Americans Bombed Pearl Harbor With Airplanes Designed To Look Japanese

reply to post by ProudBird
Its no more or less offensive than saying 911 was an inside job and thats exactly what millions of people think and believe it was and so i think and believe that the attack on pearl harbor was also an inside job...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by ProudBird

 

Its no more or less offensive than saying 911 was an inside job and thats exactly what millions of people think and believe it was and so i think and believe that the attack on pearl harbor was also an inside job...

Aha, so you're confessing that you haven't got any proof then!

I don't believe Americans bombed Pearl Harbor themselves, but they definitely allowed the attack to happen, and it was definitely provoked by an American Naval blockade of the Japanese Islands.

The Americans had about 3 days' warning that the Japanese fleet was on their way to Hawaii, they even had reconnaissance photos from airplanes in the Western Pacific. Just before the attack, they had been enforcing an oil embargo of the Japanese islands with a huge naval blockade.

History teaches Americans that Pearl Harbor was an "unprovoked and unexpected" attack. However, the Roosevelt administration needed some sort of big push to get a very cautious public on the side of getting involved with the war effort in Europe, and this was just what they needed.

Before Pearl Harbor there was massive public support AGAINST entering the war. Literally, overnight, this turned to massive public support FOR joining the war effort.

Originally posted by redbarron626
Blocula Really? You have more than a dozen theories that have been dumped in the waste basket known as Skunk Works. You are just like a politician: Half your reputation is ruined by lies, the other half by truth. You are making our site and yourself look more and more ridiculous. Stick with breaking news and leave the conspiracy theories alone.

My Grandfather had a piece of Japanese bomb in his leg since that Sunday morning long ago. He spent 4 weeks in the infirmary and went on to fight at Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima. He lost almost all of his friends that day and to be quite honest, your unsubstantiated claim is a slap in the face to all of them.

Be Ashamed!

Very well said.

Bloc, it's one thing to wonder if something is true but an entirely different matter to whip up an entire conspiracy like this and state it as fact WITHOUT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE!!! Have you ever ever ever thought to confine your accusations to theories that have support? The ability to speculate wildly is not evidence it occurred. Do you honestly not get the difference?

Originally posted by babybunnies
I don't believe Americans bombed Pearl Harbor themselves, but they definitely allowed the attack to happen, and it was definitely provoked by an American Naval blockade of the Japanese Islands.

The Americans had about 3 days' warning that the Japanese fleet was on their way to Hawaii, they even had reconnaissance photos from airplanes in the Western Pacific. Just before the attack, they had been enforcing an oil embargo of the Japanese islands with a huge naval blockade.

History teaches Americans that Pearl Harbor was an "unprovoked and unexpected" attack. However, the Roosevelt administration needed some sort of big push to get a very cautious public on the side of getting involved with the war effort in Europe, and this was just what they needed.

Before Pearl Harbor there was massive public support AGAINST entering the war. Literally, overnight, this turned to massive public support FOR joining the war effort.

edit on 20-4-2012 by babybunnies because: (no reason given)

Sorry, but can you cite sources for any of this at all?

I say, take a trip to Honolulu, make it over to Pearl and take the tourist boat out to the Arizona.
Find the chief duty officer of the watch, one is always on the memorial...
Tell him/her your theory.

If you do get to use your return ticket, you will certainly come back with a different point of view.

reply to post by AngryCymraeg
As well as knowing that you or anyone else cannot prove that japanese people in the japanese military from japan attacked and bombed pearl harbor and any so called evidence that anyone decides to use as proof that they did,i can easily counter,turn it around and explain how the american government and its military high command very well may have staged and carried out the attack and thats exactly what i think they did...

reply to post by blocula

As well as knowing that you or anyone else cannot prove that japanese people in the japanese military from japan attacked and bombed pearl harbor and any so called evidence that anyone decides to use as proof that they did,i can easily counter,turn it around and explain how the american government and its military high command very well may have staged and carried out the attack and thats exactly what i think they did...

We know YOU can turn it around, we know you think..........(fill in the blank). That's what people are trying to tell you!

A delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.

Is WIKI lying too?

reply to post by charlyv


I AGREEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!

I say, take a trip to Honolulu, make it over to Pearl and take the tourist boat out to the Arizona.
Find the chief duty officer of the watch, one is always on the memorial...
Tell him/her your theory.

THIS is one of the Most REPELLENT threads I have ever seen on ATS@!@!@!!!!

And, this particular "ATS member" has authored some "DOOZIES!!!!....let me say,
DOOZIIES:>>>>>>>let me tell you!!!!


BUT this one??? Takes the "cake' for the MOST offensive......EVER!!!!!

"MAYBE" this is the intention, of this certain person....and IF a person thinks it's funny to 'troll' A serious place???? Where ADULTS normally converse???

