"We are Preparing for Massive Civil War," Says DHS Informant

Originally posted by magma
And you are going to do what about it?

When push comes to shove...... You , like all the others will die fighting.
thats my point.

I would rather die fighting than to live a life of slavery

Absolute dog sh**

So the winner of the nobel peace prize is going to declare war on his own counrtymen. Dont see that happening somehow

Dont panic and carry on enjoying your lives. The USA has enough enemies to worry about without starting things on home soil. The biggest risk is the lone lunatic with a machine gun or another extremist attack

Maybe the governments are preparing for an event like this..
www.solarstormwarning.com

Originally posted by MissingRonnieR
Some of you worry me. No Government that denied the will of the people has stood the test of time. No military ever fielded has held. In the end every cop, every Military man in uniform stands for the people. Not to say the cost is not high but in the end tyrants fail. Freedom is human nature.

The problem arises when the government unfairly supports the top 1% of the population while the remainder gets screwed. And the majority need to be placated with BS to keep their minds off of this (i.e. give them "reality" shows, let them worship airhead celebrities, chuck them a billion-to-one lottery every now and then). I forgot the exact figure I was looking for, but the average working man is earning a truly petty amount compared to the upper-crust company execs whose incomes are rising at an incredible rate. The Republican Party is always acting like it favors the average guy by saying they want smaller government--but by taking away government laws and giving them to corporations so corporations can Eliminate such things as child labor, minimum wage etc. The dream is to make America look like Mexico with workers earning pennies an hour.

Originally posted by Vaspasian
reply to post by wrdwzrd

 

Ernest Hemingway once said a collapse (bankruptcy ruin) happens in two speeds...first very slowly....and then all of a sudden very quickly....

Don't embrace any normalcy bias...all fiat currency's collapse it is a ponzi our debt is in the trillions and next stop in the financial lexicon is quadrillion...

To service the JUST THE INTERST on the USA total debt takes the entire annual GDP of Saudi Arabia to pay off...

We recently (late last year) hit the threshold where USA debt to GDP is over 100% meaning we are now spending more than we bring in annually...and are barely covering interest payments...

We all have credit cards...we Ll know how the game ends when at first you can only pay the minimum interest down...

Next step is missed payments

Americans have to keep buying SUVs. Compact cars are a thing of the past (small cars for small people!).
Not to mention all that idiots nation-wide who MUST buy bottled water because ordinary tap water isn't Good Enough for them...

In this day and age I'm Not proud to be an American.
Things were different 30 or 40 years ago.

Originally posted by WarChestNC
What people here need to understand is that the military will NEVER come after civilians as some COINTELPRO sources say will happen.
The higher ups are to honor bound to fire the first shot against the population.
The whole snow job to make Iowa farm boys to be sent over seas to fight for our freedoms gets thrown right out the window.
That’s why when polled to see if our soldiers would fire on American citizens, over 80% says that they will not.

TPTB hope that we, the citizens of this country loose our cool and tip over the edge.
That alone, I think, would be the only way that they could sell to the military leaders the idea of tyranny in our streets and neighborhoods.
This all depends on WHO fires the first shot.

If we keep our cool and NOT start an armed conflict in the streets we will WIN our freedom back through popular support and the courts.

You trust Polls? You post on This thread?
People say one thing on surveys but when it really comes down to it, it's another story entirely.

Listen, when it comes down to it, soldiers do what they're told to do. After being indoctrinated That deep into the military that's All they do. They're trained to Follow Orders not to Think. If not they're taken out, stripped of their rank, court-martialed--Disgraced. Just the very thought of being Humiliated in front of their own comrades is enough to put them back in line. I won't even mention their pay going down the toilet.

They will Not see their "fellow Americans" as civilians. They will be painted as Threat Forces out to undermine the American Way. Enemies/Terrorists disguised as American civilians. I mean, look at our Nintendo pilots. They're given targets and they take them out. Do they ever think that maybe those targets are Non-military? Ever? It doesn't matter whether or not it's Iraq or some location in the U.S. They follow orders blindly and maybe--Maybe--think about what they did After the fact.

The DHS is wrong in whatever rumor mill this came from.

Revolution is coming.

It won't be people versus people... it will be the people versus them.

"No Gwyd, you are wrong. Revolution will never take hold in this country."

We shall see about that, won't we.

Originally posted by imagineering
reply to post by magma

 

I must agree, logically, think about it. Does the american public have mobile armor? Air strike capabilities? There are a magnitude of weapons at their disposal, and this spells ease of crowd control. I hate saying, so dont think Im a supporter of TPTB. Im not!! I just know the resources they have and I acknowlege the fact that any major resistance will be met with the deployment of some major crowd control weapons, and maybe even complete sanitation of them.

Their would have to be a major military coup. Or a over 80% public revolt, this would make the grid come to a halt indeed.

this is something i've always wanted to ask you people that are ready to revolt...if you succeed, who will be calling the shots?....and what changes will be done to the freedoms we enjoy now? do you honestly think that the people that succeed at this revolt, have the type of personality to be fair and judicious? and what about the people that are fairly happy with the life they NOW lead? are you going to make their life better or worse?
actions have consequences both big and small, and the shear magnitude of trying to maintain a "functioning government" is not for some weekend warrior running around in fatigues and carrying survival gear, shouting about how terrible TPTB are.

