The Smear Campaign Against Trayvon Martin

reply to post by maestromason


You can change what this world has become by not participating in what keeps us divided. It is not in our DNA. I don't know how it started, territory, resources...whatever it was it doesn't have to be now. We have advanced far enough that by reasoning skills alone we should be able to overcome this.

I'm not even talking about some utopia where we all just love everyone else, I'm talking about the ability to hate or dislike a person just for that person alone and not irrationally decide that everyone that looks like that person is the same way, it's stupid.

reply to post by Kali74


Ignorance is what it is and it started with one ethnic group being ignorant of another and so on. I have worked all my life being the ONLY black in the department....Let me say that again...THE ONLY AFRICAN-AMERICAN IN THE DEPARTMENT...and on a few occasions THE ONLY BLACK IN THE COMPANY so I know what I am talking about.

This smear campaign on Trayvon is nothing new.

MSM uses smear tactics literally like toilet paper...use then discard with NO REGARDS to the families they do this to. The facts are the facts and we as grown adults cannot just leave it alone like the 5 ton elephant in the room it has to be addressed and properly dealt with.

I have no qualms talking about racism as an issue but when you have ignorant people who do not know ANYTHING about another culture that they themselves were not brought up in, you have all three elements to start your fires with...
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Racism's stoichiometric ratio requirements

1 part fuel......Ignorance(%)

1 part heat....bias(catalyst)

1 part oxygen....fear(part/%)
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You mix those together and THERE YOU GO!... I do not want to be anywhere near it.

Do you know that I once saved a white man from a horrible death without even thinking about his skin color?

One day...My brother and I were coming out of my favorite book store and all of a sudden we see this white car come barreling from the street towards us onto the sidewalk and boom! it hits a concrete light pole and explodes into fire. I looked into the car to see if the driver was alright and it was an elderly man who had a heart attack while driving. Needless to say my brother and I ripped the driver's side door off the car's hinges to get to the man and then we carefully pulled the man out from the burning car. Car battery acid smoke was everywhere and not even a second after we gently placed him on the grass lawn the car went up into flames and the motor blew up!

Now mind you everyone else was just spectating and we waited until the paramedics came...then while we were coughing due to the acid smoke in our lungs a black man in the crowd said to us, "man you guys are brave! I would not even have thought about saving that man, # his white ass!" and left as if it were nothing.

I made the life-threatening decision along with my brother to go inside and save this man at ALL COST. Had we not been there that man would have died a very horrible death while unconscious from the initial impact.

We all make decisions in life based upon what we see and more importantly who we are as individuals, I was raised to treat people like I want to be treated..but everyone does not play by the same rules.

Racism's stoichiometric ratio requirements are everywhere around the globe and especially in the United States.

...and Trayvon (may he rest in peace) is not the first victim of it and he DEFINITELY WILL NOT BE THE LAST!

Even if we post example after example of the smear campaign being waged against Trayvon, it won't reach penetrate the thick skulls of his detractors. A picture of any black kid looking "gansta" will do.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Thank-you for posting that, hopefully it knocks off some of the nonsense. I really hope some actual facts come out soon. The article put out by the Miami Herald today, that claims they obtained a report from Miami-Dade School Police which states that Martin had been suspended from school for graffiti and when his bag was searched for the marker, the officer found women's jewelry and a screw-driver, is bothering me a lot

I was discussing this with a friend and it just seems off...his parent's were never told about this and a screwdriver on school grounds would be considered a weapon which is an automatic expulsion. Also how could those records be released without parental consent? Worst of all it has nothing to do with the case, it justifies nothing...I feel like that police department is extremely corrupt and they're deflecting.

You're really on top of info in this tragedy, what do you think?

reply to post by Kali74


The question is.. can he get one now?
As I have said elsewhere.. this is Casey Anthony all over again. Trail by media has labeled someone guilty before it has been proven. People wanted her dead and the same for this guy, but this guy may be in legit grave danger with the bounty on his head.

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow


Well I think something needs to definitely be done about that bounty, it can't be legal to post wanted dead or alive unless you're the FBI, right?

reply to post by Kali74


The MSM has connections and lots of money that is how they found out this privileged information.

reply to post by maestromason


I'm just wondering if it's even true.

reply to post by Kali74

Knowing that MSM is held accountable to report factual information(legal reasons). I would say it is most likely true.

reply to post by maestromason


I suppose they wouldn't risk it with this case being so focused on. It's disgusting though.

reply to post by maestromason

The Trayvon Martin case is, without a doubt, a true tragedy. Unfortunately, many of us don't seem to have the ability to admit that we don't KNOW enough about the incident to make sound judgement.

