The Smear Campaign Against Trayvon Martin

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Yes, Mr. Zimmerman had a gun. He has a license to carry a CONCEALED weapon. I seriously doubt Mr. Martin knew he had a weapon or he would not have attacked him. I carry a gun EVERY SINGLE DAY. CONCEALED. In broad day light you could visually examine me from every angle and never see or know I have a weapon. Do you honestly believe you could see it at night? Not unless you have x-ray vision. I am not defending nor condemning either party involved. Im just sick of everyone saying "a nut case with a gun" when it is fact that he didnt draw his weapon until it turned violent.
Weird creepy guy following you? Maybe you confront him. Weird creepy guy with a gun following you? You run like hell unless you have a death wish.Mr. Martin was unaware that Mr. Zimmerman had a gun, I believe. So lets stop with the "nut case with a gun" remarks.

reply to post by JayFlores


How is it fact that Zimmerman didn't draw his gun until he was attacked? How do we know who attacked who first?

reply to post by Kali74


See... You are one of the people who's mind is made up, regardless of the facts. You are buying into the MSM hook line and sinker.


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Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by JayFlores

 

How is it fact that Zimmerman didn't draw his gun until he was attacked? How do we know who attacked who first?

Witnesses, and.. The magazine in his handgun was full, meaning he got off the round in the chamber but his weapon did not cycle, meaning "someone" was grabbing the weapon so that it could not cycle. But again, witnesses, and their stories match his to a T. It all happen so fast that there is no way he could have talked to these witnesses to make up a story.

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Originally posted by JayFlores
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

Yes, Mr. Zimmerman had a gun. He has a license to carry a CONCEALED weapon. I seriously doubt Mr. Martin knew he had a weapon or he would not have attacked him. I carry a gun EVERY SINGLE DAY. CONCEALED. In broad day light you could visually examine me from every angle and never see or know I have a weapon. Do you honestly believe you could see it at night? Not unless you have x-ray vision. I am not defending nor condemning either party involved. Im just sick of everyone saying "a nut case with a gun" when it is fact that he didnt draw his weapon until it turned violent.
Weird creepy guy following you? Maybe you confront him. Weird creepy guy with a gun following you? You run like hell unless you have a death wish.Mr. Martin was unaware that Mr. Zimmerman had a gun, I believe. So lets stop with the "nut case with a gun" remarks.

Have to disagree.and it really does not matter if the gun was concealed. IF Treyvon ran but was still confronted by Zimmerman he had every right to feel a threat and defend himself against an unknown man who HE did not know was armed but was behaving in a threatening manner. Yes following in a car and then getting out and pursuing is a reasonable assumption of threat. I would have got the drop on the guy before he found my house. I grew up and my kids have grown up to see what Zimmerman did as the sign of a creeper. Why would this kid feel any different? I know if it were me I would have met the guy tailing me with a 2x4 to the knee and some serious questions because of the possibility he is armed. So does a guy with a gun(whether you know he has it or not) who first tails you by car then on foot entail a threat? ask the unarmed minor,eh? So yes a weirdo with a gun, defying neighbor hood watch guidelines, defying the police, a history of racial suspicion, a history of violence, following a minor at night. Granted Treyvon knew nothing but some chubby creep was following him. So tell me people that you would not be freaked out if this guy was tailing you? And no this is not really about race even though it is being played as such. It is about giving the deceased the burden of proving his innocence when the only "witness" is the killer who is has already been presumed innocent by LE. My point is even if the minor confronted Zimmerman, given Zimmerman's behavior he created the environment for it to happen. And despite what some folks seem to believe.even if the kid was a bigtime thug it was not Zimmerman's call to judge him or harass him. Tailing some one in the dark and rain is a very good way to make the one being tailed very defensive.
These are just observations made with the limited data. And I am not going to put another life at stake without a lot more info on this. Some awful big holes in the stories all round. But from my own perspective and were it me I would have been hella on guard if Zimmerman were following me as I walked back from the store. And in fact if he left his vehicle to continue to follow me I would consider his intentions as bad and prepare to "stand my ground". If you are being followed this means confronting the one following you. And we should consider that Treyvon was smart enough not to lead someone unknown on his tail back to his house. All would be moot had a weird guy with a gun had not left his car to play cop. You just do not pack a gun unless you expect to use it. You do not tail some one, get caught doing it and expect the one your following to not react. And you do not follow some one who (some say) could kick your arse unless you felt equalized by the gun.
So without any character assassination beyond Zimmerman's "weird" behavior( think of it from the one being tailed perspective) of tailing the kid and then continuing following on foot. I see things so far not adding up to self defense except on the kids part.Do I see a murder? no, manslaughter, qualified yes.At least enough doubt of Zimmerman's intent to arrest and investigate. This is the fail on the part of the police who should have done forensics and extensively interviewed Zimmerman that night. Even cops who shoot some one are investigated. Zimmerman seems to have floated above it all. It all just has some big holes with a foul odor coming up. Time will suss it out I hope.

reply to post by USarmyFL


Am I? Or are you buying into the smear?

reply to post by USarmyFL


Okay, where did you get your information?

the Martin lawyers are now reporting that the testimony from the girlfriend on the phone is now starting to punch holes in Zimmerman's story.

