Lost Bird Proves Apollo Inauthenticity

reply to post by choos


Assuming you do read the Stone article choos, that should put you up to speed with some fundamentals and you can now put the pieces of the puzzle together.

The Lick staff HAS TO BE TOLD SOMETHING, HAS TO BE GIVEN SOME COORDINATES, they are anticipating the coordinates, expecting NASA to provide the numbers. After all , this was the plan, the LRRR would be targeted that very night.



So, Joseph Wampler picks up the phone that evening at Lick Observatory and Remmington Stone is set to aim the telescope. Wampler is then provided by Houston with the EAGLE'S EXACT LANDING SITE COORDINATES, You can verify that for yourself by reading the already multiply referenced piece by Stone;

www.ucolick.org...


NASA by way of the JPL programmers sabotages the Lick system, temporarily of course. Now the Lick guys have the coordinates, but they cannot successfully target the LRRR to verify the location and so from the Lick Observatory end, no one knows for sure that the astronauts are indeed at 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east. And it MUST BE THIS WAY. The reason being, there are no astronauts on the moon, and were their position verified in real time that day, then at some point the McDonald Observatory crew would ask Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to image their blue-green laser, and of course they could not do that. Armstrong and Aldrin are Tranquility truant and that explains their conniving.

Keep in mind, there are journalists up the yin yang there at Lick, waiting for Professor Miller to cry "EUREKA!!!!", but it never happens.

From the other end, up there in pretend lunar orbit, Collins and the Houston boys play head games with us all, they just don't know where that Eagle is. How strange is that ? They gave Joseph Wampler, the Lick astronomer, the EXACT coordinates and Collins gets this, that and the other wrong thing.

The LRRR was of course placed by non manned expedition means at some time, perhaps well before 07/20/1969 at 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east, but those coordinates cannot be disclosed in any general sense as the Eagles point of rest until the astronauts "return" from the moon. Once back on earth, no one can accuse them of not being where they are supposed to be. The problem with the Lick Observatory software is fixed and the LRRR is successfully targeted 08/01/1969.

Pretty crazy, no ?

reply to post by decisively


marcia-stone.suite101.com...

this goes through basically exactly what is written at the UCO link but with little bit more detail.

note that the tv broadcast that they watched was at at 8pm UTC time. and california is about -7/-8 UTC meaning 7-8 hours behind UTC. meaning when they watched the moon landing it was around midday for the lick observatory.

the astronauts had to to set up the ranging equipment had time do the other things, they didnt spend long on the surface of the moon, they slept for about 5 hours, than began procedures for L/O which is when they started locating the LM.

when Rem says later that evening that could be anywhere from 6-midnight which is a time period of about 12 hours from when he watched the moon landing. joe wemplar gets the coordinates off houston after the LM was already found.

Originally posted by decisively
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

My point is any equipment verified as present on the surface of the moon is not so vetted as having been brought to the moon's surface in the setting/context of a manned mission. Because there is a LRRR at 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east, that does not mean Aldrin/Armstrong placed it there, even if you show me a picture of a piece of equipment at that very site taken from several miles or more up.

The LRO pics of the sites matches the pics taken on the surface by the astronauuts



On this you can see the tracks make by the astronauts MATCH the LRO shot!!!!!

You can check object positions distances on the LRO pics with what was document by NASA.

You are the kind of person that even if you were taken there you would claim it was fake!

Images of this that or the other thing most decidedly do not invalidate my claims as regards Armstrong's ignorance of his own whereabouts

reply to post by wmd_2008


wmd_2008,

Again, your images may well be evidence for American activities in space, but this hardly confirms said activity to include bona fide manned landings. Additionally, your images change not a whit the FACT that Neil Armstrong was clueless as to his pretended whereabouts 2 days, 11 days even no less, post his fraudulent Eagle landing, all the while the staff at Lick Observatory had the EXACT numbers of the Eagle's landing site.

