Why there's good reason to believe the "Abomination that Causes Desolations" will happen this spr

Originally posted by Israylite4ever

Originally posted by Israylite4ever
reply to post by hab22

 

Ezekiel 38 mentions how Gog, the chief prince of Meshec and Tubal, the Son of Japhet, from the Isle's of the gentiles and lands of the north, aka Europe,(Genesis 10:2). Come against the Land of the real ISRAEL, in the latter days. Gog cannot be Iran for obvious reasons being that it is the land of Persia also mentioned in Ezekiel 38 as a separate entity. Ezekiel 38:10 mentions How the thought of "stealing" the real Israel came to the prince of Meshec and Tubal, GOG. That's why there is so much conflict in the middle east now. That's why 9/11 was an inside job. That's why they want to go to war with Iran and like talking about it everyday on the news.

GOG,MAGOG,MESHEC AND TUBAL are not descendents of Shem, read Genesis 10:2 it's there in plain english. They are descendants of Japheth, brother to Shem. They are the one's who go against the Land of Israel, by force and occupation mentioned in Ezekiel 38 in the latter days AKA NOW. They are the one's who thought the evil thought mentioned in Ezekiel38:10. That thought was to PLAGIARISE The Word of YAHUWAH and His Prophecy. YHWH even mentions how it brings His "fury upon His face", when they do it. We are in the latter days as the fake "UN" created isreal is 100% undeniable proof. The same entity that is behind 9/11 is also behind the creation of the UN's fake 'isreal'.

Also when YAHUWAH/YAHUSHUA addresses the 7 churches of Asia in the Book of Revelation, which are where the 144,000 of the lost tribe of Israel will be chosen from, they would have to be believers in order for Him to address them. The jewish people of the fake UN created 'isreal' don't believe in the one people wrongfully call 'jesus', so where does that make any sense? Gog and Magog are the sole owners of the fake UN created 'isreal'. Satanic forces under the guidance of satan deceived the world into believing who 'isreal' really is supposed to be, but it is YAHUWAH'S will because the people who were to represent Him, whom He blessed as the Sons of Shem, disobeyed Him and were sinning TREMENDOUSLY. We all are paying for sin no matter how close you are to your Creator.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Question for the people who believe in The Old Testament and not the New like the ones who study JUDAISM: WHICH IMMANUEL ARE YOU WAITING FOR? *BORN FROM A VIRGIN I MIGHT ADD*

Hope You don't fall for satan's version of immanuel, because the real Immanuel already came.

www.sacred-texts.com... The People of India and the Lands of the East are SONS OF SHEM. The Sons of Ham are people of the South which is what is called "Africa" now. Japheth's and His sons inherited the Lands of the North where it is COLD. Gog and Magog are sons of Japheth as well as ASHKENAZ, whom jews of german descent call themselves, which is a contradiction that anyone who studies scripture should point out. Gog and Magog occupy "isreal", and the Kingdom of Jerusalem. The Abomination that causes desolation is when they fooled the world into believing the Sons of Japheth, Gog, Magog, Tubal, Meshec, and Ashkenaz are actual SONS OF SHEM WHOM ALL REAL ISRAELITES SHOULD COME FROM. GOG AND MAGOG OCCUPY JERUSALEM NOW GUYS.

And for Japheth came forth the third portion beyond 2 the river Tînâ 3 to the north of the outflow of its waters, and it extendeth north-easterly to the whole region of Gog 4 and to all the country east thereof. 26. And it extendeth northerly to the north, and it extendeth to the mountains of Qêlt 5towards the north, and towards the sea of Mâ’ûk, and it goeth forth to the east of Gâdîr as far as the region of the waters of the sea. 27. And it extendeth until it approacheth the west of Fârâ 6 and it returneth towards ’Afêrâg, 7 and it extendeth easterly to the waters of the sea of Mê’at. 8 28. And it extendeth to the region of the river Tînâ in a northeasterly direction until it approacheth the boundary of its waters towards the mountain Râfâ, 9 and it turneth round towards the north. 29. This is the land which came forth for Japheth and his sons as the portion of his inheritance which he should possess for himself and his sons, for their generations for ever; five great islands, 10 and a great land in the north. 30. But it is cold, and the land of Ham is hot, and the land of Shem is neither hot nor cold, but it is of blended cold and heat.

Originally posted by Israylite4ever
It seems as if the Israelites are the ones being targeted in Afghanistan and Pakistan and framed for the false flag terror attacks of 9/11. The Sons of Shem. Stop the antisemitism and end the false war on terror. Ofcourse that's not going to happen until after the false messiah and prophets start their 2012 New World Order. Too bad those Muslims dont know that they are actual ISRAELITES.

And there came forth on the writing as Shem's lot 2 the middle of the earth 3 which he should take as an inheritance for himself and for his sons for the generations of eternity, from the middle of the mountain range of Râfâ, 4 from the mouth of the water from the river Tînâ. 5 and his portion goeth towards the west through the midst of this river, and it extendeth till it reacheth the water of the abysses, out of which this river goeth forth and poureth its waters into the sea Mê’at, 6 and this river floweth into the great sea. And all that is towards the north is Japheth's, and all that is towards the south belongeth to Shem. 13. And it extendeth till it reacheth Kârâsô: 7 this is in the bosom of the tongue 8 which looketh towards the south. 14.

