"We are Preparing for Massive Civil War," Says DHS Informant

DISinformation.

What uprising? Who?

This entire website only has about 260,000 people. US population is 311,000,000. Even if all the people here were in the US, had guns, and was ready to crack down on the criminal government, where the hell would a civil war come from? Citizens against citizens would be a civil war. Citizens against the government would be a REVOLUTION.

So less than .08% of the American population is going to fight...who? The masses? For what, watching too much TV? Ignoring corruption? Not even close to a full 1%, and they release news like this? They are instigating conflict and spreading lies.

So WRONG. If there's something coming maybe one day far from now, it's real patriotic Americans waking the rest up and then together working on shutting down this circus of a government. But again, that's called a revolution.

They are spreading lies, YET AGAIN. Total BS, too. I might have been bored in history class, but I know the difference between a civil war and an uprising against criminals!

Originally posted by nenothtu
reply to post by SheopleNation

 

They'd stand a better chance - but still no chance at all - by employing US troops. Most citizens would be as reluctant to fire on US troops as the troops would be to fire on THEM.

Very true, but that is why they would avoid such a gamble. It's simply not worth the risk to them and you just made my point for me. However, I am open to your opinions because I see that you're a level headed person. This is great discussion.

Foreign troops, mercenary or not, not so much. There's nothing like a foreign invasion to rally the boys 'round - especially if the foreigners try firing up or detaining a few locals.

Oh but that is exactly what they want my friend, is to "rally up the boys" right? Isn't that what they have a record of doing in their own internationalist interests? That's what they do in order to get the back up and support that they do for their Globalist wars that have absolutely nothing to do with protecting our Homeland. Read between the lies my friend, read between the lies.

Oh and uh, I love your avatar bro. ~$heopleNation

Originally posted by Leftist

"We are Preparing for Massive Civil War," Says DHS Informant

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“We have problems . . . The federal government is preparing for civil uprising,” he added, “so every time you hear about troop movements, every time you hear about movements of military equipment, the militarization of the police, the buying of the ammunition, all of this is . . . they (DHS) are preparing for a massive uprising.”

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Nope, unfortunately this is a rumor and not true; I work in a field related to DHS. However, I do feel it would be great to have an uprising. Our country is becoming too socialized....and not since the 60's have we had anyone strong enough to rise up....takes a lot of strength in character....and charisma to have followers that trust that leader that is willing to revolt.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07

What a disgrace to lose your life fighting socialism/communism only to later find out you were fighting against your own best self-interest.

Socialism/Communism have NEVER been, nor ever will be, in my "own best self-interest". They are promoted by people who want what someone else has, but who don't want to have to get their own hands dirty getting it - so they hire a governing body to simply take it for them.

The poor stay poor, and the rich stay rich, and the only differences are who is which at any given instant.

Originally posted by SheopleNation

Very true, but that is why they would avoid such a gamble. It's simply not worth the risk to them and you just made my point for me. However, I am open to your opinions because I see that you're a level headed person. This is great discussion.

Well, I never said they were much good at strategy! If your best option for victory, however slim that may be, is to use one toolkit, why would you opt to employ another toolkit instead?

Me? "Level headed"? That's just an optical illusion from having banged my head against the wall too many times - it tends to produce that peculiar flat spot!

Oh but that is exactly what they want my friend, is to "rally up the boys" right? Isn't that what they have a record of doing in their own internationalist interests? That's what they do in order to get the back up and support that they do for their Globalist wars that have absolutely nothing to do with protecting our Homeland. Read between the lies my friend, read between the lies.

I think "rallying the boys" against an obvious external target would go less well here than it has in Iraq and Afghanistan - those sterling bastions of US victory! We have more people already trained to meet that sort of thing than either of those countries did, and they didn't pan out all that well, did they? Now, with that said, this is only my opinion, and I don't pretend to be able to fathom the intricacies of their strategic inconsistencies or lack of coherent planning ability - they may well try it, much to their own chagrin when it pans out the way it would.

Oh and uh, I love your avatar bro. ~$heopleNation

Thanks - I made it myself.... one of the few that I've ever used that I did!

reply to post by Leftist

Hey little commie girl. That avatar of yours would not be allowed to have those headphones unless there is enough for every person in you imaginary communist country, Not that you would need them to listen to music. The only thing you could listen to is state broadcasting. “This concludes our leader is wonderful broadcasting and now we return you to Our Leader is Great Program.” Government zombies have all the fun
btw- you would only have access to web pages that tell you how to live like a zombie
no ats, sorry

Originally posted by Leftist


A lot of people on ATS expect that the US will soon descend into a welter of carnage and civil violence. But when you hear that official government organs feel the same way, maybe its time to REALLY get worried?