Also, from what I read in the majority of these posts, far too many of us don't seem capable of looking past race, and sticking to the facts. As was demonstrated by your broad stroked assessment of Whites, this is certainly true in your case.

I must admit that your posts have proven one thing to me:
The color of one's skin means far more to you, than it ever has to me.

You certainly wouldn't qualify as one of my friends. I don't associate with racists, regardless of their color.

See ya,
Milt

kill whitey!!! kill whitey!!!! 10,000$ to the man that brings me the head of whitey....errr......cuban.....errrr......jew.....errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr


that's exactly what this BS is. and guess what kali? i hang out with black people all the time. you don't live in stockton, ca and NOT hang out with black people. and you know what they think? the same thing any logical thinker on here does. they haven't let the fact that they are black get in the way of logical thinking and letting race hustlers like sharpton and jackson manipulate them.

my friend james (black as F@$* as he would say) would also tell you that people are jumping on the hate whitey played out as hell bandwaggon. also, what i am hearing from their families (guess what? black too) is that there seems to be some agenda considering that blacks kill blacks more than any other ethnicity (including the evil racism of the giga-hitler whitey).

to quote james: "if some MFr was jumpin me and bashin my skull in the ground i'd put a couple in him too"
but i am sure you would just come up with a "he sounds real intelligent/classy" or a "he sounds like one of the ones makin black folks look bad" just to fit your agenda.

so ATS do not fret, not all black people are ignorant enough to take the race bait like so many other ignoramus' here on ATS. this is getting way out of hand

reply to post by Kali74

Thank-you for posting that, hopefully it knocks off some of the nonsense. I really hope some actual facts come out soon. The article put out by the Miami Herald today, that claims they obtained a report from Miami-Dade School Police which states that Martin had been suspended from school for graffiti and when his bag was searched for the marker, the officer found women's jewelry and a screw-driver, is bothering me a lot

I was discussing this with a friend and it just seems off...his parent's were never told about this and a screwdriver on school grounds would be considered a weapon which is an automatic expulsion. Also how could those records be released without parental consent? Worst of all it has nothing to do with the case, it justifies nothing...I feel like that police department is extremely corrupt and they're deflecting.

You're really on top of info in this tragedy, what do you think?

What does it matter what a kid in school was suspended for? I got suspended several times, but that doesn't make me a killer.

Which is worse - a suspension for graffiti (Martin) or an arrest for assaulting a cop (Zimmerman)?

Watch Lawrence O'Donnell tonight, he shredded this case wide open - not only did the police hold Martin in the morgue for THREE days without any attempt to contact his parents, even though they had filed a missing person report, they didn't even try to access his phone to find out who he was. The LEAD INVESTIGATOR in the case wanted to file charges against Zimmerman and has come out to state the she DID NOT BELIEVE Zimmerman's version of events - but she was OVERRULED by the state's AG. And who has been pushing hard in FL for legislation supporting "stand your ground"? ALEC and the NRA.

The failings of the police are almost without precedent. This isn't just a homicide, it's bordering on a police coverup. A dead kid, and shooter covered in his blood, two witnesses who dispute Zimmerman's account, and Zimmerman isn't even arrested or detained????

Then there's Zimmerman's "close friend" well Lawrence O'Donnell cleared that sham up - this guy only knew Zimmerman from a previous job and only for six years. He didn't know anything about Zimmerman's attempt to be a police officer and never discussed his involvement in the neighborhood watch program.

Joe Oliver: ‘My role in this just doesn't make sense’ (it's a ten minute video, absolutely must see).

This guy Joe Oliver is a sham and phony, he's doing it for the publicity. He quit his job so he can stump for Zimmerman full time. I'm guessing he sees movie rights of a book deal in it for himself. Even after he had a material conversation with Zimmerman since he went into hiding the police haven't even subpoenaed him for that information as part of their investigation. Like I said, police are up to something in this case.

The Sanford police have also been the ones "leaking" damaging information about Martin (*), keep in mind he is a MINOR who does not have ANY record of criminal activity, only school records showing in his time in high school he received a total of three suspensions for pretty minor things: Graffiti, Absenteeism/Tardiness, and for breaking a door. During one search of his person/locker one empty baggy that may have had weed in it. God knows I did a lot worse in my HS days. Those records are not available to the public but were leaked by someone in the Sanford PD, which they claim they are now "investigating" (*). Guess when you are the son of a retired Sanford judge, you get some friends in high places.

