Americans Bombed Pearl Harbor With Airplanes Designed To Look Japanese

Originally posted by HattoriHanzou
reply to post by blocula

 

It is really amazing to see how closed minded people can be on a conspiracy web site. One wonders about the motivations of some of your critics.

As with 9/11, the biggest clues that something was wrong are not really hard to miss unless you are trying not to see them.

911 is our generations pearl harbor,theres no doubt about that...

People can think and believe and say anything they want.I understand that denial is easier to live with.Because i know that all truths pass through three stages,first they are ridiculed,then they are violently opposed and then they are accepted as being self evident...

Unfortunatey,usually only after those people who were implicitly involved in supressing the reality about the part they played in the sinister events are all dead and gone,is when the truth will be revealed,when they are well beyond the reach of close scrutiny and justice...

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by blocula
...And whats your evidence that japan attacked pearl harbor?...because tptb said so?...

Mostly because the Japanese said so...

...or are you going to claim that the Japanese Imperial government of WWII was also fooled by TPTB into thinking they (the Japanese) actually did it?

I mean, don't you think the Japanese government at the time (back in 1941) would have known if they were NOT the ones who really bombed Pearl Harbor?

edit on 4/18/2012 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

I have already said that the japanese government and its military high command would have loved to claim the blame for having done something they never even did,attacking and bombing pearl harbor,because that would ensure them great psych ops weapons of propaganda to fill their mainstream publics thought and minds with and to make their seemingly unstoppable at the time military seem all the more invincible and indestructable...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by blocula
...And whats your evidence that japan attacked pearl harbor?...because tptb said so?...

Mostly because the Japanese said so...

...or are you going to claim that the Japanese Imperial government of WWII was also fooled by TPTB into thinking they (the Japanese) actually did it?

I mean, don't you think the Japanese government at the time (back in 1941) would have known if they were NOT the ones who really bombed Pearl Harbor?

I have already said that the japanese government and its military high command would have loved to claim the blame for having done something they never even did,attacking and bombing pearl harbor,because that would ensure them great psych ops weapons of propaganda to fill their mainstream publics thought and minds with and to make their seemingly unstoppable at the time military seem all the more invincible and indestructable...

What about the Japanese pilots and naval personnel who carried out the attack, many of whom have told their stories, and some of whom are still alive today, telling their stories.

If you are going to claim that those Japaneses participants and witnesses to history are all making up their stories, then there is NO LEVEL of evidence that would sway your pre-conceived notions. All you need to do is dismiss all the evidence of a Japanaese attack with a wave of your hand, saying "They're all lying".

That's all you ever do, come to think of it. Any evidence contrary to your various claims have been dismissed by you with a wave of your hand and the baseless claim that "Everyone else is lying", baseless because you never produce evidence to those alleged lies. That's such an easy cop-out to get your way in any argument: just make a blanket claim that ALL of the evidence contrary to your position is a lie or is false.

Your behavior is the definition of close-mindedness. You create a pre-conceived notion in your head, then blindly dismiss ANY AND ALL evidence to the contrary, simply because it goes against that pre-conceived notion.

You don't think outside the box, but instead you create your own tiny little box, label it something like "The Americans Really Bombed Pearl Harbor", then lock yourself away in that tiny little box, closing your eyes, ears, and mind to everything else.

People on this thread have provided evidence contrary to your claim. You have provided no evidence, but rather only baseless speculation and conjecture. If everyone else in the world is lying about the Japanese attacking Pearl Harbor, then please show some evidence of those lies (and your own speculation is not evidence).

** Double post **

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

I would if i was a member of military intelligence,or a member of the fbi and my secret mission was for me to be implanted disguised as a soldier guarding crashed japanese airplanes at pearl harbor.So i could get close enough to remove any incriminating evidence that would lead to the american public finding out that its own government and military designed,staged and carried out the attack and bombing of pearl harbor,In order to drag america into another world war,to further increase and enhance their power and to ensure super wealth for themselves and their big business war machine industrialists...

edit on 18-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Or, perhaps they might have found out that - heaven forbid! - they were actually Japanese planes! WHICH. THEY WERE.

Originally posted by blocula
911 is our generations pearl harbor,theres no doubt about that...

