The Smear Campaign Against Trayvon Martin

Personally I think he said punks, but that doesn't mean I think he's not predisposed to thinking young black males are threatening or up to no good, which is racism no caveats...had Zimmerman not made that assumption that day, Martin would still be alive. There's a whole lot of irresponsible journalism going on it seems. Sites that people rely on for news, especially political news don't seem to check sources anymore. If they do that with this tragic event...what else do they do it with, everything?

The Miami News writes:

Trayvon Martin: No, That's Not His Facebook Page Showing "Gangsta" Photos UPDATED

The Trayvon Martin assasinated by Zimmerman has his Facebook page HERE.

So the photo of "Trayvon" shirtless and in baggie orange pants and flipping the bird IS NOT THE SAME TRAYVON MARTIN.

Thanks for this thread Kali...


A lot of times it's your posts and posts by others like you that give me some hope for this site. It seems to me that a lot of people on this site have never even met a black person before and are totally ok with profiling someone as a "thug" and therefore blaming Trayvon for his own murder, entirely based on his appearance.

There's one quote in this entire situation that sums it up, and it came from the 911 operator that Zimmerman called. Zimmerman tells the operator that he's going to follow Trayvon and the operator responds...





"WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT."

reply to post by Kali74


He looks like a normal kid to me, We have neighbourhood watch officers in the UK but in any event it is up to them to call the police and not intervene, maybe thats what's needed in the US.

I can't understand why Zimmerman hasn't been charged yet?

The truth will come out eventually, can I ask that people who have a netflix account take time to watch a documentary called The Interrupters about how gang violence is dealt with in Chicago. Seems like they got the right approach going on.

Originally posted by Hawking
Thanks for this thread Kali...


A lot of times it's your posts and posts by others like you that give me some hope for this site. It seems to me that a lot of people on this site have never even met a black person before and are totally ok with profiling someone as a "thug" and therefore blaming Trayvon for his own murder, entirely based on his appearance.

There's one quote in this entire situation that sums it up, and it came from the 911 operator that Zimmerman called. Zimmerman tells the operator that he's going to follow Trayvon and the operator responds...





"WE DON'T NEED YOU TO DO THAT."

edit on 27-3-2012 by Hawking because: (no reason given)

That means Zimmerman was in the wrong and should do time.

reply to post by BrainPhrozen


He should be arrested, charged and stand trial, for sure.

reply to post by Hawking


Thank-you and very well put, it's good to see yet another denying ignorance.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


Thank-you for adding more truth to this topic. I only hope more people can see the circle jer---er garbage, the other threads are for what they are.

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If it is acceptable to tear apart the character or Mr. Zimmerman, before the facts are in, why is it less acceptable to even examine the character of Martin, and to show that how he was initially presented isn't accurate?

Simple fact is, when Zimmerman made the call, he didn't KNOW the race at first, and stated this. You can listen to the recording yourself. He reported suspicious behavior. Plus, all the evidence and two witnesses show that Martin attacked Zimmerman. That is the key issue. That makes this self defense.

Analyzing the character of Martin, at this time, simply shows how likely it is that he would attack someone in such fashion. Same as analyzing the character of Zimmerman would show what he might or might not do. That this teen was a half a foot taller than Zimmerman, that he was very fit, while Zimmerman doesn't seem to be, and that there is no way that Zimmerman could have caught Martin in a footrace. These are the facts on which we should focus.

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Fine, report the facts...don't make up lies. There are lies and photos that aren't even of Trayvon Martin being published to paint a more stereotypical/thuggish version of him. A lot of these photos and lies are being generated on sites such as Stormfront. Aren't you disturbed by that?

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This is what happens when we are flooded with bad journalism.
I think Zimmerman is guilty of something. Maybe not what others think he should be guilty of. Likely manslaughter, but I think he deserves a fair shake in court.

The bad journalism comes in when the media uses a mugshot of Zimmerman and a misleading picture of Martin at a much younger age. It is poor journalism, when the media and president exploit a death as they have then the people on the other side of the fence push back harder.

The media has really really stretched racial tensions with this. For example..
files.abovetopsecret.com...

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i hear ya bro! damn im a white guy who always wears a hoodie and am covered in tattoos and people always think in a thug.(stupid thing is i dont even listen to rap,i play banjo and listen to blugrass!) but because my girlfriend is black,i must be a gansta! but on the flipside,i get a lot of bad vibes frome black dudes because im with a black chick. people are just screwed up,thats all. one race -- human!
peace

There actually is some proof to him being a drug dealer; a snippet from a facebook conversation has a kid asking to pick up weed from him. I don't think he was a bigtime dealer, probably just a highschool dealer, but that's a bit irrelevant.

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Zimmerman does deserve a fair trial, as is the right of everyone.

reply to post by LadyGreenEyes

Simple fact is, when Zimmerman made the call, he didn't KNOW the race at first, and stated this. You can listen to the recording yourself. He reported suspicious behavior. Plus, all the evidence and two witnesses show that Martin attacked Zimmerman. That is the key issue. That makes this self defense.

How about getting the FACTS right before rushing in to defend Zimmerman? In the 911 call Zimmerman refers to Martin as a black male TWICE.

