Time to take the gun from the American public!

Originally posted by Skewed

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Our government is beyond gun wars with us...if it came down to that YOU and all your GUNS would be wiped out and it wouldn't even be a fight. All that hickish, "Come take my guns from my dead hands..." if they wanted they could achieve it very easily.

Never underestimate the power of a bunch of pissed off people.

I can assure you, there will be nothing easy or good about it, for either side. But tptb will not just up and take the guns away without a fight. It would be a logistical nightmare all the way around. They can say or do anything they want, but when the time comes to actually confiscate them will be a whole new story.

Buddy...I realize you believe yourself efficient with your weapon and they'll have to pry it from your cold dead hands, and you probably know a few others who spew the same rhetoric.

I assure you, if it was decided, that's exactly what they would do...pry it from your still warm dead hands, without suffering even ONE casualty.

reply to post by lacrimaererum

Throughout this thread, the supposition presented by the OP indicates the same flawed logic that a doctor has when he prescribes a pill for a pain without adequately addressing the root cause. Regardless of what the original purpose is of the item in question, it is the end result that makes the difference. Whether its guns, drugs, automobiles, pornographic movies, video games, cults, whatever, it is the result of "PEOPLE" acting in a manner that leads to the abhorred violence and death. It is personal responsibility that must be weighed not, the devices that happen to be the instrument of that irresponsibility.

I find it very disturbing that when an anti-gun advocate speaks to eliminating or drastically restricting firearm ownership, they point to how many deaths the weapon "causes". Yet, they say nothing about how many fatalities comes from drug overdose, heart disease, or operating motor vehicles improperly/irresponsibly. I am of the opinion that the reason they don't mention such statistics, especially the vehicle fatalities is because any action to restrict those areas might very well affect them directly. Instead, they would rather target those who own and use firearms and move to change what has been constitutionally guaranteed to citizens of the United States...the right to keep and bear arms.

Until there is some other liberty restricting legislation that outlaws stupidity, we will have to continue to mitigate the dangers of the exercise of our personal rights with continued education, tolerance or others, an a healthy dose of common sense.

ESV

reply to post by lacrimaererum


So the bloodshed argument eh? Well I believe others are with me when I say.. you can have my gun when you pry it from my cold dead fingers...

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by Skewed

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Our government is beyond gun wars with us...if it came down to that YOU and all your GUNS would be wiped out and it wouldn't even be a fight. All that hickish, "Come take my guns from my dead hands..." if they wanted they could achieve it very easily.

Never underestimate the power of a bunch of pissed off people.

I can assure you, there will be nothing easy or good about it, for either side. But tptb will not just up and take the guns away without a fight. It would be a logistical nightmare all the way around. They can say or do anything they want, but when the time comes to actually confiscate them will be a whole new story.

Buddy...I realize you believe yourself efficient with your weapon and they'll have to pry it from your cold dead hands, and you probably know a few others who spew the same rhetoric.

I assure you, if it was decided, that's exactly what they would do...pry it from your still warm dead hands, without suffering even ONE casualty.

Btw... Don't use the term "Hickish".... Hick is not an adjective... I value my right to own a firearm and I use that firearm routinely to feed myself and my family.... That firearm is never going to kill anyone even though it could and it would from quite a long distance away..

If you take that away from me then sure I might as well be dead anyway..

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Now the problem with this whole "Americans need to be disarmed" crap is the one fact that seems to escape you... If you take guns away from the people then the only people with guns would be the criminals....

So basically the only people that would be armed are the ones you wanted disarmed.

Originally posted by StopFearMongering
reply to post by lacrimaererum

 

Also, if everyone was armed there would be no crimes. I read this story about some dummy trying to rob a gunstore, only to be shot down with no other casualties. "A polite society is an armed society". I could get really into all of the different applications firearms are used for, but you've heard them all, no doubt.

edit on 4-4-2012 by StopFearMongering because: (no reason given)

Another myth...

If it were remotely true, gangbangers wouldn't die right, they're all armed correct?

Most people don't know what to do with a gun or would bish up when it came time to, even after they've spent all that time training.

reply to post by DZAG Wright


You know who kill gang-bangers? Other gang-bangers, with guns. And other citizens, with guns. And police officers, with guns.

It's not so much about knowing what to do if you're put in that situation, it's more of a deterrent. Would you decide to shoot up a gunstore like that one dummy did? I'd hope not. And even if you did, you'd be gunned down.

Regardless, I don't see your point. You can't stop criminals from getting guns. Look at the prohibition. The only people who profited from that were the criminals, and people were still getting piss drunk. I'd rather take my chances of freezing up in a shootout rather than not having anything to fire back with. Granted, these are all very extreme circumstances but they do happen occasionally.

For the OP:

How many of those that committed the shootings, had legally obtained their firearms, registered them with local law enforcement, registered themselves in cities that required FOID cards, took gun classes, paid hundreds in certifications/licences/etc, received conceal carry permits, etc?