I thought all this was a given?

We've been talking about the coming collapse of the western world for several years on ATS, and I think most of us know that all the fiat currencies are going to collapse. We are expecting that the € will disappear in the next couple of years, and that could trigger a collapse of all fiat currencies.

This is why all the measures so far have simply been attempts to delay the inevitable. They were not prepared for the fallout of the collapse, and they are just buying time.

This is why we are seeing internet control legislation, snooping legislation, detention laws, crackdowns on protests, massive spending, pullback of troops... they are building up and preparing for the inevitable, while lying to the public and making payments where necessary to keep the game going just a little longer.

If you need any more obvious signs, check out what they were all discussing at the last bilderburg meeting -

The Middle East: What Does Democracy Mean?
Emerging Economies: Roles and Responsibilities
Economic and National Security in a Digital Age
Technological Innovation in Western Economies: Stagnation or Promise?
The Appetite for Reform: Can Governments Deliver?
Switzerland: Can It Remain Successful in the Future?
European Union's Challenges
A Sustainable Euro: Implications for European Economies
China's Domestic Challenges
China's Regional and Global Challenges
Connectivity and the Diffusion of Power
Current Conflict Areas
Demographic Stresses

I've highlighted the ones that I think are the most interesting. These discussions would have led to debates about future problems and the ways in which governments can manage the problems.

Remember, these are all your "elected", meeting with media moguls, bankers, corporate elites and foreign powers - in highly secure, closed and secretive meetings.

I'm guessing I'm just surprised that anyone is so surprised. The US is in over 15 TRILLION $'s of debt. I don't think people can actually grasp how monumentally massive that number is.
When I hear economists flapping their lips about sustainability and growth, I just keep that number in my head. I want to shout it at them and ask if they actually believe their own BS.

Obama could end all government spending entirely, 100%, and tax every American every single $ they make, and it STILL wouldn't put a dent in that number.

What is it that people are not getting about this?

I really don't understand how so many millions of people can all be so delusional.

reply to post by daynight42


very good rant!!!
i agree with what you have said!!

Uprisings in Greece is, indeed, a problem, but an uprising of armed Americans becomes a matter of serious national security, a point addressed in a recent report by the Pentagon and highlighted as a vulnerability and threat to the U.S. during war-game exercises at the Department of Defense last year, according to one of the DoD’s war-game participants, Jim Rickards, author of Currency Wars: The Making of the Next Global Crisis.

I find this kind of funny yet kind of ridiculous at the same time.

Is the Government really THAT afraid of the citizens they are supposed to be serving? Hmm, maybe that tells you something about the way they have been handling things...

People are on edge as it is. The cost of living has shot up while incomes are low and weak. The job market fluctuates between non-existent and brutal.

Real hyper-inflation would get most people very angry in a short amount of time.

I can see this as being possible, but I hope things don't get that ugly. The recession is certainly not over and people are getting by as best as they can. It has been rumored for awhile now that banking's derivatives problem is far worse than we've been told.

So yes, I could see this happening. Watch out for the paid, false flag instigators of vandalism. TPTB use these shills to attach shame to innocent protestors. The MSM gets suckered into this every time --- or are they in cahoots?

I don't like the times we're currently living in. It's like a powder keg with a candle lit nearby. Then on top of that, we've got the 12/21/12 predictions.

I'll be happy if we get through this year without something big and bad happening.

What if ''they'' gave a (Civil War) and no one came......?
I think dissent and rebellion (Chaos) is what they want.

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I will have to see more evidence than unverifiable claims from an anonymous source to be too concerned otake it very seriously.

reply to post by Leftist


The main thing that wreaks BS, is talk of "maybe no election". Even during the Civil War America held elections. The American Citizenry aren't well organized enough to mount an uprising. Haven't been since the mid to late 1800's.

The only thing that they could fear would be if a few states tried to leave the Union if the Dollar collapsed. Several States do have the capability to survive better as Independent nations then as states in the Union should the Dollar Collapse.