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[paragraph continues] And his portion extendeth along the great sea, and it extendeth in a straight line till it reacheth the west of the tongue which looketh towards the south; 1 for this sea is named the tongue of the Egyptian Sea. 2 15. And it turneth from here towards the south towards the mouth of the great sea 3 on the shore of (its) waters, and it extendeth to the west to ‘Afrâ 4 and it extendeth till it reacheth the waters of the river Gihon, and to the south of the waters of Gihon, 5 to the banks of this river. 16. And it extendeth towards the east, till it reacheth the Garden of Eden, to the south thereof, [to the south] and from the east of the whole land of Eden and of the whole cast, it turneth to the †east,† 6 and proceedeth till it reacheth the east of the mountain named Râfâ, and it descendeth to the bank of the mouth of the river Tînâ. 17. This portion came forth by lot for Shem and his sons, that they should possess it for ever unto his generations for evermore. 18. And Noah rejoiced that this portion came forth for Shem and for his sons, and he remembered all that he had spoken with his mouth in prophecy; for he had said:

Blessed be the Lord God of Shem,
And may the Lord dwell in the dwelling of Shem." 7

[paragraph continues] 19. And he knew that the Garden of Eden is the holy of holies, and the dwelling of the Lord, and Mount Sinai the centre of the desert, and Mount Zion--the centre of the navel of the earth: these three 8 were created as holy places facing each other. 20. And he blessed the God of gods, who had put the word of the Lord into his mouth, and the Lord for evermore. 21. And he knew that a blessed portion

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and a blessing had come to Shem and his sons unto the generations for ever--the whole land of Eden and the whole land of the Red Sea, and the whole land of the east, and India, and on the Red Sea and the mountains thereof, and all the land of Bashan, and all the land of Lebanon and the islands of Kaftûr, 1 and all the mountains of Sanîr 2 and ’Amânâ, 3 and the mountains of Asshur in the north, and all the land of Elam, Asshur, and Bâbêl, and Sûsân and Mâ‘ĕdâi 4 and all the mountains of Ararat, and all the region beyond the sea, which is beyond the mountains of Asshur towards the north, a blessed and spacious land, and all that is in it is very good.and a blessing had come to Shem and his sons unto the generations for ever--the whole land of Eden and the whole land of the Red Sea, and the whole land of the east, and India, and on the Red Sea and the mountains thereof, and all the land of Bashan, and all the land of Lebanon and the islands of Kaftûr, 1 and all the mountains of Sanîr 2 and ’Amânâ, 3 and the mountains of Asshur in the north, and all the land of Elam, Asshur, and Bâbêl, and Sûsân and Mâ‘ĕdâi 4 and all the mountains of Ararat, and all the region beyond the sea, which is beyond the mountains of Asshur towards the north, a blessed and spacious land, and all that is in it is very good.

Originally posted by Israylite4ever
reply to post by hab22

 

Ezekiel 38 mentions how Gog, the chief prince of Meshec and Tubal, the Son of Japhet, from the Isle's of the gentiles and lands of the north, aka Europe,(Genesis 10:2). Come against the Land of the real ISRAEL, in the latter days. Gog cannot be Iran for obvious reasons being that it is the land of Persia also mentioned in Ezekiel 38 as a separate entity. Ezekiel 38:10 mentions How the thought of "stealing" the real Israel came to the prince of Meshec and Tubal, GOG. That's why there is so much conflict in the middle east now. That's why 9/11 was an inside job. That's why they want to go to war with Iran and like talking about it everyday on the news.

GOG,MAGOG,MESHEC AND TUBAL are not descendents of Shem, read Genesis 10:2 it's there in plain english. They are descendants of Japheth, brother to Shem. They are the one's who go against the Land of Israel, by force and occupation mentioned in Ezekiel 38 in the latter days AKA NOW. They are the one's who thought the evil thought mentioned in Ezekiel38:10. That thought was to PLAGIARISE The Word of YAHUWAH and His Prophecy. YHWH even mentions how it brings His "fury upon His face", when they do it. We are in the latter days as the fake "UN" created isreal is 100% undeniable proof. The same entity that is behind 9/11 is also behind the creation of the UN's fake 'isreal'.

Also when YAHUWAH/YAHUSHUA addresses the 7 churches of Asia in the Book of Revelation, which are where the 144,000 of the lost tribe of Israel will be chosen from, they would have to be believers in order for Him to address them. The jewish people of the fake UN created 'isreal' don't believe in the one people wrongfully call 'jesus', so where does that make any sense? Gog and Magog are the sole owners of the fake UN created 'isreal'. Satanic forces under the guidance of satan deceived the world into believing who 'isreal' really is supposed to be, but it is YAHUWAH'S will because the people who were to represent Him, whom He blessed as the Sons of Shem, disobeyed Him and were sinning TREMENDOUSLY. We all are paying for sin no matter how close you are to your Creator.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Question for the people who believe in The Old Testament and not the New like the ones who study JUDAISM: WHICH IMMANUEL ARE YOU WAITING FOR? *BORN FROM A VIRGIN I MIGHT ADD*

Hope You don't fall for satan's version of immanuel, because the real Immanuel already came.