The Sanford PD also "leaked" the Zimmerman's account of that night, apparently someone there wanted to change the narrative they saw in the media to one in favor of Zimmerman. (*)

PS: The jewelry found in Martin's bag was submitted to the Sanford PD, it did not come back as reported stolen. AFAIK nothing was ever done with that.

Originally posted by BenReclused
reply to post by maestromason

 

As was demonstrated by your broad stroked assessment of Whites, this is certainly true in your case.

I must admit that your posts have proven one thing to me:
The color of one's skin means far more to you, than it ever has to me.

You certainly wouldn't qualify as one of my friends. I don't associate with racists, regardless of their color.

See ya,
Milt

Never once did I "broad stroke" and make an assessment of whites. You must be a true but horrible disinfo agent...but in any case if you read what I typed you never once seen where I assessed whites.

Color of skin means nothing to me...so stop with that BS please

Your friend? I never owned a Facebook or any other social site account so you are right we are not "friends" and neither would I care to be yours.

I am not a racist just a REALIST so take what you want from what I said...you must not comprehend the English language very well.

Special Agent First Class?

REALLY?

SSHHhhuuuurrreee BUuuuddddy!

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


That interview of Oliver is really weird. For a guy who claims to be close enough to Zimmerman to vouch for him, he really doesn't know a lot about him. Wow.

Craig Sonner, George Zimmerman's Lawyer, Reportedly Flees Lawrence O'Donnell Interview (VIDEO)

O'Donnell brings up some good points in this video.

I think this is worth the watch.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
How about getting the FACTS right before rushing in to defend Zimmerman? In the 911 call Zimmerman refers to Martin as a black male TWICE.

He states that the person "looks black" at first, in a rather unsure tone. Later, after martin actually approaches his car, he verifies the race. He also notes that the suspicious behavior is walking about in the rain, looking at different houses. Also that he's got his hand in his waistband, then after that, "He's coming to check me out. He's got something in his hands. I don't know what his deal is."..."he's pissed."

Originally posted by BlackmarketeerIt sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath, ‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]

Actually, it sounds like he says "punks" to me. You can hear the recording here: video link for recording

Originally posted by BlackmarketeerNo, the evidence shows Zimmerman LEFT HIS CAR to foot pursue Martin. Martin's girlfriend was on the phone in which she states he was freaking out over some guy staring at him, then following him, she told him to run. In Zimmerman's 911 call he states that Martin started to run away from him. THAT is proof Martin WAS NOT seeking a confrontation.

No, it doesn't show that. After Zimmerman tells the dispatcher that Martin is running, the dispatcher asks him if he can tell which direction, and then we hear Zimmerman exit the car to see. When it is suggested that he not follow, he stops, and is by his vehicle, telling the dispatcher his general location. He even states he isn't sure of the address where he is (with his vehicle),, because it is a "cut-through". He even asks, "could you have them call me and I'll tell them where I'm at?", and the dispatcher agrees. Meaning Zimmerman would have had, as he stated, good reason to exit the car and check the actual address. He even states plainly, and NOT out of breath (as he was for the brief moments before), "I don't know where this kid is." Clearly he was NOT chasing him, or following him, at that point. Exiting the vehicle was to check the direction, and help the dispatcher, NOT to confront anyone. The recording shows this clearly.

Originally posted by BlackmarketeerThere are also NOT "two witnesses" that Martin attacked Zimmerman, only one mystery, unidentified witness by the name of John who claims that, but his version doesn't match two other witnesses who have come forward, Mary Cutcher and her roommate who state it was Zimmerman on top of Martin and Martin was face down. The shooting took place in the alley behind the row of homes where Martin ran, near Mary Cutcher's home. When Zimmerman asked Mary Cutcher to call 911 for him, where was this mystery witness John?

TWO witnesses. the fellow going by "John", and a teenager. link Two people, both confirming the evidence and the statement of Zimmerman. Most of the media doesn't mention this other witness.

That makes this self defense.

Originally posted by BlackmarketeerIf anyone had a right to 'self-defense', it was Trayvon Martin. He was being chased down in the rain by some weirdo nutbag with a gun. Did he not ALSO have a right to 'stand his ground'?

Zimmerman wasn't chasing him, as already cleared up above. He was near his vehicle, not running, and the recording shows this. He was the one that had reached into his waistband, had some unknown object in his hands, approached Zimmerman (call shows this, too), and then attacked him when Zimmerman got out to verify his location, as previously arranged with the police.The call, the two witnesses, the evidence - all point to the same conclusion, which is why the police didn't make an arrest.

