Time to take the gun from the American public!

Originally posted by salamanda
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

How the hell do you unravel that mess in a kid's mind once its been indoctrinated and poisoned in such a manner, let alone how to deal with the unnatural and immediate chaos it's created in a maturing generation of young Americans... young Americans for whom 'fixing' much of these f**k-ups we all read and discuss here on ATS, will be left squarely up them as future leaders. Oh dear... there's another thread! lol

I wish I knew...and I'd give a lot for that answer. My own Son is a bit of a quandary to me. Being my son, people might expect him to be a little Rambo with a fresh Ron Paul or anti-Obama T-shirt every day for school. The truth couldn't be more different. He's leaving Primary school at the end of this year and still the most gentle and kind hearted young boy we could ask for. It's a quandary because he's so unusual compared to his peers. He's high function autistic.....but so are enough a % of his school that it doesn't mean what it used to for being different. That alone is scary.

Take, by contrast, his friend and our new neighbor on this end of the street. About the same age... Also a very friendly and outgoing kid. In an EPIC fail in reading a situation, his mom and I decided a little Gun Safety might be a good idea. My son was shooting when he was 5...(and is still as friendly and outgoing as ever) so I thought it would be a great idea. I spent half a night with the boys showing them how to properly handle, check the loaded status of and make safe a variety of different guns.

All went great....until the next day and every day since. My son appreciated the lesson..but he'd had it before and can probably teach some of it himself by now. The other boy though is now so totally focused and nearly obsessed with the guns that his Mom and I wish the subject never came up at all. We can barely have him over now without every conversation being pushed into firearms in SOME way.

I think I'm seeing some of that mental poison you refer to.....because his interest is creepy, not just little boys natural fascination with things that go boom. Unhealthy...is how my wife and I have termed it. So........IF you ever find an answer to how we dial BACK a kid's downright unhealthy attitude toward weapons, I'm ALL ears......

reply to post by lacrimaererum

I am not in the US. I am looking in. I see a lot of issues.

If that's the case, perhaps you should concern yourself more with Australia, New Zealand, and Ireland. All three have MUCH higher rates of murder per capita than the United States does. I find it ironic that all three also have much stricter gun control laws than we do. How do you feel about that?

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by viperdave


Damn you are so right. While we are at it, why don't we discuss about knives and plastic bags and strangling ropes? I totally agree with you.

reply to post by JonoEnglish

Like I've said in previous posts, every time there is a shooting like this, or a series of them in a short space of time, you will get (probably a Brit) raising the issue of gun control. From our perspective it seems wrong, hence the stance whilst from yours it's already part of your culture.

Your perspective is distorted!

Murders per capita:
Australia is ranked number 18 (at 17.007 per 1 million people)
New Zealand is ranked number 29 (at 5.818 per 1 million people)
Ireland is ranked number 30 (at 5.464 per 1 million people)
Spain is ranked number 37 (at 0.781 per 1 million people)
Canada, the United Kingdom, and the United States are not among the top 37
Source

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused


You are a dsinformation agent? What is your e-mail?

reply to post by AwakeinNM


The rest of the world is just fine without their populous being heavily armed. Only America feels the need to define itself through the gun. As far as I can tell American democracy hasn't been protected at all by guns, though they have managed to kill 10s of thousands of innocent people...

America has a kind of mental illness when it comes to guns...

reply to post by lacrimaererum

WWII was a conflict between countries and their armies. It had nothing to do with american citizens who arm themselves in their home.

I have no doubt that our pre military experience with firearms was an asset though.

See ya,
Milt

I hate to break this to some of you, but, no one, and I mean no one is going to take our guns away... I'm sorry for your loss!

reply to post by lacrimaererum


Guns are the problem people are. A locked door only keeps an honest man, honest. If more civilized people carried firearms "mass shootings" would be almost no existent.

God did not make man equal..Winchester did!

reply to post by BenReclused


Jazes, gun people, not too bright a lot of times... that page you linked to was EUROPEAN statistics... I bet even you know the US isn't in Europe.

Here's a proper list, which DOES include the US and guess what... it's rate is much higher than in Europe.

Surprise surprise.

en.wikipedia.org...

US murder rate 4.8
Ireland 1.25
UK 1.23

The closest country to the US is Thailand at 5.3.