Prepare

Originally posted by Israylite4ever

Originally posted by Israylite4ever
Ashkenaz is another Son of Japheth and yet there are 'jews' who call themselves 'ashkenazi?' Therefore, You cannot be "antiSEMETIC" to them because Askenaz is not Semetic He is from JAPHETH. Do You guys not see the OBVIOUS CONTRADICTION? Do You not see that ASHKENAZI JEW IS AN ACTUAL 100% OXYMORON? The World is A-D-D because they can't catch small contradictions and these tiny lies cause MASSIVE SUFFERING. YAHUWA/YHWH is the name You call when You want to be saved.

On top of that White/Fair skin people aren't native to a land between Desserts in AFRICA and ASIA. It don't make any sense. This world has gone A-D-D with the T-V and the W-E-B. If You want to accuse Me of being "racist", I'm sorry but different races exist because of a people's HABITATION. The Inuits are not Native to the arctic of North America, as well as "Native" "Americans/Canadians/Indians" Infact some "Natives" look like they have more of a right to inhabit the Fake "UN" created Israel, than the fake "jews" themselves, who YAHUSHUA calls out in the Book of Revelation.

www.sacred-texts.com... The People of India and the Lands of the East are SONS OF SHEM. The Sons of Ham are people of the South which is what is called "Africa" now. Japheth's and His sons inherited the Lands of the North where it is COLD. Gog and Magog are sons of Japheth as well as ASHKENAZ, whom jews of german descent call themselves, which is a contradiction that anyone who studies scripture should point out. Gog and Magog occupy "isreal", and the Kingdom of Jerusalem. The Abomination that causes desolation is when they fooled the world into believing the Sons of Japheth, Gog, Magog, Tubal, Meshec, and Ashkenaz are actual SONS OF SHEM WHOM ALL REAL ISRAELITES SHOULD COME FROM. GOG AND MAGOG OCCUPY JERUSALEM NOW GUYS.

Israylite4ever, you're spamming this thread worse than I am. If you don't mind, I'd like to interrupt you to post another generalized issue with the Futurist position.

In 2 Thessalonians 2, we find Paul saying that the coming of Christ would not happen until the "man of lawlessness" is revealed - the one exalting himself above God. In verse 8, Paul says, "And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming."

So, Jesus destroys the lawlessness by the splendor of his coming. In the Greek, this reads, literally, "And then will be uncovered the lawless (one), whom the Lord will consume by the breath of his mouth and will nullify by the manifestation of his presence."

Now, let's go back to 2 Samuel. 2 Samuel 22, to be specific. Here, King David is singing a song of praise to God for providing such great victories.
In verses 7-16, David says:

"In my distress I called to the LORD; I called out to my God. From his temple he heard my voice; my cry came to his ears. The earth trembled and quaked, the foundations of the heavens shook; they trembled because he was angry. Smoke rose from his nostrils; consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it. He parted the heavens and came down; dark clouds were under his feet. He mounted the cherubim and flew; he soared on the wings of the wind. He made darkness his canopy around him — the dark rain clouds of the sky. Out of the brightness of his presence bolts of lightning blazed forth. The LORD thundered from heaven; the voice of the Most High resounded. He shot his arrows and scattered the enemy, with great bolts of lightning he routed them. The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils."

Does this not sound like a description of the Second Coming? Yet David is describing, in vivid symbolic (Jewish apocalyptic-style) language, how the Lord had a hand in subjecting David's enemies before him. The Lord didn't really do these things, but the language David uses sure gets his point across - the Lord has been victorious.

In fact, I want you to notice one verse in particular (verse 13): "Out of the brightness of his presence bolts of lightning blazed forth."

Out of what?
Out of the brightness of his presence.

Sound familiar?

Originally posted by Israylite4ever


www.sacred-texts.com... The People of India and the Lands of the East are SONS OF SHEM. The Sons of Ham are people of the South which is what is called "Africa" now. Japheth's and His sons inherited the Lands of the North where it is COLD. Gog and Magog are sons of Japheth as well as ASHKENAZ, whom jews of german descent call themselves, which is a contradiction that anyone who studies scripture should point out. Gog and Magog occupy "isreal", and the Kingdom of Jerusalem. The Abomination that causes desolation is when they fooled the world into believing the Sons of Japheth, Gog, Magog, Tubal, Meshec, and Ashkenaz are actual SONS OF SHEM WHOM ALL REAL ISRAELITES SHOULD COME FROM. GOG AND MAGOG OCCUPY JERUSALEM NOW GUYS.

Ezekiel 38 mentions how Gog, the chief prince of Meshec and Tubal, the Son of Japhet, from the Isle's of the gentiles and lands of the north, aka Europe,(Genesis 10:2). Come against the Land of the real ISRAEL, in the latter days. Gog cannot be Iran for obvious reasons being that it is the land of Persia also mentioned in Ezekiel 38 as a separate entity. Ezekiel 38:10 mentions How the thought of "stealing" the real Israel came to the prince of Meshec and Tubal, GOG. That's why there is so much conflict in the middle east now. That's why 9/11 was an inside job. That's why they want to go to war with Iran and like talking about it everyday on the news.