And so again, your pictures notwithstanding, why tell the astronomers at Lick Observatory where Neil Armstrong was on the night of 07/20/1969, and not tell Michael Collins, or Armstrong himself for that matter ?

reply to post by decisively


is there proof that on the night lick got the exact coordinates?? or is there only an account from 2007 after the fact the coordinates have already been found???

lick may have received coordinates close to the lander from the geologist and from there after moving the time window than began to receive results.. on the first night they had the wrong coordinates but where does it say they had more exact coordinates than what NASA have? perhaps they only had the rendezvous results or the geologists results and only after having NASA confirm the exact location of the LM than they are able to put the exact coordinates into their story.

it would explain the different font in their story.. is lick able to confirm the pinpoint location of the LM given the laser beam has diameter of about 2miles??

reply to post by decisively

The reason being, there are no astronauts on the moon, and were their position verified in real time that day, then at some point the McDonald Observatory crew would ask Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin to image their blue-green laser, and of course they could not do that.

Correct. The beam would be invisible in space. The astronauts could not image it even if McDonald Observatory asked them to. That does not mean that there were no astronauts on the Moon, however. No matter how much detail you add, your argument is inherently flawed. If the landing were a hoax, all of the figures would have been pre-determined and consistent. All the messiness is the sort of thing that only happens in real life.

reply to post by DJW001

Tranquility Truancy and Laser Fright PART ONE

You are incorrect.

In January 1968, Surveyor 7
landed on the outer rim of Tycho. It was armed with a "television camera". Two blue-green lasers targeted the probe, one fired from Kitt Peak and the second from Table Mountain. The Lasers were one watt in power. The Surveyor 7 Camera successfully imaged the 2 lasers and this success lead first to the consideration of and then ultimately the realization of the Apollo LRRR placements.

The images of the blue-green lasers taken in this "photo"(tiny dots at the left on the dark side of the earth's disc) are the stuff of space lore;


C.O. Alley, the man who was to become the chief investigator on the LRRR project commented these dots were "brighter than the light of the brightest star in the sky, Sirius"

The story of Surveyor 7 is so romantic, and more significantly, so downright undeniably important, as regards the "the laser's history", not to mention the history of early space science as well, that Charles Townes opened his book HOW THE LASER HAPPENED, ADVENTURES OF A SCIENTIST(Oxford University Press 1999) with his own telling of this remarkable story. From the opening chapter, THE LIGHT THAT SHINES STRAIGHT;

"On July 21, 1969, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin set up an array of small reflectors on the moon and faced them toward Earth. At the same time, two teams of astrophysicists on Earth—240,000 miles away—at the University of California’s Lick Observatory and at the University of Texas’s McDonald Observatory, prepared small instruments on two big telescopes. They took careful note of the location of that first manned landing on the moon. About ten days later, the Lick team pointed the telescope at that precise location and sent a small pulse of power into the tiny piece of hardware they had added to the telescope. A few days later, after the west Texas skies had cleared, the McDonald team went through the same steps. In the heart of each telescope, a narrow beam of extraordinarily pure red light emerged from a crystal of synthetic ruby, pierced the sky, and entered the near vacuum of space. The rays were still only about 1,000 yards wide after traveling the 240,000 miles to illuminate the astronauts’ reflectors. Slightly more than a second after light hit the reflectors, the crews in California and in Texas each detected the faint reflection of its beam. The interval between launch of the pulse of light and its return permitted calculation of the distance to the moon within an inch, a measurement of unprecedented precision. The ruby for each source of light was the heart of a laser, a type of device first demonstrated in 1960, just nine years earlier.

Even before man reached the moon, an unmanned spacecraft had landed on the moon in January, 1968, with a television camera that detected a laser beam shot from near Los Angeles by the California Institute of Technology’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory. That beam radiated only about one watt. But from the moon, all the other lights in the Los Angeles basin, drawing thousands of megawatts, were not bright enough to be seen. Their light spread and diffused into relative indetectability while that single beam, with the power of a pocket penlight, sent a twinkling signal to the lunar surface."


The second paragraph here references the wild adventure of Surveyor 7, snapping shots of the earth from a seat on the porch of her closest luminary.

And when C.O. Alley and the crew from McDonald Observatory in Texas made ready to target the Apollo 11 LRRR along with their colleagues at Lick Observatory in California, the fella's in Texas had an extra arrow in their quiver, one the Lick Observatory boys were without. In addition to their ruby red laser which they would employ to target and range the LRRR once Armstrong/Aldrin had set it down, the staff at McDonald Observatory would also employ a blue-green laser to help them FIND the LRRR at Tranquility Base.

