invasive treatment methods. These natural and inexpensive ways of regaining one’s health are being suppressed by the FDA and the medical establishment not because of safety concerns (they’ve been around for hundreds of years), but because they cannot be patented and would therefore cut into the pharmaceutical industry’s profits.

It would also mean dismantling Big Pharma's stranglehold on meds for profit. I have seen first hand how much money they spend on marketing their drugs to psychiatrists for instance. Drugs don't have to be nearly as expensive as they are nor should cheaper, effective non-drug remedies be ignored as they have been in the name of profit. Your argument assumes that everything else changes but Big Pharma continues on with business as usual.

Originally posted by coyotepoet


Doing something because it's the right thing. What a nutty concept.

edit on 12-5-2012 by coyotepoet because: (no reason given)

This line sticks out... Who is he to state that all of these changes are the right thing? Who are you? I do not take Dr Paul's Medical opinion as expert (unless he was talking about Gynecological issues and even then) above others, without fail, that's insanity in itself, ever hear of a second opinion?

You hit my point though in your response, you are unwilling to see it any other way than Dr Paul says, and that is where the danger comes in. You say he respects human life too much to allow X or Y to happen, but a transitional period that is as severe as he is advocating would most certainly allow X or Y or Z to happen, it's just a side effect. I see you totally ignored the fact that without some of these agencies, not all children would receive an education (as is now mandated) or the ramifications of eliminating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (and it's amendments)

Sometimes (and this is not meant directly at you so don't take this the wrong way) I wonder exactly how deep people who are coming up with "the next great plan to save us" really look at the ramifications of their actions. I know Bush didn't, I know Obama couldn't have, RP has not shown me any place in his plans or platform that would center on what i am looking for in a candidate...

1) Continued mandate to educate ALL children free of charge and without parents of Special Needs children having to fork out 99% of their salary to pay for the extra services, which unfortunately would happen without the education mandates.

2) Continued social programs to help those who cannot help themselves. Eliminating HUD (I just noticed that that was also on his list) would eliminate several wonderful housing programs that help people (i'm not talking about Mortgage crap either, if you wanna know everything HUD does, look it up)

Please tell me what my family is supposed to do during this transition of yours without the safeguards in the system now? As many of you Paulites have said to me "Not our problem, You should have enough with these changes to make it" I did the math, and unless I make 170K per year PER child that i have, without two of the agencies that Dr Paul wants to cut, I'd be homeless and starving. And before you say I'm just taking taking taking, I work, I make money, I buy my own health insurance, I pay for most of the kids needs and wants, pay a mortgage, pay the utilities, BUT without the mandates and kick-in's that happen now, my school district would eliminate the programs these kids use and I would have to pay 170 thousand dollars a year PER child to educate them..

No Can't vote for a man that would force that on my family while we're struggling to keep ends met as it is. If you're so in love with Dr Paul, have him come on here to ATS and answer my questions directly.... I bet he can't, or just doesn't care past his fevered rhetoric. Just like most of the people who follow him... "OH MY GOD IT HAS TO BE DONE OR OUR COUNTRY IS DONE FOR" And you say anything that is against him is fear mongering?

I'll discuss this privately with anyone i'm done being trashed by people who can't see beyond the glitz and glamor of the next "big thing" to see that there would be many more issues created, than solved.

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by hoochymama

 

Its delusional to make money for your campaign? Ron Paul is on that video begging for scraps so I suppose you consider him delusional as well. He sure has vocal fanbois but they arent helping him much. I assume because the numbers just arent there. Good guy, terrifying if he became president.

You just don't get it do you. Dr. Paul does not take corporate contributions ( and bow to them like every other candidate) because he doesn't believe in it. He's thrifty and money mindful - just the exact man we need in government. Scraps? No.. He is sticking to a budget so he doesn't waste the tax payers money.

reply to post by vkey08

not all children would receive an education (as is now mandated)

What's mandated in education now? That children regurgitate test answers and engage in a system designed by the Rockefeller foundation to create good industrial robots.

The whole point is that what we have in many arenas: finance, education, medicine, politics, it's all broken. It's all a set up to ensure debt, struggle, and servitude for the 99%. People say they want change but keep voting for the same thing over and over because, deep down, they are afraid of what change really means.

reply to post by coyotepoet


So he will encourage alternative therapies. I doubt a man so concerned with giving big business the keys to the country will be doing anything to big pharma. Your respose doesnt address how he will ensure doctors work for free.

Originally posted by Wide-Eyes

Originally posted by King Seesar

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by Danish

 

I completely agree that Ron Paul has started something. He has given us hope that throwing off the shackles of a two party system is possible. I just dont want him as president.

I agree with you so much on your one point i couldn't agree with you more that we need more then a two party system we at least need three major parties to brake up the monotony in what has become a monopoly of sorts for both the Dems and Repubs, i myself am registred independent but my views lean towards the Libertarian party more then the rest at this point.

Also i understand your concern that Ron Paul might get rid of some programs that you may like but i would hope that if they were that important he would bulid something new and better in there place.

I live in the UK, we had 3 major parties and look how that has turned out. A lot of people finally voted for the third party and now we have the coalition who don't know their arse from their elbow. Third party is now destroyed because their MPs are all jumping ship.

It's funny how things happen. The libs had a lot of good ideas but the tory-lib coallition(if you can call it that, more like the libs are tory whipping boys) has completely destroyed the third party. It almost seems like it was planned that way but surely not!?

Why sir funny you should jest, nah the two powers that were in postion just loved the new legit third party you guys had going for a while so they offered them tea and crumpits, Lol, in another words you nailed it on the head the plot was to kill your third party and to gain a monopoly by the two old guards, nothing new, years ago when Ross Perot almost won the election to become president not as a Republican or Democrat but a independent in the United States (which would of caused a new major third party) the old guard ran a typical CIA psy-op on him to make him look crazy to maintain there power base, nothing new it's the same everywhere, it's just that me and so many others are finally getting sick of it, sick of it all the same old smear tactics the same old candidates with the same old tricks ect ect, it's basically why so many people are open to a lot of Ron Paul's ideas because we are sick of the corruption in this country and he brings something new.


Also to be honest i would like there to be about four or five major parties so a monopoly could not happen and we would have a real choice but i'll take a third one just to get started.