Germany - A Koran in Every Household

reply to post by FlyersFan



I take this both ways. The best way to inform people and rid ourselves of the xenophobia we all suffer is to educate ourselves. This same initiative should be done with literature from other races and belief systems so we could finally, through knowledge, get over the mental diarrhea we all suffer from whenever something we don't understand comes along.

EDIT:
They could be trying to convert people if they are radicals. Though being Muslim doesn't make you a crazy person in my book.(bible)

Originally posted by Sahabi
I'm an ex-Salafi Muslim. I left the religion of Islam last year.

Let me tell you guys this.... the Salafi school of thought is perhaps the most hardcore, radical, and fundamentalist ideology under the banner of Islam.

There is NOTHING nice about the as-Salif as-Salih. They will have all Israelis, Jews, homosexuals and any who support them (Americans, Westerners, Christians) slaughtered. Thereafter, all others must bow to Islam or surrender and pay the jizyah tribute tax.

Peace.

edit on 4/17/12 by Sahabi because: (no reason given)

Hi,

What are the protocols that must be met before killing infidels including women and children? I recall something about an imam must give approval especially if innocents are likely to be killed. They (the radicals) must submit a plan to the iman and then the imam decides if all the likely to be killed infidels have been offered an opportunity to convert. Wouldn't gifting all the people in a target area a koran be considered by an iman as meeting that requirement? And if so, doesn't that mean that the radicals in Germany will be given the blessings of an imam to kill any and all in any fashion they choose?

reply to post by ollncasino


I suspect your correct.
Just as The Saudi's are behind the vast majority of extremist Mosques in the UK.

What concerns me more than them wasting a fortune on printing and delivering an unreadable and immensely boring book to people who really have no interest whatsoever in it or it's message is that the people who run our country must be aware of who is behind this rise in extremism and by their inaction seem complicit in it.

Now why would that be?

Originally posted by Freeborn
What concerns me more than them wasting a fortune on printing and delivering an unreadable and immensely boring book to people who really have no interest whatsoever in it or it's message is that the people who run our country must be aware of who is behind this rise in extremism and by their inaction seem complicit in it.

Now why would that be?

I honestly don't know why Western politicans are ignoring Islamic extremism.

Saudi silver greasing palms to spread Islam in the West?
Politicians being hamstrung by pressure groups?
A certain Middle East democracy benefiting in creating Islam vs. West tension?
The super rich over-class benefiting from destabilising Western Society?
Crisis politics in which politicians benefit from the perception of threat and crisis?

All of the above?

reply to post by ollncasino


Oh, please don't get me wrong, I have no earth shattering revelation that provides all the answers.

I am as confused as you.

I've heard all the theories about NWO, divide and conquer, population reduction, blah blah blah......and whilst there may be an element of truth in some or even all of them I'm still not convinced.

But one thing that does seem increasingly apparent is that the elites are fully aware of who is behind this rise in Muslim extremism and seem reluctant to do much about it.

I honestly can't make head nor tail of it.

On the one hand we have MSM giving an exaggerated impression of the threat posed by Muslim extremism, (yes, there is a threat of creeping Islamification but the vast majority of the UK remains unaffected at present), and then they insist that the extremists are not representative of the majority.
They then expect us to believe that the few brave Muslims who publicly oppose the extremists ARE representative of the majority.
Double standards if ever I've heard them.

I don't know if what I have said is coherent or makes any sort of sense at all.
I really am having difficulties understanding all the intricacies and expressing the confusion I feel.

Originally posted by Germanicus
But what is wrong with it? Wouldnt it educate people on islam?


........ You people shouldnt be so scared of everything. They are giving books away. They cant make people take them. I have a copy myself. Why not learn about it?

Free books. Call the cops

There is no need to be so scared of everything.

edit on 17-4-2012 by Germanicus because: (no reason given)

So, it's OK to give out free Bibles to Islamic families in Germany, etc, right?

Just a free book. Just a little education to the "religion of peace."

No harm, right? Right?

Originally posted by signal2noise
So, it's OK to give out free Bibles to Islamic families in Germany, etc, right?

Just a free book. Just a little education to the "religion of peace."