They reasoned that if Surveyor 7 could "see" the lasers from Kitt Peak and Table Mountain in 1968, well then Armstrong and Aldrin and Collins could see their blue-green laser as well. And if they said they saw the blue-green laser, then that would mean they would have FOUND !!! the astronauts and along with them, their LRRR. They would so know just where to aim the ruby red light and so range the moon.

Tranquility Truancy and Laser Fright PART TWO

And so it came to pass that when the astronauts were alleged to be in cislunar space, Professor C.O. Alley and the boys at McDonald Observatory would give it a shot and ask the astronauts if they would be so kind so as to look out the window and see if they could SEE the McDonald BLUE-GREEN LASER, warm them up for the big 07/20/1969 night so to speak. From the Apollo 11 Voice Transcript at 01 11 28 08;

CC Roger, Apollo 11. We've got a laser that we're going to - It's a blue-green laser that we're going to flash on and off at a frequency of on for a second, off for a second. It's coming out of McDonald Observatory near E1 Paso, which is - should be right on the terminator --or right inside the terminator. We are going to activate that momentarily. Would you please take a look through the telescope and see if you can see it. Over.

CMP Telescope? Or sextant?

CC Either one. Over.

CMP Okay, I'll try it _with the telescope; and if, I don't see it there, then I'll try the sextant.,

CC Roger. We'll give you the word when they've_ got it turned on. Over.

CMP Okay.

CC 11, Houston. They don't have it turned on yet. We'll give_ you the word when they got it turned
' on. Over.

CMP Okay.

CC Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. We noticed the CR¥O
pressure dropped a moment ago. Did you stir lip the CRYO's? Over.

CDR Roger. We've finished our cycling operations.·_

CC Roger. Copy. Out. '

CC Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. McDonald's got the laser turned on, Would you take a look?, Over.

CMP Okay, Charlie.


CC It's bluish-green.

CC 11, Houston. We got some shaft and._trunnion for you that might tweak it up a little bit. Shaft
of 141.5, trunnion of 39.5. Over. '[ .... _R Okay. Stand by. ..

CC Apollo 11, Houston. If you see it' it should be coming up - appear to be coming up,through the clouds. McDonald reports that_there's a break in the clouds that they're beaming this thing through. Over.

CDR Roger.

CC Hello, Apollo 11. Houston. You can terminate the exercise on the Laser. Our rates are steady
enough now for - to commence the PTC. Over.

LMP Okays Houston. Neither Neil nor Mike can see it. Incidentally_ those shafts and trunnions just
missed pointing at the world.

CC Roger. Thank you.

LMP As we are looking at it through the scanning telescope, it would be about a - oh, maybe a third of an Earth radii high and to the left.

CC Roger.

LMP But, we did - but we did identify the E1 Paso area and it appeared to us to be a break in the
clouds there, and we looked in that break and saw nothing.

CC Roger. Thank you much. Out.

CMP Houston, Apollo 11. Over.

And so it came to pass that the boys in El Paso were forever disappointed, asking the astronauts to see if they could see their laser from time to time and always hearing/getting "no" for an answer.
If the astronauts were able to have seen the light, then the boys in Texas at the McDonald Observatory would have had them image the thing just like Surveyor did.

But the astronauts were never in cislunar space, Tranquility truant as well, and so of course they never said yes to the laser light because then they would have been accountable for being just exactly RIGHT THERE, right there , located to within the width of that beam. Take a picture of this, of that, of the other thing, PROVE YOU ARE THERE in a sense, in a nice way.

There are many ramifications here and I shall discuss them at length in future posts. But let's play a bit with one right now. What if they wanted to try and finesse this and say, "OK El Paso, we see the laser!!!!" ?????? Then 4 weeks post return to earth, one of the McDonald Observatory guys reviewed the data and saw the laser was actually off target. It wasn't pointing at the Apollo 11 CSM's cislunar location but was off 5 degrees. So then this astronomer would have discovered the astronauts were lying. So laser phobia is AN ABSOLUTE. They absolutely CANNOT LET ON THAT THEY SEE THIS THING . They would be busted a million different ways, and I will explore those ways in future posts.

reply to post by decisively


Once again how many photons would hit the area they were in

Got a number for that yet

reply to post by wmd_2008


The data exists. If you are asking me, I think I recall seeing it in the original Alley, Faller papers in Science. I am not super motivated right now to look at those again, may later in the week. Check the SCIENCE archive, I think the data is there.