911 dispatcher:

OK, is he White, Black, or Hispanic?

Zimmerman:

He looks black.

Zimmerman:

Yeah, now he’s coming toward me. He’s got his hands in his waist band.

And he’s a black male.[1:03]

Zimmerman also sounds desperate to capture or bust Martin;

Zimmerman:

OK.

These assholes. They always get away.

Zimmerman:

The back entrance.

[It sounds like Zimmerman says under his breath, ‘F-ing coons’ at 2:22]

The entire transcript is here:
George Zimmerman's 911 call transcribed

Plus, all the evidence and two witnesses show that Martin attacked Zimmerman.

No, the evidence shows Zimmerman LEFT HIS CAR to foot pursue Martin. Martin's girlfriend was on the phone in which she states he was freaking out over some guy staring at him, then following him, she told him to run. In Zimmerman's 911 call he states that Martin started to run away from him. THAT is proof Martin WAS NOT seeking a confrontation.

There are also NOT "two witnesses" that Martin attacked Zimmerman, only one mystery, unidentified witness by the name of John who claims that, but his version doesn't match two other witnesses who have come forward, Mary Cutcher and her roommate who state it was Zimmerman on top of Martin and Martin was face down. The shooting took place in the alley behind the row of homes where Martin ran, near Mary Cutcher's home. When Zimmerman asked Mary Cutcher to call 911 for him, where was this mystery witness John?

Whether Martin got the best of Zimmerman is immaterial to his 'self-defense' claim, it's when Zimmerman left his car to confront Martin, in DEFIANCE of the 911 operator's order, that's when Zimmerman became the aggressor.

That makes this self defense.

If anyone had a right to 'self-defense', it was Trayvon Martin. He was being chased down in the rain by some weirdo nutbag with a gun. Did he not ALSO have a right to 'stand his ground'?

Does this mean that I can grab a gun, go confront anyone I want in the street even if I have to chase them down, and then slay them with a bullet point blank to the chest if they slap or punch me? Then claim that I was only 'defending myself'?

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by RealSpoke
People see black kids in hoodies as bad, or shirtless, or with tattoos.

If a white kid did it, it wouldn't be seen as negative

I don't get it.

What a bunch of crap. Any kid white or black dressed like that unknown to locals would be seen as suspicious.

This is the equivalent of saying that a woman dressed provocatively deserved to be raped.

My area, a good portion of the teens dress this way. They dress this way in other countries too.

Its 2012, we should of moved beyond blanket stereotyping decades ago.

How someone dresses, doesn't make them a suspect.

reply to post by Kali74

Excellent thread Kali. It is quite refreshing to see you shed light in this manner.

Exactly what is being hidden from everyone who is wasting time on this non-event? What is it? 200 die per second? 7 murders are every second? Not sure the numbers but you get the point.

Whats being hidden behind this black smoke, white smoke...... smoke screen?

Several things that are pretty damn important to cover up over a couple week period of time.

Raise your head from the mire and look around people. Its a trick. All a sham.

reply to post by Kali74


I am disturbed by the MISLEADING photos being presented here. What I am not disturbed by is the FACTS are starting to come out. I could care less what type of person Mr. Martin or Mr. Zimmerman were and are.I dont give two s*#ts what color either of them is either. The facts that are coming out and that we already know are this-
1. The pics of Mr. Martin are from when he was 13 and the pics of Mr. Zimmerman are also quite a few years old.
2. Mr. Zimmerman HAS a license to carry a concealed weapon. CONCEALED. Its not like Mr. Martin could see he had a weapon.
3.Mr. Martin was bigger than Mr. Zimmerman.
4. Mr. Zimmerman did not initially know Mr. Martins race nor his age.
5 Instead of simply fleeing his "creepy stalker" or calling the police on his cell phone, Mr. Martin made a choice to confront and attack Mr. Zimmerman.
6. Mr. Martin tried to grab Mr. Zimmermans weapon.
7. The state of Florida gives you the right to defend yourself once you become attacked physically or are threatened with harm.
Regardless of Mr. Martins choice of lifestyle this was a justified shooting.I dont care if he was a saint or a criminal. I dont care what color he was or what color Mr. Zimmerman was. I dont care that Mr. Zimmerman approached the situation in an improper manner.All moral convictions went out the window the moment it became a physical altercation.If an unknown person attacks me and I feel that my safety or life is in jeopardy, I will draw my weapon and shoot also. I seriously doubt Mr. Zimmerman had time to aim, ask Mr. Martin his age, what his intentions were or gave a crap about his race.He shot out of fear for his life. Its not about race, its about survival.

I don't know what happened out there between the two. I'm not even going to weigh in on it. I don't like that this has fueled so much racial tension lately, which is probably exactly what tptb want.

I don't agree with this, but I remember when public schools began requiring kids wear uniforms. I was long out of school by then, but I recall being disgusted at the thought of it. Taking away individuality. The reasoning they gave was to keep kids from wearing gang colors or something. It appears there has been a designation that certain clothing is considered gang related, so I am not shocked or surprised by all of the "hoodie" stuff. I still think people should be able to wear what they want, though.