GOG,MAGOG,MESHEC AND TUBAL are not descendents of Shem, read Genesis 10:2 it's there in plain english. They are descendants of Japheth, brother to Shem. They are the one's who go against the Land of Israel, by force and occupation mentioned in Ezekiel 38 in the latter days AKA NOW. They are the one's who thought the evil thought mentioned in Ezekiel38:10. That thought was to PLAGIARISE The Word of YAHUWAH and His Prophecy. YHWH even mentions how it brings His "fury upon His face", when they do it. We are in the latter days as the fake "UN" created isreal is 100% undeniable proof. The same entity that is behind 9/11 is also behind the creation of the UN's fake 'isreal'.

Also when YAHUWAH/YAHUSHUA addresses the 7 churches of Asia in the Book of Revelation, which are where the 144,000 of the lost tribe of Israel will be chosen from, they would have to be believers in order for Him to address them. The jewish people of the fake UN created 'isreal' don't believe in the one people wrongfully call 'jesus', so where does that make any sense? Gog and Magog are the sole owners of the fake UN created 'isreal'. Satanic forces under the guidance of satan deceived the world into believing who 'isreal' really is supposed to be, but it is YAHUWAH'S will because the people who were to represent Him, whom He blessed as the Sons of Shem, disobeyed Him and were sinning TREMENDOUSLY. We all are paying for sin no matter how close you are to your Creator.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Question for the people who believe in The Old Testament and not the New like the ones who study JUDAISM: WHICH IMMANUEL ARE YOU WAITING FOR? *BORN FROM A VIRGIN I MIGHT ADD*

Hope You don't fall for satan's version of immanuel, because the real Immanuel already came.

Originally posted by Israylite4ever
Ezekiel 38 mentions how Gog, the chief prince of Meshec and Tubal, the Son of Japhet, from the Isle's of the gentiles and lands of the north, aka Europe,(Genesis 10:2). Come against the Land of the real ISRAEL, in the latter days. Gog cannot be Iran for obvious reasons being that it is the land of Persia also mentioned in Ezekiel 38 as a separate entity. Ezekiel 38:10 mentions How the thought of "stealing" the real Israel came to the prince of Meshec and Tubal, GOG. That's why there is so much conflict in the middle east now. That's why 9/11 was an inside job. That's why they want to go to war with Iran and like talking about it everyday on the news.

GOG,MAGOG,MESHEC AND TUBAL are not descendents of Shem, read Genesis 10:2 it's there in plain english. They are descendants of Japheth, brother to Shem. They are the one's who go against the Land of Israel, by force and occupation mentioned in Ezekiel 38 in the latter days AKA NOW. They are the one's who thought the evil thought mentioned in Ezekiel38:10. That thought was to PLAGIARISE The Word of YAHUWAH and His Prophecy. YHWH even mentions how it brings His "fury upon His face", when they do it. We are in the latter days as the fake "UN" created isreal is 100% undeniable proof. The same entity that is behind 9/11 is also behind the creation of the UN's fake 'isreal'.

Also when YAHUWAH/YAHUSHUA addresses the 7 churches of Asia in the Book of Revelation, which are where the 144,000 of the lost tribe of Israel will be chosen from, they would have to be believers in order for Him to address them. The jewish people of the fake UN created 'isreal' don't believe in the one people wrongfully call 'jesus', so where does that make any sense? Gog and Magog are the sole owners of the fake UN created 'isreal'. Satanic forces under the guidance of satan deceived the world into believing who 'isreal' really is supposed to be, but it is YAHUWAH'S will because the people who were to represent Him, whom He blessed as the Sons of Shem, disobeyed Him and were sinning TREMENDOUSLY. We all are paying for sin no matter how close you are to your Creator.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Question for the people who believe in The Old Testament and not the New like the ones who study JUDAISM: WHICH IMMANUEL ARE YOU WAITING FOR? *BORN FROM A VIRGIN I MIGHT ADD*

Hope You don't fall for satan's version of immanuel, because the real Immanuel already came.

THEIR "ETHNOGENESIS" SAYS ASHKENAZI ARE FROM JAPHETH AND NOT SHEM. THEREFORE THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT SEMETIC AT ALL. THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS TO THE ATHEISTS. CHRISTIANS ARE PROBABLY MORE BRAINWASHED THAN THEY ARE. I NEED THE CRITICAL THINKERS WHO SPOT CONTRADICTION AND I NEED THEM TO BECOME AWARE OF THE FAKE UNITED NATIONS CREATED "ISREAL" WHICH IS CAUSING SUFFERING OVER A LIE. PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ARGUE OVER A LIE.

THIS IS THE ABOMINATIONS THAT CAUSE DESOLATION. THE CREATION OF THE FAKE Untited Nations, isreali state.

Originally posted by hab22
Mr. Cobb

I agree, Christ was the Passover Lamb. Also that His second coming will occur during the Fall Feasts. Would you agree that the "abomination that causes desolation" will occur in the spring, during the time of Passover, since it occurs 42 months prior to the second coming?

We are just a week away from Passover. This year has a heightened sense of urgency about it.

The abomination that causes desolation is the coming of the King of Confusion. This occurred on Tevet 10 as thrice witnessed by scripture: 2Ki 25:1 Jer 52:4 Eze 24:1

Okay note that in the Hebrew there is no such a word as "Babylon" it is "Babel" and Babel means "confusion" so if we read this as a translation it is "King of Confusion"/King of Babel. So this King of Confusion launched his attack on Tevet 10; he came with all of his host to encompass Jerusalem round about. Now remember what Messiah said about seeing Jerusalem encompassed by armies?

