Americans Bombed Pearl Harbor With Airplanes Designed To Look Japanese, page 25

posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 12:09 PM

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One flaw in your theory that "We" attacked ourselves in Pearl Harbor......

At the same time Japan took Guam and held it for 3+ years. Japan seized US soil, US Marine barracks, and US military members on Guam.

Congress knew the Japanese were going to take Guam and evacuated all dependents and most of the military. Left 1 junker little boat there and we didn't put up a fight as Japan took Guam. Prior to Pearl Harbor, Congress was arguing over fortifying Guam....they decided why waste the money when whatever we build there.....the Japanese would have it.

ProudBird

posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 12:58 PM

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reply to post by blocula

Actually, this is NOT true:

Its no more or less offensive than saying 911 was an inside job and thats exactly what millions of people think.....

Period.

ProudBird

posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 01:08 PM

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I read, in another's post........someone wrote, and to describe (the 'OP') as a,

....... and I quote:

.........a "man/boy/troll".

OK....that seems a bit "harsh" (even if we ..... some of us.....may be thinking it.....along the same lines....of thought.....).

POINT is, and this goes for ALL 'open forum posts' on ATS......certain attacks of that nature do not belong in the "open forums".

Tell a moderator.....send a 'U2U'......or just use the "Complaint" feature of ATS.....(even IF it's in your head?? And, we all agree??)

Public eviscerations are not the way.......

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denver22

posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 03:21 PM

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denvers back yes me bloc yes tptb lies yes tptb are corrupt etc.

but you have a habit of saying everything is a lie and it is insulting people.
your ignorance about people that have died is uncalled for and offensive .
you haven't a clue about what you are saying about the deaths of the said people involved.
you pay no attention to the facts people provide and only see it your way.
p.s

so what if they new of the attack
so what if they wanted to allow it to happen as an excuse for launching the bomb..
the fact is it happend and it was the japs involved..

do some research bloc ......... before you make claims.....

Soylent Green Is People

posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 04:51 PM

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Originally posted by denver22
...but you have a habit of saying everything is a lie ...

Yes. As I said before, Blocula's method of winning ANY argument is to make blanket claims that all other information except his own information is a lie. Those blanket claims are easy for him to make: i.e., he simply says "If something does not agree with my pre-conceived notions, then it must be a lie".

It's his M.O. to hang on to his pre-conceived notions without ever considering other points if view -- and when anyone else presents another point of view on the subject, he dismisses it by stating "it's a lie". He has yet to produce any evidence that would show that the Americans lied about the Japanese bombing pearl harbor, or evidence that shows the Japanese are lying about the fact that they DID attack pearl harbor -- but his lack of evidence doesn't stop him from claiming that everyone except himself is knows only lies.

Again, for a person to believe that his ideas are the only "true" ideas, while everyone else around him is simply repeating lies, that is the definition of being close-minded.

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denver22

posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 05:07 PM

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I say it reminds me of a sheeple who follows blindly and takes a notion of a conspiracy as a fact without attempting to look at the other side of the argument.. with bloc its a one sided affair .

open your eyes to the other side bloc .....

denver22

posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 05:10 PM

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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

As well as knowing that you or anyone else cannot prove that japanese people in the japanese military from japan attacked and bombed pearl harbor and any so called evidence that anyone decides to use as proof that they did,i can easily counter,turn it around and explain how the american government and its military high command very well may have staged and carried out the attack and thats exactly what i think they did...

so where is your so called evidence then?? proof bloc by the way??

denver22

posted on Apr, 21 2012 @ 05:18 PM

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Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by

My uncle was killed during the vietnam war,but that doesnt stop me from saying that war was fabricated by the american government and its military high command,because it was...

because it was .......... where is your proof that it was ........

lets see it then?

if you are gonna say it was then "PROVIDE PROOF" plz

blocula

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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The August 4th 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident,when US warships were apparently attacked by North Vietnamese PT Boats,an incident that kicked off US involvement in the Vietnam war,was a staged event that never actually took place...

Declassified Vietnam Era Transcripts Show Senators Knew Gulf Of Tonkin Was A Staged False Flag Event > www.prisonplanet.com...

Gulf Of Tonkin Incident > en.wikipedia.org...
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blocula

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 02:24 AM
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"All men having power ought to be mistrusted"

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"

"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad"

James Madison 1751-1836

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AngryCymraeg

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 05:34 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22

The August 4th 1964 Gulf of Tonkin incident,when US warships were apparently attacked by North Vietnamese PT Boats,an incident that kicked off US involvement in the Vietnam war,was a staged event that never actually took place...

Declassified Vietnam Era Transcripts Show Senators Knew Gulf Of Tonkin Was A Staged False Flag Event > www.prisonplanet.com...