People can think and believe and say anything they want.I understand that denial is easier to live with.Because i know that all truths pass through three stages,first they are ridiculed,then they are violently opposed and then they are accepted as being self evident...

Unfortunatey,usually only after those people who were implicitly involved in supressing the reality about the part they played in the sinister events are all dead and gone,is when the truth will be revealed,when they are well beyond the reach of close scrutiny and justice...

edit on 18-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Translation: "I have nothing and I know that I have nothing, because everyone else has shot my theory into tiny, tiny, pieces, but what the hell I'm thinking so far out of the box that I have to be right! Right? Hello? Why is everyone s'n-word'ing at me?"

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by Soylent Green Is People

Originally posted by blocula
...And whats your evidence that japan attacked pearl harbor?...because tptb said so?...

Mostly because the Japanese said so...

...or are you going to claim that the Japanese Imperial government of WWII was also fooled by TPTB into thinking they (the Japanese) actually did it?

I mean, don't you think the Japanese government at the time (back in 1941) would have known if they were NOT the ones who really bombed Pearl Harbor?

edit on 4/18/2012 by Soylent Green Is People because: (no reason given)

I have already said that the japanese government and its military high command would have loved to claim the blame for having done something they never even did,attacking and bombing pearl harbor,because that would ensure them great psych ops weapons of propaganda to fill their mainstream publics thought and minds with and to make their seemingly unstoppable at the time military seem all the more invincible and indestructable...

Utter twaddle. The Japanese Government took the credit for bombing Pearl Harbour because they ordered it. All the evidence - the physical evidence, the written record, everything - confirms this. You still have.... my, my, what a mound of stuff I have here on my side, whilst on your side you have, ah yes... nothing.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

I would if i was a member of military intelligence,or a member of the fbi and my secret mission was for me to be implanted disguised as a soldier guarding crashed japanese airplanes at pearl harbor.So i could get close enough to remove any incriminating evidence that would lead to the american public finding out that its own government and military designed,staged and carried out the attack and bombing of pearl harbor,In order to drag america into another world war,to further increase and enhance their power and to ensure super wealth for themselves and their big business war machine industrialists...

edit on 18-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Or, perhaps they might have found out that - heaven forbid! - they were actually Japanese planes! WHICH. THEY WERE.

They probably were japanese airplanes,but they were not built in japan and the japanese didnt build them.Most likely they were built by americans under strict secrecy,using japanese blueprints and the airplanes were most likely flown by japanese americans and hawaiians,who were either coerced and threatened and or brainwashed and paid off to attack and bomb pearl harbor and when seen by americans from the ground, those pilots would have appeared to be real japanese people really from japan and even when a few of those pilots bodies may have been seen by some americans close up,while laying dead amongst their airplanes wreckage,they still would have appeared to be real japanese people really from japan...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

I would if i was a member of military intelligence,or a member of the fbi and my secret mission was for me to be implanted disguised as a soldier guarding crashed japanese airplanes at pearl harbor.So i could get close enough to remove any incriminating evidence that would lead to the american public finding out that its own government and military designed,staged and carried out the attack and bombing of pearl harbor,In order to drag america into another world war,to further increase and enhance their power and to ensure super wealth for themselves and their big business war machine industrialists...

edit on 18-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Or, perhaps they might have found out that - heaven forbid! - they were actually Japanese planes! WHICH. THEY WERE.

They probably were japanese airplanes,but they were not built in japan and the japanese didnt build them.Most likely they were built by americans under strict secrecy,using japanese blueprints and the airplanes were most likely flown by japanese americans and hawaiians,who were either coerced and threatened and or brainwashed and paid off to attack and bomb pearl harbor and when seen by americans from the ground, those pilots would have appeared to be real japanese people really from japan and even when a few of those pilots bodies may have been seen by some americans close up,while laying dead amongst their airplanes wreckage,they still would have appeared to be real japanese people really from japan...

edit on 18-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

So, that would no, you have no proof at all.

www.history.navy.mil...

read and weap bloc how do you explain this.............

explain the japanese SUBS found....

bloc sorry to burst your bubble but they found midget subs japanese ones read on..