And witnesses are saying they came out to find Zimmerman straddling Martin's body, making no attempt to save him. When the police arrived, Martin was still face down in the grass.

If this was truley a defensive act, then why didn't zimmerman make an attempt to save him?

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by USarmyFL

 

Okay, where did you get your information?

The police report, yahoo.com, fox13, etc etc... few various police websites.

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Originally posted by nixie_nox
the Martin lawyers are now reporting that the testimony from the girlfriend on the phone is now starting to punch holes in Zimmerman's story.

And witnesses are saying they came out to find Zimmerman straddling Martin's body, making no attempt to save him. When the police arrived, Martin was still face down in the grass.

If this was truley a defensive act, then why didn't zimmerman make an attempt to save him?

Maybe that is why he was on top possibly? And I read the cell phone records, she said to run, then he said "i lost him" Just like Zimmerman said "he lost the kid" after that it went dead, thats probably when he then attacked zimmerman. "hey baby gota go take care of this fool, click* It all adds up to Zimmerman's story and the witnesses and the cell phone call. Booya....

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reply to post by JayFlores

1. The pics of Mr. Martin are from when he was 13 and the pics of Mr. Zimmerman are also quite a few years old.

The pic of Martin is straight from his current FB page.

2. Mr. Zimmerman HAS a license to carry a concealed weapon. CONCEALED. Its not like Mr. Martin could see he had a weapon.

So? Zimmerman left his vehicle to chase down a fleeing Martin and initiate a confrontation. Does losing a fight an aggressor like Zimmerman starts give him the right to then use deadly force?

If I go out into the street and start picking a fight with a random stranger, and that stranger fights back, do I now have the right to murder them - and claim it was just "self-defense"?

3.Mr. Martin was bigger than Mr. Zimmerman.

Wrong. Zimmerman weighed 250 lbs, and older by 11 years. Martin weighed 140 lbs.

4. Mr. Zimmerman did not initially know Mr. Martins race nor his age.

Again totally wrong. Zimmerman described Martin as a black male TWICE in the 911 call.

5 Instead of simply fleeing his "creepy stalker" or calling the police on his cell phone, Mr. Martin made a choice to confront and attack Mr. Zimmerman.

He was on the phone to his GF and described how he was being stalked, and advised by her to just "run away", which he clearly did as Zimmerman himself described him to the 911 operator as fleeing the area.

6. Mr. Martin tried to grab Mr. Zimmermans weapon.

The same weapon you just claimed he didn't know he had? And how could he grab for it unless Zimmerman had it out and trying to use it on him? Zimmerman is withholding what really happened and is offering only a very self-serving version of events.

7. The state of Florida gives you the right to defend yourself once you become attacked physically or are threatened with harm.

No, that is not how the "stand your ground" law is worded, and how it is worded is so vague you, or the courts, can't say exactly what it does give you the right to do.

The simple fact is, Zimmerman pursued a 17-year old minor walking home to his father's house who did not commit any crime, a kid he pursued after 911 advised him not to, and that he then initiated a physical confrontation with. Zimmerman was no longer "standing his ground" he was acting like a psycho. If ANYONE had the right to stand their ground it was Martin, and IF he did manage to beat Zimmerman in a confrontation, that does not under any circumstance give Zimmerman to resort to deadly force.

reply to post by USarmyFL

Maybe that is why he was on top possibly? And I read the cell phone records, she said to run, then he said "i lost him" Just like Zimmerman said "he lost the kid" after that it went dead, thats probably when he then attacked zimmerman. "hey baby gota go take care of this fool, click* It all adds up to Zimmerman's story and the witnesses and the cell phone call. Booya...

The inconsistency of your version is why this is nonsense. Why would Martin say he lost his pursuer, only to then go back to fight Zimmerman? And making up garbage like "hey baby gota go take care of this fool, click* " shows that in your mind, Martin was already guilty. Martin's behavior and the cell phone call and even Zimmerman's 911 call all indicate Martin had no intention of getting into any type of confrontation and was only seeking to get to his father's home.

The map of the chain of events also show that Zimmerman's version is highly suspect - after losing Martin in the alley behind the row of homes he said he was heading back to his car - but then walked in the opposite direction of his vehicle - admitting later that he wanted to go that way to continue looking for Martin. His actions were NOT consistent with his claim.

lol, oh man this has been blown into the hype universe. everybodys talking like this guy excecuted this kid on the footpath on his knees. everybodys ignoring the facts of what happened. thing is this kid decided to go all gangsta on this guy and bit off more than he could chew, and he lost, thats it no more no less, there were witnesses . fact is most parents dont really know what there kids are up to. is this really any different to the young white girl who was bashed on the max, oh but that wasnt a hate crime was it. man im so happy im not american.

reply to post by Kali74


I'm sorry,i haven't read the rest of the thread up to 3rd page.
But please tell me.
What smears against Martin?
Or are you just taking Zimmerman defense as smears?