I'm willing to bet, ZERO

When will they ever learn: criminals will NEVER pay attention to the laws. You make guns illegal, then the criminals will carry them irregardless. They dont give a flip. They dont care now, what makes you think they will disarm after you pass ANOTHER law?

You can take my guns after you pry them out of my cold dead hands.

Nobody will get my guns while Im still kicking. Anybody tries taking them from me, there will be a shoot out. Ill be damned if I am going to be living in a world where guns are banned but the criminals can still get their hands on them. If a criminal with a gun breaks into my house, I want something more than my fists to protect my family. 
Disarming the people will encourage more crime, just look at New York. There is less crime when the people are armed with guns, just look at Texas. If anything, the rediculous law that u need a permit to carry should be BANNED. If you were going to rob somebody, would you be more likely to actually do it if you knew he had a gun or if you knew he did not have a gun? Come on now, take the guns away because someone didn't have control of their own actions.
I knew, 6 months ago, leading up to the next election and into 2013, there would be incidents and highly publicized acts of violence involving guns in America and these incidents would be used to attack our 2nd amendment right. 
The acts of violence are going to continue, I just wonder how far the experiments with project MKULTRA went, what they really learned. Well I think we are witnessing it's success with all the random acts of violence for no apparent reason. This all started with that school shooting in 1997. 

They will never get my guns. I have NO criminal record, never been to jail, I'm legal to own guns and I think I will go out right now and buy another one just because the fact that our rulers do want to grab our guns, angers me. Especially when they ship them into Mexico and release them on the streets to thugs and known criminals and they get away with it.

This is the MAIN reason we will NEVER hand over our guns or let them be taken.

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Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by Skewed

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Our government is beyond gun wars with us...if it came down to that YOU and all your GUNS would be wiped out and it wouldn't even be a fight. All that hickish, "Come take my guns from my dead hands..." if they wanted they could achieve it very easily.

Never underestimate the power of a bunch of pissed off people.

I can assure you, there will be nothing easy or good about it, for either side. But tptb will not just up and take the guns away without a fight. It would be a logistical nightmare all the way around. They can say or do anything they want, but when the time comes to actually confiscate them will be a whole new story.

Buddy...I realize you believe yourself efficient with your weapon and they'll have to pry it from your cold dead hands, and you probably know a few others who spew the same rhetoric.

I assure you, if it was decided, that's exactly what they would do...pry it from your still warm dead hands, without suffering even ONE casualty.

Look, buddy. I do not have a death wish, I would not go 1 vs. 25 as my plan A. I am speaking in terms of my fellow citizens and myself standing side by side if the situation got to that point. But rest assured, if they back me in a corner, I will swing back whether it be 1 person or 50. In that case I probably would not make it and that would be fine, because if they managed to take my and everyone elses guns, I would not want to live in this world anyways, but as long as I am alive, I am keeping my guns.

By removing guns you also have to remove all other weapons from society. Any sharp objects or blunt objects included. This is not a feasible plan, as there will always be people that kill other people. You could kill someone with a butter knife. Gun control advocates are just people who are afraid of guns or people who are too stupid to know that humans are violent by nature.

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by newcovenant

 

Well with that 2nd Amendment, we can as a militia, restore all that has been taken. And I don't think 7 out of 10 Americans are wrong. What America needs right now is a mass deportation of folks just like you.

And I am sure with your gun you can do it.

That has been the plan all along hasn't it?

I am more in line with our forefathers thinking than you will ever be.
I hold more integrity and honor for the Constitution that you will ever realize is written in the document.

reply to post by Blue Goblin

if no body carried a gun, nobody would die. In the fight situation someone would walk away with a fat lip and bleeding nose, in the robbery situation you may get robbed but at least you didn't nearly die or hit someone else. The police would catch the robber anyway and you would get your money back.

And if if's and but's were candy and nuts we'd all have a merry christmas...look im a philosopher myself.
I tend to wonder whether other lifeforms exist, or why were on this planet earth .
But i dont have to sit thinking on a rock "hand over chin" to know the world is imperfect, and there aint a damn thing i can do about. People do and allow sick things to happen everyday, everywhere, and in every way imaginable...robbery at gunpoint, murder, serial killings, terrorist, zombie apocalypse(i jest).

And the simple fact is...guns protect you and your civil rights....when totalitarian -esqe regimes come into power, they go for the ppl's guns first(time and time again).
When citizens scream the constitution is being unamemned or torn apart..its usually over gun rights.
Wheather they like it or not democrats , republican, commies, fat cat-pitalist,gangster, and LAC alike seem to agree its ingrained in our society, the thinking that
guns prevent criminals and crooked politicians from doing what they want, as much as they want.

I admit that sometimes it gives incentive to a normally timid person to act like a tough guy, or to become john Q vigilante.
Still it all comes back to the fact that its a tool(albeit a deadly one) to be used with proper action/cognitive thought as well as training.
A chainsaw could be summed up in a similar aspect,and i havent heard a peep about bans or restrictions on those. But whats to stop someboy from doing that once they have the guns.It would be an endles repetitve, and mostly unproductive cycle.

and to all saying "you'd give your gun up in a heartbeat pussy". I'd have to agree with that somewhat. Personally i'd think the majority wouldnt want to fight, or buck the system...but believe me you would easily get 5 to 10 million americans where they'd literally would have to pry the gun from their "cold dead hands"
And thats more than enough to stop the government from doing a full on weapons ban

While we're at it, let's ban automobiles too! I'm willing to bet the cost associated with the mortalities and morbidities caused by automobile crashes destroys the statistics of gun violence!!