Lu 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

What He is doing here is stirring up our biblical memory. He is pointing us back to this event when Jerusalem was encompassed by the host of the King of Confusion. Now all of these things are analogues of the work of Christ; everything in the bible is about the work of Christ which occurs at the two advents; it is all prophetic analogues- even the very people and their actions are prophetic analogues. So who would we think is being analogued by "the King of Confusion"? It's the devil, and he's coming with his angels with all power and signs and lying wonders, and the King of Confusion will launch his attack against Jerusalem (which is an analogue of the church). So Satan and his angels are coming on Tevet 10 to attack the church; and he's going to attack it in the form of pretending to be the Christ, and all his saints. This is the abomination that causes desolation- he will cause a great apostacy from the true Christ because the Christians will confuse him to be Christ; but to those who know the days, we know he's not the true King of Israel because he will not come at the appointed time of Tishri- but will come in Tevet (this is why Jesus said "pray your flight be not in winter" He is saying "pray that you don't get deceived by this coming of the King of Confusion with all his host in winter")

If you look in the bible you will note an odd thing: this occurs six times: there are events with timelines embedded in them. For instance, the flood of Gen 6- have you ever wondered why God bothered to put a timeline into the account? Of what possible use is it to anyone to know that the flood began on Iyyar 17? Well, if God put it in His book then it is anything but irrelevant. You have already realized the nature of the moedim appointments; now realize the nature of the 6 events with timelines: they are prophetic and tell us exactly when these prophetic analogues take place in our near future. The events are these:

1. The Flood
2. The Exodus
3. The building of the first temple

4. The military campaign of the King of Babel
5. The Esther Purim event
6. The building of the second temple


These events are prophetic analogues and they will certainly occur on the very days given. So, we are most certainly going to see the Gen 6 flood begin on Iyyar 17 in our near future: this will not be a flood of water, but will be the fulfillment of the analogue; we could call it an "heavenly" flood as opposed to the "earthly" analogue.

So what about Easter 2012? According to my calculations, April 11 will be 1260 days from the second coming; that is all I am able to reasonably conclude. Will this begin with a bang? I do not know how these things will appear to our eyes since the analogues are all in symbols. I will however say that I am very excited for Nisan 14 this year, and moreso for Tevet 10.

Think about it. Dec 23 of this year is Tevet 10 (Dec 23 vies for Dec 21 for the correct day of the end of the Mayan long-count). So turn on the tv and what are you getting? Here is how the news says it:

Entire world in expectation of the day of the end of the Mayan long count!

This is how I say it (and both are factually true)

Entire world in expectation of the day that marks the greatest calamity the people of God had ever known. A day so terrible it is forever marked by a fast, and was chosen as the day representing the Holocaust.

But I will speculate here that we may see something occuring this Easter involving the pope, and possibly the President of the U.S. But this is speculation; what I do know is that we are about to live through every event in the bible coming at us all at once, and at the specific times recorded- but in a "heavenly" form as opposed to the form "earthly" form- it is the completion of the analogues.

Originally posted by Alpha Arietis
To claim that prophecies of literal events are only symbolic, opens them to a potentially infinite variety of "interpretations", as should be obvious by this thread, alone. I once demonstrated this fact by making a chart of how the events in the Star Wars saga fulfilled all the prophecies of Revelations. It was very convincing too.

Let me just say that I wouldn't be at all surprised if every movie ever made is prophetic. Movies exist for a reason and I'm sure it is far beyond the mundane. In the wrong hands, movies could be the most insidious form of mind control propoganda, right? If I had to choose a biblical word with which to convey the meaning of a "movie" I would easily choose the word "vision"

In the end, these interpretations are the worst form of dogma, spawned in imagination. They say, "I've figure out on my own what all these symbols mean", but I've yet to see a demonstrable system of "symbol interpretation" that is Bible based.

If God wants someone to understand what He is saying He has to provide a contextual frame of reference through which to understand Him. If He has written a bible, then He has provided the frame of reference. If we stick in this frame of reference, the analogues provide the understanding. What I mean here is something like this:

Let's suppose we see a prophet in our time, and he is speaking to some people and says something like, "The Lord will spew you out of His mouth"; okay, I'm presuming you're familiar with the Revelation, so when he says that, your mind should automatically conclude, "He is refering to these people as the Laodicean church" and we conclude this because this is what is said to them in the Revelation- he is choosing his words to connect with a previous idea to convey certain information. Now, only the people familiar with the Revelation will get what he is saying, everyone else will think, "I guess the Lord doesn't like this people" but they are missing on the connection being made.

So, everything everyone is saying or doing in the bible is to the purpose of connect with that understanding. For instance, when Jesus is ascending the Mount of Olives, we should be put in mind of when David did the same thing; all of these things are being used as analogues and if we just recognize the nature we understand God.