Then, that person needs to get a frigging LIFE!!!! AND, get out of the crappy "dorm room" in your college, and become an ADULT!!!

(and....yeah.....to the "OP".......this is probably "hilarious' to you, and your "dorm buddies"....but a few of them will "get it" eventually........).......and the "funny" part will fade, really, really really quickly....

reply to post by charlyv


wont happen, the man/boy/troll has a lack of understanding of anything technical. he wont understand how an aircraft flies and is afraid of it.

also it will open his eyes which he is even more afraid of doing as his "reality" will be destroyed.

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

As well as knowing that you or anyone else cannot prove that japanese people in the japanese military from japan attacked and bombed pearl harbor and any so called evidence that anyone decides to use as proof that they did,i can easily counter,turn it around and explain how the american government and its military high command very well may have staged and carried out the attack and thats exactly what i think they did...

the japanese zero was a superior fighter to what the allies had.

the allies were effectively getting their behinds handed to them everytime, i think the kill ratio was quite high near the beginning for the zero's. they finally captured a relatively intact zero, found out its weakness and than eventually began to bring the odds back in their favour with an inferior plane.

kinda doesnt fit your theory does it?

Originally posted by DenyObfuscation

Originally posted by redbarron626
Blocula Really? You have more than a dozen theories that have been dumped in the waste basket known as Skunk Works. You are just like a politician: Half your reputation is ruined by lies, the other half by truth. You are making our site and yourself look more and more ridiculous. Stick with breaking news and leave the conspiracy theories alone.

My Grandfather had a piece of Japanese bomb in his leg since that Sunday morning long ago. He spent 4 weeks in the infirmary and went on to fight at Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima. He lost almost all of his friends that day and to be quite honest, your unsubstantiated claim is a slap in the face to all of them.

Be Ashamed!

Very well said.

Bloc, it's one thing to wonder if something is true but an entirely different matter to whip up an entire conspiracy like this and state it as fact WITHOUT A SHRED OF EVIDENCE!!! Have you ever ever ever thought to confine your accusations to theories that have support? The ability to speculate wildly is not evidence it occurred. Do you honestly not get the difference?

My uncle was killed during the vietnam war,but that doesnt stop me from saying that war was fabricated by the american government and its military high command,because it was...

My grandfather volunteered for service in world war-2 and his tank destroyer ran over a nazi land mine and his body was ripped open by molten steel and even he told me that wars,all wars have to be intentionally started by tptb,because theres too many mouths to feed...

So i'm not slapping anyones face...

War is evil and we are living in an evil world...

What are anyones shreds of evidence that japanese from japan bombed pearl harbor?

In reality,those shreds of evidence are coming from two sources and they are connected and linked together as one,the americn government and its military high command and they both have lied to and deceived the american mainstream public and the rest of the world on numerous occasions...

if the american government and its military high command knew the japanese were going to attack pearl harbor and if they allowed them to do it,to ensure massive public support for another war,then tptb must have wanted to go to war,which means they were also well aware that many thousands of american youth would be crippled and killed during that war and didnt really care that they would be killed...

tptb willingly sacrifice multitudes of their own expendable citizens during wars they want to get involved in,so why wouldnt they also be willing to sacrifice a couple thousand people by attacking pearl harbor themselves?

Tptb,want war and the billions of dollars those wars ensure them.So war is obviously more important to them than human life is.Because we are living in a greed driven society and our empathy,compassion and love for eachother is going extinct and our solidarity has been intentionally broken by tptb through their relentless pursuit of injecting fear,hate and aggression into our minds...

Some distant future generation of people,will be perplexed and amazed,while trying to learn and understand how the vast majority of twentieth century sheeple could have been so gullible and why they were so easily blinded and led astray by their own perpetually lying,war mongering,money hoarding leaders...

reply to post by ProudBird
Chief duty officers and world war two veterans,who dont seem to have anything else to do in life (like spending precious time with their grand children) except standing around in hawaii (thats probably how they're paid off,free room and board in hawaii) waiting for tourists to show up,so they can tell those tourists what they want to hear,while perpetuating tptb's force fed myths and their "our version is the only possible version" lies and deceptions about the attack on pearl harbor and those officers and veterans,are they really officers and veterans? or are we just led to believe they are? becasue in reality,we dont know who they are,they could be anyone,even actors paid to lie,just like everyone on television is...

"An army cannot be built without reprisals.Masses of men cannot be led to death unless the army command has the death penalty in its arsenal.So long as those malicious tailless apes who are so proud of their technical achievements,the animals that we call men,will build armies and wage wars,the command will always be obliged to place the soldiers between the possible death in the front and the inevitable death in the rear"...Leon Trotsky 1879-1940

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

As well as knowing that you or anyone else cannot prove that japanese people in the japanese military from japan attacked and bombed pearl harbor and any so called evidence that anyone decides to use as proof that they did,i can easily counter,turn it around and explain how the american government and its military high command very well may have staged and carried out the attack and thats exactly what i think they did...