Originally posted by BlackmarketeerDoes this mean that I can grab a gun, go confront anyone I want in the street even if I have to chase them down, and then slay them with a bullet point blank to the chest if they slap or punch me? Then claim that I was only 'defending myself'?

Since that isn't what happened here, I don't see the relevance of your question.

Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

 

Fine, report the facts...don't make up lies. There are lies and photos that aren't even of Trayvon Martin being published to paint a more stereotypical/thuggish version of him. A lot of these photos and lies are being generated on sites such as Stormfront. Aren't you disturbed by that?

I have seen a few photos, that the family and most media sources don't want to share, but none that don't show the same person. Same face. I see pictures that look like the almost-eighteen person that was shot, instead of looking like a kid of 12-14. Pictures of tattoos, one of which has his mother's name on it, so would guess that's real. If there are fake ones, I haven't seen them so far.

I do know that this teen was suspended three times, for various disciplinary issues, and once for drugs, and that a brother or cousin (reports have stated both) asked him if he actually struck a bus driver. I know it's reported in mainstream news sites that he was found to have a lot of wedding rings and diamond earrings, along with a flat-head screwdriver, in his backpack. I also know that the photos shown to us at first are of a much younger Martin, showing a smallish youth, instead of the 6'3" person he was at the time f the shooting. That bothers me a great deal.

All that said, would be glad to check out these pictures you have seen that you state aren't him, if you can provide links. Misrepresentation of the facts by people on either side of the issue would be wrong.

actually, since you bring up his actual facebook page why don't you tell us about the drug related stuff on his wall? did he deserve to die, no, did he deal drugs, yes. was he his own neighborhood, no. why not, because he was actually suspended from school and staying with his father during his suspension. he is not the golden child people are trying to make him out to be.

lets see, a stranger walking around your neighborhood, wouldnt you be suspicious too? just so happens this stranger was a drug dealer, would you want that in your neighborhood? no, the shooter couldn't have known this, and the kid should still be alive today, but too many people are jumping on this 'trayvon golden child' bandwagon and it's annoying.

Yesterday I called the Miami-Dade School Police Department to see if I could get confirmation on the Miami Herald's claim that they had obtained Martin's record which stated that when he got in trouble for graffiti, the officer searched his backpack and found jewelry and screwdriver. I got a bit of the run around and ultimately was connected to a voice mail...I didn't expect a call back.

An officer just a few minutes ago called me back and said the Miami Herald did not get the report from them, nor did he know how they got it. When I asked if he confirm that the report was even true he said they aren't commenting any further and that he couldn't confirm or deny that Martin was ever found to have been in possession of jewelry or a screwdriver. I got a bit nervous to be honest and regretfully didn't ask anything else.

So if the Miami Herald didn't get the report from the school police department, where did they get it from?

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


You may need to go back and examine the facts that have come out in the past day or so. Mr. Martin stood much taller than Mr.Zimmerman and weighed 180lbs, not 140. Mr. Zimmerman does not weigh 250 lbs either. Had he pulled his weapon BEFORE there was a confrontation or attack, he would have at the bare minimum be charged with brandishing a fire arm and assault with a deadly weapon. Not one witness reported SEEING a gun, only hearing it.Can you tell a persons age by looking at them? Let alone in the dark and rain with a hoodie on? I know I couldnt. You were not there and neither was I, so we only have what we are told. Should Zimmerman have followed Martin? I dont believe so. Poor decision. Should either of them allowed it to become violent? No. And if Mr. Zimmerman felt for his life( having my head bounced of the concrete multiple times will do it) he was well within his right to shoot. Morally I dont think it was the right choice, but legally he was within the law.
I dont carry a gun because I intend to use it or go looking for reason to use it. Most of the time I forget I have it on me. I have been in fights while wearing a gun and even been attacked by more than one person. Never saw the need to shoot or even draw my weapon. But that is my personal choice. I carry a gun just in case some criminal decides to carjack me, rob me or pull a weapon on me. Not everyone who carries a gun believes they are entitled to use it at the drop of a hat. But I assure you if someone attacked me and decided to bash my skull into the cement to the point I believe my life may be in danger, I would shoot. I wouldnt care about his age, race ,height, weight or religious beliefs. I would care about my life and going home to my family. Its called self preservation and is an instinct your mind automatically has.