One more example which causes much misunderstanding is the use of "fire" in the bible. In the Revelation we see two with fire coming out of their mouths; now why are we being given this information? It is connecting with the fire analogue; look here:

Jer 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

So we see here that God is analoguing His word with fire. So when we see "fire" in scripture we should immeditaely be thinking, "This is speaking of truth" because truth is used as the analogue here. The Messiah said He had come to send fire in the earth- He chooses these words to connect with these previous analogues. No one is going to "burn in hellfire" as people are being taught; the actual all-consuming everlasting fire is TRUTH; this is why the scripture says, "Our God is a consuming fire" it means that God is Truth. Truth is the fire that will consume the creation; and everyone in it. When truth is understood, the old creation passes away and the new creation begins. But if we don't stick to the bible for our contextual frame of reference, then all of the words become meaningless because we have no context and if we take them literally then they are absurd- Jesus is not literally a door (but a door is an analogue of a covenant- this is why there are two doors of olive on the temple- these are the two covenants; this is why the tabernacle had only one door to meet God in- this was the Sinai covenant which covenant is only for the Christ- all others pass through the door of the new covenant in order to meet with God- that is to say, TRUTH.

reply to post by MrCobb

Well said, MrCobb, well said.

Originally posted by MrCobb

Originally posted by Alpha Arietis
To claim that prophecies of literal events are only symbolic, opens them to a potentially infinite variety of "interpretations", as should be obvious by this thread, alone. I once demonstrated this fact by making a chart of how the events in the Star Wars saga fulfilled all the prophecies of Revelations. It was very convincing too.

Let me just say that I wouldn't be at all surprised if every movie ever made is prophetic. Movies exist for a reason and I'm sure it is far beyond the mundane. In the wrong hands, movies could be the most insidious form of mind control propoganda, right? If I had to choose a biblical word with which to convey the meaning of a "movie" I would easily choose the word "vision"

In the end, these interpretations are the worst form of dogma, spawned in imagination. They say, "I've figure out on my own what all these symbols mean", but I've yet to see a demonstrable system of "symbol interpretation" that is Bible based.

If God wants someone to understand what He is saying He has to provide a contextual frame of reference through which to understand Him. If He has written a bible, then He has provided the frame of reference. If we stick in this frame of reference, the analogues provide the understanding. What I mean here is something like this:

Let's suppose we see a prophet in our time, and he is speaking to some people and says something like, "The Lord will spew you out of His mouth"; okay, I'm presuming you're familiar with the Revelation, so when he says that, your mind should automatically conclude, "He is refering to these people as the Laodicean church" and we conclude this because this is what is said to them in the Revelation- he is choosing his words to connect with a previous idea to convey certain information. Now, only the people familiar with the Revelation will get what he is saying, everyone else will think, "I guess the Lord doesn't like this people" but they are missing on the connection being made.

So, everything everyone is saying or doing in the bible is to the purpose of connect with that understanding. For instance, when Jesus is ascending the Mount of Olives, we should be put in mind of when David did the same thing; all of these things are being used as analogues and if we just recognize the nature we understand God.

One more example which causes much misunderstanding is the use of "fire" in the bible. In the Revelation we see two with fire coming out of their mouths; now why are we being given this information? It is connecting with the fire analogue; look here:

Jer 5:14 Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them.

So we see here that God is analoguing His word with fire. So when we see "fire" in scripture we should immeditaely be thinking, "This is speaking of truth" because truth is used as the analogue here. The Messiah said He had come to send fire in the earth- He chooses these words to connect with these previous analogues. No one is going to "burn in hellfire" as people are being taught; the actual all-consuming everlasting fire is TRUTH; this is why the scripture says, "Our God is a consuming fire" it means that God is Truth. Truth is the fire that will consume the creation; and everyone in it. When truth is understood, the old creation passes away and the new creation begins. But if we don't stick to the bible for our contextual frame of reference, then all of the words become meaningless because we have no context and if we take them literally then they are absurd- Jesus is not literally a door (but a door is an analogue of a covenant- this is why there are two doors of olive on the temple- these are the two covenants; this is why the tabernacle had only one door to meet God in- this was the Sinai covenant which covenant is only for the Christ- all others pass through the door of the new covenant in order to meet with God- that is to say, TRUTH.

The problem with this world: That sword has been stuck in that stone for so long, everybody lost their belief. Now they are just waiting to die like cowards.

"Whoso Pulleth Out This Sword of this Stone and Anvil, is Rightwise King Born of England." – The Sword in the Stone, T.H White.

“Then they heard Cadwr Earl of Cornwall being summoned, and saw him rise with Arthur's sword in his hand, with a design of two chimeras on the golden hilt; when the sword was unsheathed what was seen from the mouths of the two chimeras was like two flames of fire, so dreadful that it was not easy for anyone to look.” —From The Mabinogion, translated by Jeffrey Gantz.

Now take a bible and page to Zechariah 3:9, then take a look at the aztec sun stone.

Can you pull the sword from the stone?

edit: oh, great post btw, great info

Originally posted by Israylite4ever

Originally posted by Israylite4ever

Originally posted by Israylite4ever
reply to post by hab22

 

Ezekiel 38 mentions how Gog, the chief prince of Meshec and Tubal, the Son of Japhet, from the Isle's of the gentiles and lands of the north, aka Europe,(Genesis 10:2). Come against the Land of the real ISRAEL, in the latter days. Gog cannot be Iran for obvious reasons being that it is the land of Persia also mentioned in Ezekiel 38 as a separate entity. Ezekiel 38:10 mentions How the thought of "stealing" the real Israel came to the prince of Meshec and Tubal, GOG. That's why there is so much conflict in the middle east now. That's why 9/11 was an inside job. That's why they want to go to war with Iran and like talking about it everyday on the news.