Then again, Obama= a communist.
Lenin= a communist. Lenin was originally elected into office then suspended elections and started a Russian Civil War.

But this if it is "legit" is more likely then not the setting of the ground work for the justification for a coup against the current administration. People have been killed by various entities in the US government for far less then leaking this document so it raises a lot more questions then answers.

reply to post by stanguilles7


Don’t forget to sign up for the news letter ….this is “News” from a stock broker

I always take the advice of stock brokers who are trying to sell me gold.

What possible motivation could they have for making up anonymous sources to scare people into divesting from the US dollar?

Originally posted by nenothtu
Thanks - I made it myself.... one of the few that I've ever used that I did!

Well, you did a great job on it my friend. Best wishes. ~$heopleNation

Originally posted by Bisman
im going to be that jerk that says i welcome the new world order.

i dont believe its just evil banking cabals wanting world rule, i believe they and the banks are themselves, tools that are used to put all this in motion.
i DO believe the ends justify the means (situational), in a world where gradual change for the better is impossible and to late.

and when the time comes to pick sides, i dont think i will take kindly to being called a coward for not joining some anti government revolution. we all have beliefs and values, i dont think im going to 100% base mine on ancient american ones.
change requires everyone change, not everyone BUT the US.

just for my debate above, my values;
athiest
globalist

If the time ever comes, I'll be seeing you in the trenches, then. You should probably be hoping that you see me first, though.

There has already been FAR too much change towards globalism in the US, and you think it's still not enough? I'm game to ditch the globalism altogether - it hasn't been working very well for us so far.

I haven't read through the thread & don't feel I have to due to the ridiculousness in the article. Here's the deal, I have several friends and family members that work in varying agencies under homeland, I was actually at the range earlier with one of them because he had to qual. I was offered a few positions years ago but they all required extensive travel and a lower wage than I was making at the time.

The reason I'm explaining this to you is to show that I actually know what I'm talking about and I'm not randomly speculating or being a "wikipedia/google expert"

To look at this rationally , you have to understand how things work. Homeland isn't some huge organization of doorkickers & triggerpullers, think of Homeland as an umbrella corporation it's comprised of a bunch of mostly civilian admin alphabet agencies

TSA (transportation security admin)
Mostly civillian mouthbreathers except for the Air Marshals & there's only about 3800 of them.


ICE (Immigration & Customs enforcement)
Is in a strange transition, you have roughly 12,000 admin personel and 8,000 Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) Agents (Federal LEO's) These guys really don't have a clearly defined mission, it's pretty diverse...they sorta do everything.

FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency)
FEMA has rougly 7000 employees and only a handfull of LEO's (Fema Police) over at Mt Weather, they are literally the keystone cops of fed leo's , why they even go to FLETC is beyond me...lol

CBP (Customs & Border Protection)
Has roughly 40,000 LEO's , training varies from fairly locked on to "blick once for yes, twice for no" , Coming back from the Bahamas & going through customs in NYC, the wife and I got fingered for a "Secondary". They failed to find 2 Boxes of Cuban Cohiba Rubustos I picked up in Atlantis. Great risk leads to great reward!


The Coast Guard (Which was previously under the DOT)
4000 LEO's

The Inspector Generals Office
Oversight/PR

and the Secret Service (Who mostly looks for counterfeit money)
3000 agents , 1400 uniformed officers

So in TOTAL, all of Homeland, you have 56,000-57,000 LEO's In contrast the NYPD is 37,000 officers strong ALONE.

Sooooo, what I would like to know is this. Using logic , reason and facts (not speculation & guesstimates) can anyone here explain to me how 57,000 psuedo cops from 6 different agencies is going to effectively secure & detain any dissidents in a country of 300 million square miles with 330 million residents. If only 1% of the population says "Eff this!" that's 3,300,000 people that need to be tracked, arrested and detained. Think of the logistics alone!?!

Preparing - present tense? Hey DHS, many of us are ALREADY prepared.

Originally posted by GovtFlu

At the 1st sign of mass doo doo.. I'm outta here.

Its a big planet with lots of neat places to live... lines drawn on maps by so called "leaders" along with colored cloth on sticks are nothing but mental barriers.

ROFLMFAO! If you wait for the "first sign of mass doo doo", it will be too late! better get NOW, while the getting is good - and don't let the door bump you in the ass on the way out!

See ya! have fun and good luck - and don't forget to write!