Originally posted by ShadowAngel85
There will never be a Civil War in the USA. Most people over there are too ignorant (they still love Obama, think 9/11 was a real terrorist attack and still believe in "We are #1!") and too fat and lazy to get their asses out of their seats. They rather continue to watch TV, believe everything FoxNews say and think everything's fine as they still can afford fake food from McDonalds.
So nothing will happen, certainly not Civil War

I can agree with some of this...until the economy collapses.

All this Obama hate. I'd like to know what peoples' alternatives would be. President McCain (!?). As if his policies are any better. How about President Palin (I have trouble even Typing that one without spasms!)?? The Obama competition is composed in largely of Dominionists--and that particular faction REALLY scares the s hit outta me more than anything else.

And then there's McDonalds. Don't knock it. Why not? Well, their so-called Mcdouble burgers have kept me alive for years. At $1 a lunch they can't be beat. Not healthy, not great, but satisfying. Compare that to my neighbors who shell out $10 or more per lunch at some "ristorante" places in my town.

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GOOD QUESTIONS!

If you ask me, Any attempt to even begin to Organize a revolt of such magnitude would fall flat. Not so much because of conflict and confusion, but because some mole would run back to the government and let the cat out of the bag. Then there'd be another Wacko Texas incident and the distorted story will eventually appear on the news. And that would be that.

reply to post by pushmepullu


This is why all should ween themselves off the system now. Don't wait for an even bigger crisis, now is the time. Unite as many friends and family as possible. Live together and work together in selfsustaining communities. Live peacefully. Force the enemy to attack you. Go solo if need be but do something, anything, other than just hanging on for the ride. Read the book called "the power" by Rhonda Byrne and apply it. Then share it's message with all. If people start working towards peace there will be no fema camps. The power of the mind is unlimited. The only things that become real are those which we allow. Dont waste time and mental energy thinking of what can go wrong, use your energy to think of what can be done right -- then get to work! This is the only way this world can survive.

reply to post by CaptainLJB


The alternative would be elect ANYBODY who is ONLY concerned with making the lives of the many better, while preventing the few from benifiting from the hardship of ordinary working folk. The alternative would be to elect a person to represent your nation, who will break the nose and arms of any corperate lobbyist who tries to buy his favour, or his backing.

The alternative, in summary, would be to appoint a leader who is not a politician. It would be a good idea on my side of the pond also, but the majority of voting people are too dumb to realise that. Honestly I cannot say that anyone in either of our nations should vote next time around and refuse to vote at all until an appropriate candidate comes forward.

None of the privately selected morons in your nation or mine deserve a single ballot in thier favour.

reply to post by CaptainLJB


Alive? If by alive you mean barely hanging on. People have no idea how dead they already are. You know those zombie movies where the "living" blast away at the useless eating undead? Next time you are cheering on the zombie hunters remember this: those movies are allegorical tales of life on earth. Humans are the zombies and those movies represent the elites plans to destroy you. And you all keep lining up for more...

We are always preparing for every scenario. Nothing new.

reply to post by Leftist



It doesn't take a genius to figure out how civil unrest will happen. Their will be no civil war or uprising. It will be a looting and killing pathetic racial mess. Their is no way they would be able to round us up like sheep. ( from a quote here in the thread. ) To many of us are armed and will not tolerate it. If the US falls or fails economically or socially or whatever. Here's what the result will be. Its sad, but you know its true whether you want to admit it or not.

All inner city blacks will go on a rampage of looting and killing. Others will try and defend their property and family's against this. But, they will soon get fed up with it due to lack of government help, that they will take matters into their own hands, and start killing. Most mexicans will run for the boarder, but some will stay and fight with the blacks and the rest of us, at which time they will all be killed. If the unpleasant people take their looting and killing outside the city, They will be killed without question. As most outside the city life, will not tolerate ANY unjust or outside influence. The military will have no control. The National Guard may try, but the loyalty issue will come into play which will negate what they want to accomplish. When its all said and done, it will be nothing but a racial mess, as 95% of all blacks in America blame the rest of us for God knows what. Mexican's take no pride in America or anything from my experience, but are more level headed as they don't dwell in self pity and loathing.

Some white people, will go on a power trip. They will want to control small towns and populations for power. They will hoard food, guns and necessities for no other reason than to be in power and hold the key. They will get away with this for a small time and do their share of damage, but again, if they bleed out to far, they will be met with death and will eventually be sought out and killed.

I am not a racist, although this sounds racist. Unfortunately, things like Katrina and the LA riots, etc, Have proved what I say is true .. I am a realist.

reply to post by snarky412

I am actually thinking the upcoming Election cycle may just be the flash-point. Remember, Regan was the first to set precedent by stealing an election, and the Bush's continued the practice. I am not sure about the Obama election, I have heard it was all popular vote, but have no way of checking this out.