I'm not a Christian but I would happily chip in money to do that.

After all, if we are not expected to be offended by a Koran for every house in Germany, how could Muslims possibly be offended by a Bible for every Muslim family in Germany?

Not unless there is a double standard at work.

All religion should be banned full stop, if you need to believe in something then do so by believing in your neighbour no matter whether next door, next road, next town etc or the next country or next continent or colour, every living thing in this world practically is a male and female species of their kind and why is this.........to make sure they maintain that species best chance of surviving.

We are so clever yet twice as much at least stupid, who puts these religious people in charge who can say a few words that sends hundreds of thousands if not millions into a mindless hate and sometimes killing frenzy or hatred, who are repeating the same lines said hundreds of years ago yet mindless souless people still believe to this day.

Most things in this world have progressed but the further we progress the further religion seems to regress, it is stuck in a time warp it seems and is the best brainwashing program going!!!!!

I don't care what colour you and I am or where we both come from, all I care is that if you need help and I can I will and in return you will do the same, we have things in common such as been humans and been alive, we have family we have interests that we can share and learn from each other........this is how humankind should be.

Wolfie

reply to post by seentoomuch


According to the most comprehensive teachings of Islam, women and children are prohibited to kill in war.

• "Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, or an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save food for yourself. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone." Quoted by the first Khalifah Abu Bakr

• [ It is narrated on the authority on Abdullah that a woman was found killed in one of the battles by the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.). He disapproved of the killing of women and children.] Hadith Sahih Muslim Book 19 Number 4319

• [ It is narrated by ibn Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) forbade the killing of women and children. ]
Hadith Sahih Muslim Book 19 Number 4320

• "....whoever kills a single soul unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land, it is though he had killed all of humanity together, and whoever saves the life of a single soul, it is as though he had saved the life of all of humanity together..." Surah 5 Ayah 32

However, as can be seen with the improvised explosive devices (IEDs), suicide bombers, and general guerrilla attacks on civilians.... Islamic Radicals do not care nor obey the above edicts. They ignore it and kill whomever they so well please, or obey their local Imam (community religious leader). There is much Islamic ignorance even among those who call themselves fundamentalists.
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But you do make a good point!!! Allow me to elaborate.

I do not care what any Islamic apologist or moderate Muslim says....

Truth be told... Right now all Salafis, Jihadists, Fundementalists, and Extremists officially count all Israelis and Jews as enemy combatants because of the immoral occupation of Palestine by the secular zionists. By default, any allies of Israel are also considered as enemy combatants.

(I hope everyone understands that Zionism is NOT Judaism, because I really don't want to have this debate here.)

Additionally, all nations involved in military actions against Islamists in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Yemen, and Somalia are considered enemy combatants, as well as their allies.

Islamic hatred is primarily directed towards the U.S., Israel, U.K., and their allies.

In order to legally engage a people in battle, the people must first be given Islamic information. Afterwards, they are given a choice to convert to Islam. Once a call to prayer has been announced, if the people do not come out embrassing Islam and ready to pray... they may be slaughtered as they stand as disbelievers.

I wonder if giving every German household a Qur'an is an honest gesture of sharing religious understandings in order to pave the way for Peace.... or if it is a campaign to see which Germans may be counted as acknowledged disbelievers.


Peace.

Originally posted by Sahabi
I wonder if giving every German household a Qur'an is an honest gesture of sharing religious understandings in order to pave the way for Peace.... or if it is a campaign to see which Germans may be counted as acknowledged disbelievers.

Thank you for explaining the situation for me. And wow, I'm wondering too......

Originally posted by chadderson
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

Dont hate islam because your TV told you too. Stop stomping on peoples beliefs.

So don't believe "western-media" telev programs , but something like re-legion should be worthy of consideration for belief? sort of like the byte calling the bit programming?.

Religion, beyond debt, is a great way to enslave someone.

Muslim, Jew or Christian, same "god" that doesn't exist.

Let them give out a trillion... won't make the lies true... there is no god.

Derek

reply to post by Freeborn

star for you... but how could the Brits let this happen?

instead they go and attack Christianity claiming atheism and in essence running from a battle of ideology... which is a cowardly act on the global stage.

