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Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by hab22
Deception sure was a key issue in the last days.
The writer of Hebrews said Christ's first coming was in "these last days" (Hebrews 1:2). So, where does that leave your last days?
Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by hab22
Deception sure was a key issue in the last days.
The writer of Hebrews said Christ's first coming was in "these last days" (Hebrews 1:2). So, where does that leave your last days?
Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by hab22
And that's what happens when you take one clear reference to last days and apply to it a completely unrelated and obviously metaphorical reference to God's perception of time.
Do you have any justifiable reason to apply these to each other? Because when I used to do the same thing, all I was doing was just trying to make Scripture fit my own Futurist bias.
Also, the "Sabbath rest" that we are yet to enter is our eternal rest in heaven, in God's presence, not some coming 1000-year rest, which you'll only get from Hebrews 4 if you apply to it passages that are completely unrelated.
I still don't understand this need to take bits and pieces of Scripture and fit them into a puzzle of your own making, as if Scripture makes no sense unless you cut it up verse by verse and rearrange it. But, then, I used to do the same thing, so....edit on 4-4-2012 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by hab22
A large retirement fund? Not a chance with all these student loans. Like I've told you, I used to believe exactly what you do, and used the same arguments you do. But, I did come to see the obvious, and that's why I don't believe it anymore. I have read 2 Peter 3 over and over again. And what's obvious is that it has nothing to do what you're applying it to. Peter was explaining why God seemed to be slow in his promise. Peter could have just as easily said that a day with the Lord is as a hundred thousand years, and a hundred thousand years are as a day. His point was, God does thing when the time is right. God is never slow - or fast, for that matter. You can then turn around and apply this verse to other passages to make them mean different things, but the fact remains...you have no right to do so, and no justification.edit on 5-4-2012 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by hab22
I hath two things to sayeth about that.
Firstethly: many people throughout history have made just as impressive calculations as you have. Take, for instance, the calculations that showed Christ would return in 1844, or that he was going to return last year. The calculations are always impressive. The calculations are always based on Biblical numbers, days, etc. Quite often, the calculation are with the best of intentions. And the calculations are always wrong.
Secondethly (and more importantly, as far as you and I are concerned): if you want to insist, based on these Jubilee-year calculations, that Christ will return in 2015, the only difference between you and I would be that I wouldn't call it the Second Coming. Rather, I would call it whatever event is described in Revelation 20, in the second half of verse 9 (fire from heaven devouring Satan and his followers). I no longer try to calculate and predict future events, but 2015 is as good a date as any. Just don't let it undermine your faith when 2015 comes and goes and the world goes on as usual.
And, just as an aside: in Acts 2:17-21, Peter is quoting Joel 2:28-32, and he is quite obviously saying that the events then-occurring on the Day of Pentecost were the prophecy's fulfillment. It doesn't matter how we want to (re)interpret it - Peter, under the express guidance of the Holy Spirit, is declaring its fulfillment.
Originally posted by CLPrime
reply to post by hab22
Sometimes, I feel a lot like Paul. He was said to be bold when he was away, but timid when face-to-face (2 Corinthians 10:1). I've actually been called things akin to timid before, by people who have spoken to me in person. I'm not sure anyone online would say that, though. So, Paul and I may be cut from the same cloth, so-to-speak (and I certainly try to imitate him).
Just keep searching Scripture. Never assume you have it all figured out. Personally, every few weeks, I find myself going back over Scripture, and prophecy in particular, in search of some mistake I've made or some misinterpretation I've overlooked. I never assume I have it all right. And any understanding we have is from God, not by our own wisdom, logic, or calculations. I pray you to keep searching, whether you find yourself in the right or in the wrong.edit on 6-4-2012 by CLPrime because: (no reason given)