Ron Paul is a strong contender for the Big Chair. The Powers That Be and the Banker Cartel people are running very scared right now, because the know in their hearts that Ron Paul will bring their criminal acts and frauds on the American Public to a screeching halt...and a whole new, non interest bearing monetary system will be instituted, a medium based on Market Value, rather than Wall Street/Banking Cartel/Federal Reserve interest rates. The War Machine, the biggest money maker of the Military Industrial Complex, will also come to a stop, as Ron Paul brings the wars to an end, and bring the soldiers, bless their hearts for serving, home for good. The Drug war will come to a stop as the Southern Border is sealed with Home Guards, and Herbs which are not really drugs at all will become legal for personal use, and will be regulated and taxed just like cigarettes. Factories will spring up in the manufacture of Hemp Products, everything from grocery bags, to biodegradable diapers, clothing, shoes, automobile interior panels, building materials....
There is a lot more that could happen too, Americans are very industrious when it comes to making money.

So that is where I see it, the first shot of the 3rd Revolution. Election Time. Is History repeating itself?

Election of Lincoln

The election of Abraham Lincoln to the presidency in 1860 is commonly viewed as the beginning of a chain of events that erupted into civil war in April 1861. Lincoln was the first member of the Republican Party elected to the presidency, a remarkable rise for a political party that had been in existence less than ten years. At the Republican Convention held in Chicago in 1860, Lincoln received his party’s nomination over several contenders, most notably William H. Seward of New York. Contrary to popular belief, Lincoln was not a backwoods farmer; rather, he was a respected lawyer from Illinois who had gained the national spotlight during his campaign for the United States Senate against Stephen A. Douglas in 1858.

(snip)

On Tuesday, November 6th, 1860, Abraham Lincoln was elected the sixteenth President of the United States, with Hannibal Hamlin of Maine his Vice-President. Lincoln and Hamlin received 1,866,452 popular votes and 180 electoral votes in 17 of the 33 states. The Northern Democratic ticket of Douglas and Herschel V. Johnson of Georgia drew 1,376,957 popular votes, but only 12 electoral votes (9 from Missouri and 3 from New Jersey). The Southern Democratic ticket of Breckinridge and Joseph Lane of Oregon received 849,781 popular votes from 11 of the 15 slave states, for 72 electoral votes. The Constitutional Unionists Bell and John Everett of Massachusetts received 588,879 popular votes and 39 electoral votes (Kentucky, Tennessee, and Virginia).

Significantly, Lincoln carried all of the free states and none of the slave states. He was elected with just over a third of the popular vote, but an overwhelming victory in the Electoral College (180 to 123 for the other three candidates combined). When the election results were announced, the people of Charleston, South Carolina, began meeting and talking of succession. On November 10th, the legislature agreed to meet on December 17th to consider the question of secession. On December 20th, 1860, South Carolina dissolved the Union when its legislature voted to secede.

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In my considered opinion, I could clearly see a popular uprising, if some things that are going on continue, and Americans do not get some relief, and an address of grievances.

reply to post by Xcathdra

I don't know where you are from, friend, but here in Southern Ohio, I have spoken to several Sheriff's Deputies about a civil disturbance breaking out, and they both agreed it had been discussed among the officers. I was also told that the Sheriff's men would stand with the People too. The Locals are different though, they are divided. As for Military Soldiers? These are American Citizens, and American Families and Interests.

Originally posted by dragonsrreal
Dont panic and carry on enjoying your lives. The USA has enough enemies to worry about without starting things on home soil. The biggest risk is the lone lunatic with a machine gun or another extremist attack

Unless... 9/11 really was an inside job to create those outside enemies...

Then your theory collapses

And yes dragons are real

Originally posted by TrueBrit
reply to post by CaptainLJB

 

The alternative would be elect ANYBODY who is ONLY concerned with making the lives of the many better, while preventing the few from benifiting from the hardship of ordinary working folk. The alternative would be to elect a person to represent your nation, who will break the nose and arms of any corperate lobbyist who tries to buy his favour, or his backing.

The alternative, in summary, would be to appoint a leader who is not a politician. It would be a good idea on my side of the pond also, but the majority of voting people are too dumb to realise that. Honestly I cannot say that anyone in either of our nations should vote next time around and refuse to vote at all until an appropriate candidate comes forward.

None of the privately selected morons in your nation or mine deserve a single ballot in thier favour.

Well, in the U.S. we have but two leading parties - Democrat and Republican - and just to be on their billet means you must be a multi-millionaire. You must also be a Christian (!!! Atheist or Agnostic? Forget it!!) Otherwise nobody gets votes. So you could say that it stops right there.
I'd like to support a leader who isn't a politician (or actor or actress!). But it's just not going to happen in this country.

Originally posted by QQXXw

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Preparing - present tense? Hey DHS, many of us are ALREADY prepared.

Prepared to do what ? What are you trying to tell me that perhaps the DHS should have a good look at you and your residence? having guns in your house simply makes you are less questionable target and you will be a target and nothing more.

What happens once your family is starving ? there will be no hiding in the forest for you

Why's that? You gonna come find me? Are you a DHS monkey?

I have years of hunting, fishing and trapping skills, so I'll be just fine, thanks for your concern.