GOG,MAGOG,MESHEC AND TUBAL are not descendents of Shem, read Genesis 10:2 it's there in plain english. They are descendants of Japheth, brother to Shem. They are the one's who go against the Land of Israel, by force and occupation mentioned in Ezekiel 38 in the latter days AKA NOW. They are the one's who thought the evil thought mentioned in Ezekiel38:10. That thought was to PLAGIARISE The Word of YAHUWAH and His Prophecy. YHWH even mentions how it brings His "fury upon His face", when they do it. We are in the latter days as the fake "UN" created isreal is 100% undeniable proof. The same entity that is behind 9/11 is also behind the creation of the UN's fake 'isreal'.

Also when YAHUWAH/YAHUSHUA addresses the 7 churches of Asia in the Book of Revelation, which are where the 144,000 of the lost tribe of Israel will be chosen from, they would have to be believers in order for Him to address them. The jewish people of the fake UN created 'isreal' don't believe in the one people wrongfully call 'jesus', so where does that make any sense? Gog and Magog are the sole owners of the fake UN created 'isreal'. Satanic forces under the guidance of satan deceived the world into believing who 'isreal' really is supposed to be, but it is YAHUWAH'S will because the people who were to represent Him, whom He blessed as the Sons of Shem, disobeyed Him and were sinning TREMENDOUSLY. We all are paying for sin no matter how close you are to your Creator.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Question for the people who believe in The Old Testament and not the New like the ones who study JUDAISM: WHICH IMMANUEL ARE YOU WAITING FOR? *BORN FROM A VIRGIN I MIGHT ADD*

Hope You don't fall for satan's version of immanuel, because the real Immanuel already came.

www.sacred-texts.com... The People of India and the Lands of the East are SONS OF SHEM. The Sons of Ham are people of the South which is what is called "Africa" now. Japheth's and His sons inherited the Lands of the North where it is COLD. Gog and Magog are sons of Japheth as well as ASHKENAZ, whom jews of german descent call themselves, which is a contradiction that anyone who studies scripture should point out. Gog and Magog occupy "isreal", and the Kingdom of Jerusalem. The Abomination that causes desolation is when they fooled the world into believing the Sons of Japheth, Gog, Magog, Tubal, Meshec, and Ashkenaz are actual SONS OF SHEM WHOM ALL REAL ISRAELITES SHOULD COME FROM. GOG AND MAGOG OCCUPY JERUSALEM NOW GUYS.

And for Japheth came forth the third portion beyond 2 the river Tînâ 3 to the north of the outflow of its waters, and it extendeth north-easterly to the whole region of Gog 4 and to all the country east thereof. 26. And it extendeth northerly to the north, and it extendeth to the mountains of Qêlt 5towards the north, and towards the sea of Mâ’ûk, and it goeth forth to the east of Gâdîr as far as the region of the waters of the sea. 27. And it extendeth until it approacheth the west of Fârâ 6 and it returneth towards ’Afêrâg, 7 and it extendeth easterly to the waters of the sea of Mê’at. 8 28. And it extendeth to the region of the river Tînâ in a northeasterly direction until it approacheth the boundary of its waters towards the mountain Râfâ, 9 and it turneth round towards the north. 29. This is the land which came forth for Japheth and his sons as the portion of his inheritance which he should possess for himself and his sons, for their generations for ever; five great islands, 10 and a great land in the north. 30. But it is cold, and the land of Ham is hot, and the land of Shem is neither hot nor cold, but it is of blended cold and heat.

edit on 3-4-2012 by Israylite4ever because: (no reason given)

Originally posted by Israylite4ever

Originally posted by Israylite4ever
Ezekiel 38 mentions how Gog, the chief prince of Meshec and Tubal, the Son of Japhet, from the Isle's of the gentiles and lands of the north, aka Europe,(Genesis 10:2). Come against the Land of the real ISRAEL, in the latter days. Gog cannot be Iran for obvious reasons being that it is the land of Persia also mentioned in Ezekiel 38 as a separate entity. Ezekiel 38:10 mentions How the thought of "stealing" the real Israel came to the prince of Meshec and Tubal, GOG. That's why there is so much conflict in the middle east now. That's why 9/11 was an inside job. That's why they want to go to war with Iran and like talking about it everyday on the news.

GOG,MAGOG,MESHEC AND TUBAL are not descendents of Shem, read Genesis 10:2 it's there in plain english. They are descendants of Japheth, brother to Shem. They are the one's who go against the Land of Israel, by force and occupation mentioned in Ezekiel 38 in the latter days AKA NOW. They are the one's who thought the evil thought mentioned in Ezekiel38:10. That thought was to PLAGIARISE The Word of YAHUWAH and His Prophecy. YHWH even mentions how it brings His "fury upon His face", when they do it. We are in the latter days as the fake "UN" created isreal is 100% undeniable proof. The same entity that is behind 9/11 is also behind the creation of the UN's fake 'isreal'.