C'mon gun nuts, be honest at least.

I'm sure I can't say anything thats already been said. I can smell you burning from here OP. Dangerous waters you have just entered indeed. There be sharks with freakin laser beams on there head here. The fastest way to a revolution would be the government trying to take our only means of protection away. Is that what you want? If SHTF I bet the first thing you go looking for is some form of protection. Funny thing is more crimes are stopped by people owning guns than crimes commited with guns. Most violent crimes are comitted with a knife... Should we outlaw those too? Car's can be a deadly weapon in the wrong hands so we should ax those too. The real issue is guns getting into the wrong hands. You can blame the system there. If the government used the resources from the "war on drugs" to combat this issue we might see a change.

Something to think about OP. If the federal government passed a bill making us all hand over our guns and we were stupid enough to do it. Do you think the gun toting criminals would hand theres over too? We would end up with a disarmed population but armed criminals. The crime rate would sky rocket. Don't even try and tell me it's the police who will step in. "The cops are only min's away when seconds count". Most shoot outs last seconds even less when one is armed and one has nothing.

"If guns kill people, do pencles misspell words?"

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by AwakeinNM

 

The rest of the world is just fine without their populous being heavily armed. Only America feels the need to define itself through the gun. As far as I can tell American democracy hasn't been protected at all by guns, though they have managed to kill 10s of thousands of innocent people...

America has a kind of mental illness when it comes to guns...

Mental illness? Really? Funny we here all of the time of "rebels" / "liberation fighters" fighting their leaders and government with weapons.

Only in America do the criminals have a better chance of committing the same crime twice. Our freedom is our down fall

you can also go here:

en.wikipedia.org...

And see that murder via gun is by far and away the most common type of murder in the US.

reply to post by the4thhorseman


Yeah, mental illness.

People associate their national identity with guns, which is actually crazy.

And the whole delusion here that guns make America safer, which is absolutely untrue, and easily provable.

Originally posted by captainnotsoobvious
reply to post by BenReclused

 

Jazes, gun people, not too bright a lot of times... that page you linked to was EUROPEAN statistics... I bet even you know the US isn't in Europe.

Here's a proper list, which DOES include the US and guess what... it's rate is much higher than in Europe.

Surprise surprise.

en.wikipedia.org...

US murder rate 4.8
Ireland 1.25
UK 1.23

The closest country to the US is Thailand at 5.3.

C'mon gun nuts, be honest at least.

And what has motivated all of these guns to murder people I wonder?
Could it be that guns dislike how they are being treated? Do they feel disenfranchised and angry because they live in ghettos, surrounded by poverty, gangs and drugs? Could it be they are frustrated at how external forces always seem bent on denying them a chance to improve their lot? The guns are about to get a lot angrier. Because criminals have overtaken the political process and would love nothing more than to get rid of all of the guns.

gun nuts

seriously folks?....an armed force coming to my home to confiscate tools guaranteed to me by my country's own constitution...and were the crazy ones...all righty then

we're gun-owners just leave us the hell alone!

reply to post by captainnotsoobvious


FBI - Uniform Crime Statistics - 2011 overview of programs and tracking

FBI - UCR crime statistics broken down by categories

FBI - UCR - Preliminary Semiannual Uniform Crime Report, January-June, 2011

Yearly change



Hope the info helps... Keep in mind homicides / murders are reported as one overall category. As an example for 2007 in Canada, 1/3 of their homicides / murders were the result of a gun.

reply to post by JonoEnglish

It will reduce the number of shootings though.

That's the problem with the anti-gun crowd. They only focus on shootings, and never address such crimes as murder, assaults, and rapes. Firearms are known to REDUCE these kinds of violent crimes. Those types of crimes are VERY prevalent in many countries with strict gun control laws. Do some research.

See ya,
Milt

reply to post by BenReclused


That is so true. Do you have an E-mail?

I live in California. We have very strict gun laws here

We can only use 10 round clips
Rifle length can be no shorter than 30" everywhere else is 26"
Our magazines have to be fixed, meaning you need a tool to remove it
50 BMG ammo is banned! ( when was the last time a 50bmg was used in a crime?)
.22 cal is used in way more crimes then any other caliber

What these laws do is restrict only law abiding responsible gun owners

Criminals wil not abide by these laws


Be safe people