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Boosted audio of Zimmerman's alleged racial slur.

reply to post by CaptainNemo

The word thug is usually associated with black men.

Since when? I've even lived in a number of large cities in the United States, and NEVER have I known that to be true.

See ya,
Milt

Originally posted by RealSpoke
You people need to seriously go hang out with some black people.

Saggy jeans and a hoodie does not make one a thug,

RealSpoke,

We as Black people are feared for all the wrong reasons. White America first tried to label our people as drugged up dopers who get high then rape and kill indiscriminately.

That didn't work so then white America blamed the crack epidemic on us and said that we black people were responsible for that. Then it turned out to be the US government(Reagan administration)who was responsible for pumping MASSIVE AMOUNTS of coc aine and guns into our urban communities via the drug cartels THUS CREATING A REALITY & CREATING A DRUG MARKET to point their fingers at us black people to blame.

They know nothing about our culture apart from what they see on BET and MSM(and both are wrong). It is a shame actually because most blacks that I know apart from my family are well-educated, decent, honest hard working people who are making an honest living by working hard and TAKING CARE OF FAMILY.

It is a # shame in this day and age that white people still see us black people as a threat when they have more to fear from their OWN government who provides "safety" and "freedoms" to them.

Now enter the Obama era...The first African-American President of the United States a.k.a. Bush's fall guy. This did not help us as a people either due to what I call the Obama Effect

The Obama Effect basically did us in as a race due to our people(black America) anticipating not HOPE ...Not CHANGE...but ENTITLEMENT!

I saw this coming around the corner while Obama was running for office. Now white America has another stereotypic tail to try to pin on us. Most white people will tell you, "Oh I have several black friends"...I have news for you...

NO YOU DON'T!

STOP LYING!

DON'T LIE TO YOURSELF!... AND PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SELL ME THOSE WOLF TICKETS!

I AM NOT BUYING THEM!... NOT EVEN ON SALE!!!

Facebook, Twitter, ect doesn't count. Let me define the definition of the term "Friend"

Friend - One who HAS THE 100% MUTUAL TRUST and TRUE COMPANIONSHIP of another INDIVIDUAL.

Now that definition you will not find in Merriam-Webster... that is the sacred definition that we as black people know.

MOST white people do not have the *100% MUTUAL TRUST & 100% TRUE COMPANIONSHIP of ANY BLACK PERSON.

Besides the average white person saying, "My 847 Facebook "Friends" has black people in it"...so?
If you were to ask any of them to come to your IMMEDIATE AID and RESCUE you are in for a shock and surprise...one that you probably NEED!

Where as if any of my fellow friends needed me I am on the next plane smoking!(and vica versa)..That is a TRUE FRIEND!...and to tell you the truth I only have a hand full that I can count on like that, and so do they and onward and so forth. Makes for a high quality circle of what us black people call TRUES!....but least I digress....

I was raised very well to do, never wanted for anything and was grounded on the premise of "NEVER LET WHITE PEOPLE IN YOUR HOUSE" and with that being said for a reason due to NO TRUST of them and the JEALOUSY FACTOR of whites having their stereotypes of us black people not having a brain to think with let alone gainful & luxurous material things(bought for with cash that was earned with GAINFUL EMPLOYMENT that was obtain through the establishment of a HIGH EDUCATION...which was paid for via HARD WORK, SCHOLARSHIPS and GRANTS) ...and we kept the latest and greatest of everything..in fact were the first to have WHATEVER.

So BROTHER I see your point and I say unto you, "do not chase the wind" for white America will forever have their stereotypic image of us as black America has of them.

I applaud your efforts and attempt to try to get your point into their reasoning facilities, but when you are dealing with HOME GROWN IGNORANCE don't waste your time....time is too precious.

reply to post by Kali74


Bravo!
S & F!

reply to post by maestromason


Thanks for the S+F but I gotta say, not all white people are racist and not all of us have token black friends. A friend that I have to go some extra distance to prove myself to, isn't really a friend that values me as a person to begin with. Hanging on to stereotypes isn't going to get us anywhere.

reply to post by Kali74


Kali74 that is so true, but I did not make this world the way that it is, and neither did my fellow black people.

I cannot change what this world has become I can only adapt in order to survive in it.

As long as there is blind ignorance and jealousy in the world you will have division and hatred, and I do not see blind ignorance or jealousy going away anytime soon or in the far distant future. It is like it has been instilled in human DNA.