Also when YAHUWAH/YAHUSHUA addresses the 7 churches of Asia in the Book of Revelation, which are where the 144,000 of the lost tribe of Israel will be chosen from, they would have to be believers in order for Him to address them. The jewish people of the fake UN created 'isreal' don't believe in the one people wrongfully call 'jesus', so where does that make any sense? Gog and Magog are the sole owners of the fake UN created 'isreal'. Satanic forces under the guidance of satan deceived the world into believing who 'isreal' really is supposed to be, but it is YAHUWAH'S will because the people who were to represent Him, whom He blessed as the Sons of Shem, disobeyed Him and were sinning TREMENDOUSLY. We all are paying for sin no matter how close you are to your Creator.

Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Question for the people who believe in The Old Testament and not the New like the ones who study JUDAISM: WHICH IMMANUEL ARE YOU WAITING FOR? *BORN FROM A VIRGIN I MIGHT ADD*

Hope You don't fall for satan's version of immanuel, because the real Immanuel already came.

THEIR "ETHNOGENESIS" SAYS ASHKENAZI ARE FROM JAPHETH AND NOT SHEM. THEREFORE THEREFORE THEY ARE NOT SEMETIC AT ALL. THIS IS WHAT I'M TRYING TO GET ACROSS TO THE ATHEISTS. CHRISTIANS ARE PROBABLY MORE BRAINWASHED THAN THEY ARE. I NEED THE CRITICAL THINKERS WHO SPOT CONTRADICTION AND I NEED THEM TO BECOME AWARE OF THE FAKE UNITED NATIONS CREATED "ISREAL" WHICH IS CAUSING SUFFERING OVER A LIE. PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE YOU WANT TO ARGUE OVER A LIE.

THIS IS THE ABOMINATIONS THAT CAUSE DESOLATION. THE CREATION OF THE FAKE Untited Nations, isreali state.

Christ said of this event:

"Matthew 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it."

Originally posted by vizio2012

Christ said of this event:

"Matthew 24:23 At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect—if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.

26“So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the desert,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it."


truth versus deception. certainly a key issue in the last days. we have a more sure word of prophecy in what was written and recorded in the words of the Biblical prophets. I'll stick with Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Habakkuk. We should be watching and waiting for many things that they wrote being fulfilled, as the day of the Lord's wrath approaches.

edit on 3-4-2012 by vizio2012 because: (no reason given)

truth versus deception. certainly a key issue in the last days. we have a more sure word of prophecy in what was written and recorded in the words of the Biblical prophets. I'll stick with Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Habakkuk. We should be watching and waiting for many things that they wrote being fulfilled, as the day of the Lord's wrath approaches.

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Deception sure was a key issue in the last days.
The writer of Hebrews said Christ's first coming was in "these last days" (Hebrews 1:2). So, where does that leave your last days?

reply to post by hab22


Hi Hab--

You WROTE:

QUOTE

"We have a more sure word of prophecy in what was written and recorded in the words of the Biblical prophets. I'll stick with Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Habakkuk. We should be watching and waiting for many things that they wrote being fulfilled, as the day of the Lord's wrath approaches.."

UNQUOTE

To which 'Isaiah' are you refering here, exactly? The First Isaiah (aka ProtoIsaiah - whose peculiar paleoHeb poetical style reflects the period c. 740 - 701 BCE, in chapters 1-38), or the Second Isaiah (aka DeuteroIsaiah, i.e. chapters 39-55) whose DIFFERENT paleoHebrew poetical Style (and theological Weltanschauung) reflects a much later period (c. 600 - 540 BCE) , and whose style is filled with Babylonian loan-words, or the Third Isaiah (aka TritoIsaiah, i.e. chapters 56-66) whose own 'retro' style quotes then tries to Emulate small passages from ProtoIsaiah, and expands them out midrashically to reflect an even LATER period (e.g. 530 - 460 BCE) ?

You DID know there were three persons reflected in the 'words of the Prophet Isaiah' didn't you?

And to what 'oracles' of Jeremiah exactly are you referring in your quote above? You DID know, didn't you, that the earliest copies and versions of 'the words of the Prophet Jeremaih' misses out large chunks from 13 chapters found in the much much later Masoretic version (MT) c. 960 AD which follows the so-called Babylonian recension? And if you never knew that, take a close (line by line, word for word, letter for letter) look at the mangled copies of the Book of Jeremiah found among the Dead Sea Scrolls - you'll see that their version(s) reflect the same Hebrew Vorlag (Hebrew unpointed textual Underlay to the Greek translations) used by the Greek translations whicih later formed the Septuaginta (LXX, c. 250 BCE) and that of Theodotion (c. 140 CE) and Symmachus (c. 130 CE)--all of which miss out the same chunks from the same 13 chapters....

Well?

Don't tell me that you are still under the jejune assumption (like a child might be) that these mangled and tattered unpointed paleoHebrew colletions (and I only had time to mention two of them) reflect the actual words (ipsissima verba) of their respective 'prophets' in the same form in which they uttered them?

Hint: none of these prophets (Jeremiah used Baruch for some written passages, though) wrote anything down during their lifetimes that has come down to us ; that was the job of the next generations of their disciples to piece together their oracles (note how OUT OF ORDER they all are !) from memory etc. LONG AFTER the fact...

Just a thought.