It would seem Britons can't remember the values which founded their civilization.

Originally posted by Freeborn
But so what?

Hmmmm ..... a radicalized version of Islam trying to build a following ... inundating a country with their radicalized version of Islam ... no one knowing where the money for these 25 million books comes from .... yep, nothing to pay attention to here. Everyone move along ... nothing to see ...

Originally posted by Sahabi
I would assume the Qur'ans are sponsored by Saudis.

ahhhhhh .... the Royal Sauds are known for appeasement of the croc ... I'm glad you are on this thread Sahabi ... your 1st hand knowledge of this group will help educate us all.

Originally posted by Freeborn
The Koran is nothing but words.....

absolutely. but try throwing away your 'free qu'ran' and see what happens ...
It would be an interesting experiment. Anyone in Germany want to give it a try?
Let us know how it goes.

Free firwood?

I read the Koran, after 1st reading the bible. It gets into rules upon rules with an us vs them mentality from its beginning that only left me feeling sorry for anyone who tries to get to know about God via that book.

The only way I can imagine anyone "appreciating" it is via intensive brainwashing indoctrination. It sure doesn't make any sense when just picking it up and reading it - other than someone's slavery system.

And passing that out in Germany? What are they nuts? They're asking for their own genocide doing that. Unlike the bible, that book doesn't "lead people" into their religion. Only their thugs threatening violence do that. They offer the choice of being their slave or being dead. I have Jesus in my heart and I'd rather be dead. Obviously the concept pours gas on the religious war fires...

reply to post by n00bUK

Really, its starting to piss me off now. Go outside and meet some frikkin Muslims

reply to post by chadderson

Dont hate islam because your TV told you too. Stop stomping on peoples beliefs

I have given much time, energy, and money into Islam and Islamic communities. I've helped so many Muslim brothers. I used to be an Amir (community leader) and treasurer of a past Islamic community.

Now... just because I have left Islam in favor of universal love and brotherhood.... I have lost many of my Muslim best friends. I am no longer welcome to any mosque or Islamic community event. Some of my old friends even believe that I am now eligible for the death penalty simply because I left Islam.

My family begs me to not write my inside knowledge of Islam and to give up Islamic religious debates because they fear I may be assassinated.


Now you tell me that Islam is the religion of Peace! Now tell me there is no force or compulsion is religion!!!


Should I have to fear for my life because I left Islam, openly speak about the evils of Islam and the corruption within its history and doctrines?

Religion of peace my ass!

reply to post by reitze

Islam means Peace has to be the most insulting motto for a religious establishment that I can think of...

it is totally the opposite of what they practice and preach.

blasphemy to a Christian I would think?

I'slam to this individual westerners point of view simply means "I slam my woman" and it is sanctioned by God.

personally I have no problems with Islam... I just despise their men, but I do love all their women... specially for putting up with their mens crap.

you probably won't meet a more courageous female on the planet today...

I don't agree with men of I-slam marrying 9 year old girls either, which was lowered recently from 12 years old...

what really gets my goat is that an Imam can marry you for an hour or for years depending on how long you want to use the female.

I mean whats the matter with letting women drive anyway?

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we've got a big problem in Britain and France right now where they are practicing their ways in western society! no one seems to mind though in those places...

I would expect an army of liberated females of the world to take care of this problem for all of us... but I guess they just aren't aware of the urgency of the situation?

Britain and France disgusts me for these facts...

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by DarthMuerte

 

Well I think your interpretation is off.

Have you ever read the Tulmud/Torah/Tanakh. I confess I havent but I have read enough to know there is some pretty messed up stuff in there. They dont seem to scare everybody.

Im sure you could take the Bible the wrong way if you wanted to.

No, I haven't. However, I am not to worried about Jews strapping bomb vests on their kids and sending them after non-combatants.

Originally posted by Germanicus
reply to post by Masamune69

 

I hate the west and I actually live here. Im not surprised that there are extremists when the American Army invades their land.

Why not move to Saudi Arabia or Iran then? Be happy, don't stay here and allow your hatred to fester.