Originally posted by Klassified
reply to post by djzombie

 

Agreed!

Unfortunately, there are people of the same mindset (and worse) as the OP sitting in Wash DC...

edit on 4/4/2012 by Klassified because: partial redaction. Needs resized

You wonder why people get the wrong opinion of rednecks?

There are or used to be civilized sections of society where people could gather without looking over their shoulders for armed bandits. A mass murder by an armed gunman was a rarity. Used to be before everyone touted the benefits of carrying a gun and instilled fear in everyone who did not have one.
There are presumably safe places in your society where guns are not prevalent or necessary and if there isn't you are managing your "society" all wrong or the people you live with are angry, dissatisfied, mentally unsound and unpredictable. You can't call that society CIVILIZED.
Love and respect for others should be earned and not forced or even suggested with a gun in a truly civilized society. Where do you guys holster that thing at the beach? I'm not used to living with rednecks afraid of their shadows and we didn't hunt of food or shoot our animals. We shopped in grocery stores and did not eat the pets.
I mean we have a right to seek out human beings who make a civilized agreement to remain unarmed and associate in places where others are unarmed also. I don't trust people who feel they need to carry a gun on them.
We are not living in Polar Bear country and it is already a little crazy to me - I mean unless you are in law enforcement. Even in the Wild West there were places you had to drop your gun at the door.

Why can't we bring a gun into a court of law then?

What do judges need protection from that the rest of us don't?

When finally in enough of these cases, the facts come out that many people dead WERE ARMED and they had guns on them but did not equal the firepower or speed of the shooter...the guns will be taken away.

When it becomes glaringly simple to prove the "easily affordable, accessible gun-care act" has only caused millions MORE innocent death than it has either saved lives or killed guilty....those are the numbers needed to re-examine what our forefathers meant by MILITIA in the second amendment.

reply to post by newcovenant


When people think redneck they think ugly imbred savage with no education that believes in shoot first and sort em out later.

I do hunt for food btw.. Most of it comes from the grocery store but I do hunt for meat in the freezer.

Not exactly a great idea, OP. Then the only ones with guns is the government and criminals. I'm for gun control, within reason, but totally against public disarmament.

The government would love nothing more than for us to lose our gun rights. Funny word....rights....

reply to post by newcovenant




NO, you seem to have gotton the wrong opinion about the common law abiding gun owner...most arent questioning why they cant stockpile assault weapons, or carry their piece in a wild west cowboy rig

they use weapons for home defense, hunting, sport target shoots, and as a hobby

I dont care who you think they are,
most gun owners arent biting at the bit to shoot some nwo gestapo, or hold rank in an imaginary race war

reply to post by lacrimaererum

I don't suppose you happen to look at how many people the police oops I'm sorry (peace officers ) have shot per year?

About 9,500 people nationally were killed by police during the years 1980 to 2005–an average of nearly one fatal shooting per day.
ColorLines and The Chicago Reporter conducted a joint national investigation of fatal police shootings in America’s 10 largest cities, each of which had more than 1 million people in 2000.
www.colorlines.com...

And over half of those were found to be unarmed people !

Yes and I know these statistics are from 2007, but it is now 2012 and shootings and police butality is up dramatically since then.

So who really needs their guns taken away again?

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by StopFearMongering
reply to post by lacrimaererum

 

Also, if everyone was armed there would be no crimes. I read this story about some dummy trying to rob a gunstore, only to be shot down with no other casualties. "A polite society is an armed society". I could get really into all of the different applications firearms are used for, but you've heard them all, no doubt.

edit on 4-4-2012 by StopFearMongering because: (no reason given)

Another myth...

If it were remotely true, gangbangers wouldn't die right, they're all armed correct?

Most people don't know what to do with a gun or would bish up when it came time to, even after they've spent all that time training.

You are so wrong it's hilarious.

For every one gun crime committed by a criminal, there are something like 3.5 to 4 defensive uses of a gun in the prevention of a crime, and only 10% (I forget the exact %) of those involve the actual use of the gun. In other words, the gun was simply shown to the crook and the crime in progress was halted.

You never hear about these incidents because the MSM is not interested in the positive aspects of gun ownership. They concentrate on the stories where a kid accidentally shoots his sibling when he finds his daddy's gun, and similar situations where they can make the gun look bad and drum up sympathy for their gun control agenda.

So yeah, you're wrong. Do your research rather than making assumptions about gun owners.

I'd like to see you break into my house while I am home. With my training, you'd get two in the chest and one in the head and you'd be dead before your corpse hit the floor.

I prefer to be an active participant in my own survival.

Cops are law enforcers, not protectors. They put up tape and interview witnesses.