The Japanese Navy included five Type A midget submarines in the Pearl Harbor raid of 7 December 1941. Transported on board large I type submarines, the midgets were launched near the entrance to Pearl Harbor the night before the attack was to begin. One, spotted trying to enter the harbor before dawn, was attacked and sunk by USS Ward (DD-139) in the first combat action of the as yet unopened Pacific War. At least one of the midgets was able to enter the harbor and was sunk there by USS Monaghan (DD-354). Another, the Ha-19, unsuccessful in its attempts to penetrate Pearl Harbor, drifted around to the east coast of Oahu and was captured there the day after the attack.

Four of the five Pearl Harbor midget submarines have been found. That sunk by Ward was located by the Hawai'i Undersea Research Laboratory in late August 2002 in deep water, some five miles off the entrance to Pearl Harbor. It remains where it sank as an element of the Pearl Harbor National Historic Landmark. The other three have been salvaged. Ha-19 was recovered immediately after the attack and the one sunk by USS Monaghan a few days later. The third was found off the harbor entrance in 1960. The submarine sunk by USS Monaghan's submarine was buried in a landfill shortly after its recovery. Two are on exhibit, Ha-19 at Fredericksburg, Texas, and the one found in 1960 at Eta Jima, Japan.

One of the five Pearl Harbor midgets is still unaccounted for. Recent studies of Pearl Harbor attack photograpy have led some observers to argue that one of the midgets was in place off "Battleship Row" as the Japanese torpedo planes came in, and may have fired its torpedoes at USS Oklahoma (BB-37) or USS West Virginia (BB-48). This contention is still controversial, but, if it is true, the "missing" Type A midget submarine may lie undiscovered inside Pearl Harbor. this thread is done ..

Originally posted by denver22
bloc sorry to burst your bubble but they found midget subs japanese ones read on..

The Japanese Navy included five Type A midget submarines in the Pearl Harbor raid of 7 December 1941. Transported on board large I type submarines, the midgets were launched near the entrance to Pearl Harbor the night before the attack was to begin. One, spotted trying to enter the harbor before dawn, was attacked and sunk by USS Ward (DD-139) in the first combat action of the as yet unopened Pacific War. At least one of the midgets was able to enter the harbor and was sunk there by USS Monaghan (DD-354). Another, the Ha-19, unsuccessful in its attempts to penetrate Pearl Harbor, drifted around to the east coast of Oahu and was captured there the day after the attack.

Four of the five Pearl Harbor midget submarines have been found. That sunk by Ward was located by the Hawai'i Undersea Research Laboratory in late August 2002 in deep water, some five miles off the entrance to Pearl Harbor. It remains where it sank as an element of the Pearl Harbor National Historic Landmark. The other three have been salvaged. Ha-19 was recovered immediately after the attack and the one sunk by USS Monaghan a few days later. The third was found off the harbor entrance in 1960. The submarine sunk by USS Monaghan's submarine was buried in a landfill shortly after its recovery. Two are on exhibit, Ha-19 at Fredericksburg, Texas, and the one found in 1960 at Eta Jima, Japan.

One of the five Pearl Harbor midgets is still unaccounted for. Recent studies of Pearl Harbor attack photograpy have led some observers to argue that one of the midgets was in place off "Battleship Row" as the Japanese torpedo planes came in, and may have fired its torpedoes at USS Oklahoma (BB-37) or USS West Virginia (BB-48). This contention is still controversial, but, if it is true, the "missing" Type A midget submarine may lie undiscovered inside Pearl Harbor. this thread is done ..

You do know that Blocula will just ignore or belittle your excellent facts don't you?

reply to post by blocula


Bloc you have no choice but to concede this one..

The midget jap subs, were there and the proof is before your eyes which indicates the japs were involved..
jap's attacked then they got owned by you lot ...

You see most charlatans, do not want to tell you about the fact that japanese subs were found .
So they can steer you into the realms of conspiracy for people like yourself to buy their books and visit their sites..

keep digging cornelius ull find the master of this house

reply to post by denver22

Bloc you have no choice but to concede this one..