I can point to any number of accounts written by Japanese veterans such as Fuchida and Genda, that proves that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour. You still have nothing and this is still an embarrassingly one-sided thread.

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by ProudBird

 

Chief duty officers and world war two veterans,who dont seem to have anything else to do in life (like spending precious time with their grand children) except standing around in hawaii (thats probably how they're paid off,free room and board in hawaii) waiting for tourists to show up,so they can tell those tourists what they want to hear,while perpetuating tptb's force fed myths and their "our version is the only possible version" lies and deceptions about the attack on pearl harbor and those officers and veterans,are they really officers and veterans? or are we just led to believe they are? becasue in reality,we dont know who they are,they could be anyone,even actors paid to lie,just like everyone on television is...

edit on 21-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

You are now accusing veterans who have risked their lives for their country of lying. This is offensive on so many levels that I find it hard to express how low you have just stooped. Go away, child. Take your ridiculous theories and just go away. You are not fit to write with crayon.

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by AngryCymraeg

 

As well as knowing that you or anyone else cannot prove that japanese people in the japanese military from japan attacked and bombed pearl harbor and any so called evidence that anyone decides to use as proof that they did,i can easily counter,turn it around and explain how the american government and its military high command very well may have staged and carried out the attack and thats exactly what i think they did...

I can point to any number of accounts written by Japanese veterans such as Fuchida and Genda, that proves that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour. You still have nothing and this is still an embarrassingly one-sided thread.

How do we know for sure that those "very few" japanese veterans (who 99.999% of us have never seen or talked to face to face) are really who they say they are? we dont know.The vast majority of sheeple were born to follow and they just automatically believe whatever tptb tell them to believe and robotically think whatever tptb want them to think...

How do we know for sure that real japanese world war two veterans actually wrote and are actually writing the "very few" historical books that claim japan attacked pearl harbor? the reality is,we dont know they are,we are just led to believe it...

Most people will willingly and happily "put on a good act" and lie for money and for all we know,those few books could have been written by americans and the filmed footage showing supposed japanese veterans of world war two being interviewed while claiming to know first hand that japan attacked pearl harbor, could all be actors paid to lie...

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by ProudBird

 

Chief duty officers and world war two veterans,who dont seem to have anything else to do in life (like spending precious time with their grand children) except standing around in hawaii (thats probably how they're paid off,free room and board in hawaii) waiting for tourists to show up,so they can tell those tourists what they want to hear,while perpetuating tptb's force fed myths and their "our version is the only possible version" lies and deceptions about the attack on pearl harbor and those officers and veterans,are they really officers and veterans? or are we just led to believe they are? becasue in reality,we dont know who they are,they could be anyone,even actors paid to lie,just like everyone on television is...

edit on 21-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

You are now accusing veterans who have risked their lives for their country of lying. This is offensive on so many levels that I find it hard to express how low you have just stooped. Go away, child. Take your ridiculous theories and just go away. You are not fit to write with crayon.

I accused some veterans (the claimed to be pearl harbor veterans,some of whom i think are paid to perpetuate the myths and lies of tptb) and even my own grandfather,a wounded by nazi steel veteran who volunteered for service in world war two,accused the american government of intentionally fabricating that war,for massive profit and because theres too many mouths to feed and he has a right to think that and say that,wether anyone agrees with him or not...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by AngryCymraeg

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by ProudBird

 

Chief duty officers and world war two veterans,who dont seem to have anything else to do in life (like spending precious time with their grand children) except standing around in hawaii (thats probably how they're paid off,free room and board in hawaii) waiting for tourists to show up,so they can tell those tourists what they want to hear,while perpetuating tptb's force fed myths and their "our version is the only possible version" lies and deceptions about the attack on pearl harbor and those officers and veterans,are they really officers and veterans? or are we just led to believe they are? becasue in reality,we dont know who they are,they could be anyone,even actors paid to lie,just like everyone on television is...

edit on 21-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

You are now accusing veterans who have risked their lives for their country of lying. This is offensive on so many levels that I find it hard to express how low you have just stooped. Go away, child. Take your ridiculous theories and just go away. You are not fit to write with crayon.

I accused some veterans (the claimed to be pearl harbor veterans,some of whom i think are paid to perpetuate the myths and lies of tptb) and even my own grandfather,a wounded by nazi steel veteran who volunteered for service in world war two,accused the american government of intentionally fabricating that war,for massive profit and because theres too many mouths to feed and he has a right to think that and say that,wether anyone agrees with him or not...

And my grandfather served in the British Army throughout the Second World War, saw Dunkirk, Normandy and was present at the discovery of Bergen-Belsen. As for your continued calumnies against the veterans at Pearl Harbour, you still have no evidence at all. So my point above still stands. Go away and take your baseless rubbish with you. Child.