I didn't realize a 1000 watt laser diverged into a 1000 yard wide beam at the moon's distance. Who thought an astronaut could see this with the naked eye?

ugh

this is worse than that guy 3 weeks ago who had to start a thread everyday about the masons and their treasure caves


there is a ton of 3rd party evidence that manned missions went ot the moon. there isn't even one person of the 500,000 people that would have had to be in on the hoax who has given even one death bed confession.

it would have been easier to just go than to perpetrate the hoax

accept it

cataracts
big muley
larry

Originally posted by decisively
reply to post by DJW001

 

Tranquility Truancy and Laser Fright PART ONE

You are incorrect.

In January 1968, Surveyor 7
landed on the outer rim of Tycho. It was armed with a "television camera". Two blue-green lasers targeted the probe, one fired from Kitt Peak and the second from Table Mountain. The Lasers were one watt in power. The Surveyor 7 Camera successfully imaged the 2 lasers and this success lead first to the consideration of and then ultimately the realization of the Apollo LRRR placements.

The images of the blue-green lasers taken in this "photo"(tiny dots at the left on the dark side of the earth's disc) are the stuff of space lore;


C.O. Alley, the man who was to become the chief investigator on the LRRR project commented these dots were "brighter than the light of the brightest star in the sky, Sirius"

Underlined above and the pic you posted




They DONT look that bright compared to the sunlight side of the earth which is very overexposed which tells ANY photographer that if the camera gave a correct exposure for the sunlit earth they might not have shown at all!!!!!

reply to post by earthdude


There were 2 lasers operated by the staff at McDonald Observatory during the time of the Apollo 11 mission, a blue-green argon laser which is visible and relatively "weak" and a ruby red laser for ranging the LRRR. It is the former, the blue-green laser, with which they sought to "find" the astronauts by way of having them confirm their sighting this light. The ruby red light in contradistinction is pulsed, billionths of a second. When the McDonald staff asks the astronauts to look for their light in the voice transcript excerpt above, they are of course referencing the argon/blue-green laser. It would of course be quite visible were the astronauts actually in space.

reply to post by wmd_2008


You are quite observant. Yes, the "sunlit" side of the earth did need to be way over exposed, but of course it is hardly surprising. Consider the earth's luminosity compared with that of Sirius, many many many orders of magnitude difference, and the lasers are perhaps just a tad brighter than Sirius, or so claimed the LRRR experiment's principle investigator C.O. Alley. So of course the earth side is overexposed in the shot. Keep in mind that the light coming from the JPL laser is more or less in Los Angeles, the big city pumping out millions of watts at that moment. Yet the ONE watt blue-green laser of the JPL observatory is visible, and the millions of watts worth of incoherent city light is not. This, owing to the coherency of the monochromatic laser light.

reply to post by decisively




Do you KNOW the position of the earth relative to the Astronauts ie how high in the sky,

This is the earth taken by Apollo 11



They are 98000 miles way approx when this was taken. It is of course correctly exposed for the sunlit side NO lights visilbe on the shadow side NONE at all.

Here is an even better one!



Now imaginge that other picture of yours reduced in brightness so that the overexposed sunlight side is like the pictures above. Do you think those 2 little dots would even show

I doubt it!!!!

reply to post by wmd_2008


So ? The fact that this picture exists does not prove that astronauts took it from cislunar space.

What would have proved they were in cislunar space would have been if they consistently acknowledged the McDonald Observatory argon laser and photographed THAT !

reply to post by decisively

What would have proved they were in cislunar space would have been if they consistently acknowledged the McDonald Observatory argon laser and photographed THAT !

Exactly the opposite; the beam would not be bright enough to be seen. If they reported it, you would do the calculation and use it to prove the mission was fraudulent.

reply to post by DJW001


The McDonald scientists expected the astronauts to be able to see their blue-green laser. It was in the newspapers. I shall post the articles when I get around to it. Very incriminating.

reply to post by DJW001


C.O. Alley, the Apollo 11 LRRR experiment chief investigator, said the blue green lasers(only one watt) filmed by Surveyor 7 appeared somewhat more luminous than the brightest star in the sky, Sirius.