When your arsenal is stocked with weapons as powerful as "maybe", "most likely" and "probably", why concede?

reply to post by blocula


Before you come up with conspiracies like this i suggest you take the time to learn about history. Would you believe someone in the Japanese navy that was there?

wgordon.web.wesleyan.edu... x.htm

Heres another one.

www.ibiblio.org...

And just in case you actually want to learn history i suggest to start here it has alot of details.

wwiiarchives.net...

Another irrefutable fact that it was the Japanese that attacked Pearl Harbor is the battle of Niʻihau. This is the privately owned island where the Japanese Zero pilot Shigenori Nishikaichi crash-landed after his plane received extensive damage during the raid. "Prior to the Pearl Harbor attack the Imperial Japanese Navy designated Niʻihau, which they mistakenly believed to be uninhabited, as a location for damaged aircraft to land after the attack. Pilots were told they could wait on the island and rendezvous with a rescue submarine." (Wikipedia)

It is a very interesting battle waged by civilians against the Japanese pilot.

Historynet.com
ibiblio.org
Wikipedia

All Blocula has to say is that the midget subs were planted there by the Americans, and that the battle of Niʻihau is some sort of lie (he could claim that either the Japanese pilot wasn't really Japanese, or the whole battle for the island was one big lie made up by the Americans, and all of the islanders and the Japanese pilot were all in on the lie).

Of course, Blocula doesn't have any evidence to back up that wild speculation. He doesn't need evidence; instead, he'll just discount any proof regarding the Japanese being responsible for pearl harbor with a wave of his hand and and simply say "It's all a lie", as if him saying it makes it so.

Blocula is just stuck inside his little box, not ever allowing himself to think outside of it, keeping his mind closed to all of the evidence that proves he is wrong, and instead only considering his pre-conceived notions as the only possible "truth".

reply to post by Soylent Green Is People

Yes, Soylent, I understand and agree that blocula, with a mere cut and paste answer can deny these things. However, my post was actually intended to spark curiosity in others who might be reading this thread. The evidence showing Japan as the true perpetrators of the attack on Pearl Harbor is insurmountable. Just it's shear volume, in photos, eye witness accounts, tons of governmental documents from many countries, and all the other reporters, reports and personal memoirs, gives proof to this.

Bloc, you have no legs to stand on concerning your OP. The facts that Japan bombed Pearl Harbor have not been made up, they are not contrived pshy-op propaganda, they ARE real, they are the facts.

Just because something could be made up, does not make it so. You have not given one tiddle of evidence in your argument. You have failed.

So, simply put in a way you can understand, you could be a figment of my imagination. But, then you would have to either be a figment of everyone's imagination who are replying to this thread, or ATS is a figment of my imagination. Either way, you don't exist and that means you lose.

reply to post by blocula


Bloc game over with this thread , the computer says no ...

I used to think this about pearl harbour .until i done some simple research years later..
what they do not tell you in most conspiracy books and sites is the subs found and stuff going on in the background which may i add counts..

This is how Icke and co hook you in, by using their own words.. and the side stepping the facts..
something you are good at as well..

All that i said there is reality
buy it you will sleep better..

By the way bloc i used to think this about pearl harbour when i was a child, i am now 36
but this is ATS and you are allowed your opinion..

Go with some proof, facts in your arguments , then you will have a case for your threads bloc.

Search out both sides of the argument regarding what you look at..
this helps by the way ..

Notice in the Icke department, they will say this or that definitely or had to of happened, when it is only a possibility?????.once again there is conspiracies out there , but this is not one of them..

Again watch the pattern with these charlatans .. watch out for the classic they landed on earth in roswell
and then say the government is lying .. Hang on a minute you should be saying to yourself straight away he has opend the conversation with the ultimate proof when he has none.

This is where they cast the spell on people, by your brain having remembered and by now registering that aliens landed proof walking about sh*t . GO WITH FACTS...

If the narrator goes with maybe a possibility all the way through then it leaves at least the door open slightly bloc.
do not let them make your mind up without some logic and some proof at least.. p.s you have much to learn young jedi.. may the force of logic and facts be with you! peace out bloc

reply to post by blocula


This is SO OFFENSIVE, this thread.......but, seems "par" for this person's 'thread creation' history...

....I am just.....appalled.