Gulf Of Tonkin Incident > en.wikipedia.org...
edit on 22-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

...which has nothing to do with this incident, where there is an ocean of evidence from both the US and Japan that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour. Fail. Try again.

AngryCymraeg

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 05:35 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22

"All men having power ought to be mistrusted"

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"

"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad"

James Madison 1751-1836

edit on 22-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Irrelevant. Try again.

stumason

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:48 AM
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Indeed and that is the conspiracy.

Not that Pearl Harbour happened or that it was an inside job, but rather the Americans knew full well an attack was coming and allowed it to happen. This is why all the carriers (which would go on to win the War in the Pacific) were out at the time and the only ships of note that were sunk were the soon-to-be obsolete Battleships.

stumason

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 06:52 AM
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Originally posted by AngryCymraeg
Sorry, but can you cite sources for any of this at all?

I'll dig some up for you when I can be arsed

But it is a well known "fact" that the Yanks did have some pre-warning, from the monitoring of the Japanese attache in Hawaii, their own military intelligence, the fact all the carriers left mere days before the attack, to the fact the Japanese were under an oil embargo by the US at the time.

The embargo alone forced them to declare war as they needed to take Indonesia, Brunei and other Oil producing states which would have led to a US counter offensive, so they hoped to knock the US Pacific Fleet out with a sucker punch. All it really did was wipe out ships that would prove to be obsolete anyway and really piss of the American public.

stumason

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 07:08 AM
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reply to post by blocula

Bloc, lets break down your theory and see where it falls apart...

You claim the attack was by US personel.. Hundreds, even thousands of them, it seems. Are you expecting us to believe that every single one kept his mouth shut?

You also claim that the aircraft were Japanese aircraft, made in the US. This would require such an extensive manufacturing chain, geared specifically to make Japanese parts, with Japanese serial numbers that litterally tens of thousands of people would have to be involved. Are you expecting us to believe all these kept quiet too?

Japanese aircraft were superior to the initial US ones. Why then, if the US built the planes, did they then insist on using inferior tech for the first half of the War were Japan ran roughshod over not only the US, but the UK as well?

The Japanese Imperial command, as well as more contemporary sources, give massive amounts of detail to the Japanese involvement. Are you seriously expecting us to believe that the Japanese happily went along with being framed for what was a rather "dishonourable" attack (they had actually planned to start the attack 30 mins after the DoW, but got their timing wrong) they didn't commit?

At the same time of the attack, the Japanese ambassador was delivering a DoW to the US?

There is all the wreckage and capture/killing of Japanese pilots...Explain that..

I could go on, but I think unless you can fully explain away the above (not by simply dismissing them) with genuine evidence, you are sunk and merely continuing in this thread is making you look like a total pillock.

Soylent Green Is People

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22

"All men having power ought to be mistrusted"

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"

"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad"

James Madison 1751-1836

edit on 22-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Fine. James Madison said these things, and these words have some level of truth in them...

...HOWEVER, what does this specifically have to do with the specific claims you are trying to make here?

Granted, people can lie; it's a human trait, unfortunately. Also, and obviously, governments can lie. However, that doesn't mean that everything is a lie. There are mounds of evidence that shows the Japanese did in fact attack Pearl Harbor, and the only evidence you have to the contrary is the claim that "governments can lie".

Your whole argument is a sort of Ad ignorantiam fallacy. The basis of your claim is that governments can and do lie (and I'll generally agree with you on that). However, your fallacy is taking this argument to the extreme by saying "...And since governments can lie, that's the sole reason why I think the Americans bombed Pearl Harbor".

You counter any and all evidence that the Japanese were in fact responsible by simply saying "governments lie". That's not evidence to the contrary; that's simply a blanket dismissal of the facts without just cause.

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denver22

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 08:20 AM
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Bloc what does that have to do with the price of japanese midget subs..?
vietnam is not pearl harbour , you cannot compare this as iasked about the pearl harbour incident..not vietnam

Bloc your opinion counts so try and make it so...plz

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blocula

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 02:56 PM
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Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22

"All men having power ought to be mistrusted"

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"

"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad"

James Madison 1751-1836

edit on 22-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Irrelevant. Try again.
To say that this quote > "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" is irrelevant,is laughable...

denver22

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 03:33 PM
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denver22

posted on Apr, 22 2012 @ 03:36 PM
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Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by denver22

"All men having power ought to be mistrusted"

"If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"

"It is a universal truth that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to the provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad"

James Madison 1751-1836

edit on 22-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Irrelevant. Try again.
To say that this quote > "If tyranny and oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy" is irrelevant,is laughable...

bloc the only thing i see laughable is your claims ...
no proof sorry try again