The Real Trayvon Martin(pics) what the MSM doesent want you to see

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna
I find it fascinating that black kids shoot black kids every day, but it isn't until a white kid is involved that anybody takes notice.

White kid?
I thought it was a hispanic man...


Who is the white kid your talking about?

Originally posted by takaris7

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

You don't get grass stains when your the one on top.. Do you?

I will give you the possibility that both people could have struggled...but what bothers me is...that Mr. Zimmerman first followed the young boy in his car, then got out and followed him down the street. According to witnesses they ended up in a yard away from Mr. Zimmermans truck. You have to remember that the boy was not in the process of committing a crime or just robbed the store...he was walking home.

Now if you were being followed by some weirdo in that manner and then stopped, possibly at gunpoint...what would you do? ... if I had you down on the ground after you pulled a gun out on me (and lets not forget Mr. Zimmerman is not a police officer) i would make sure you had more than just a few grass stains on your back. I would be fighting for my life.

EXACTLTY.....trayvon has equall rights to self defend from attack....

Originally posted by Russh50
reply to post by Thunder heart woman

 

Only mouthy ones who call me a racist.

Sexist and racist? Hmm...

reply to post by CaptainNemo


Neither are you?

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I thought it was a hispanic man...


Who is the white kid your talking about?

Many miss this part of it 1 thinks SaturnFX

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


Wheres the evidence to state he was being stalked? Where's the witness's that say it was all Zimmermans doing? Where's the evidence to fault what Zimmerman said happened? So I am to suppose to now believe the Sanford Florida police dept in covering up a killing?

Was'nt this a gated community? It was. Did Trayvon live there? NO. He was staying with father while he was Suspended from school. You don't get suspended for being " an innocent kid? DO YOU? Was;nt there a string of breakins there in the recent past? Yes there was.

I don't know what happened. YOU don't know what happened. Don't you just for a minute think that if the Sanford police had any inclanation that Zimmermans story did not fit the evidence at the scene that they would have arrested him? Come on folks, it;s not a damn conspiracy involving the entire Sanford Florida Police Dept.

In the second set of pics in the original op. Looks as if the innocence is gone. Replaced with bravado.

Originally posted by VonDoomen
reply to post by ClintK

 

Its true he has no legal obligation to answer any questions. However answering a question like that is not a big deal and it would show his ability to work *with* people and good intentions. If he had just calmy and rationally answered the questions i believe the outcome would have been much different and he would be alive today. If treyvons father lived inthis gated community, zimmern may have known him. It is unlikely that some random person would know the name of a black family in this gated community. I agree with your assessment that he had no obligation to answer, but it would have been in his own best interest. Showing an unwillingness to cooperate with people will lead people to be suspicious and believe you are hiding something. Any self respecting community watch person would want to know what a teenager he did not recognize was doing intheir gated community at night. Dont forget, the most crime prone group of society is young adult males under the age of 25.

Also thank you for clarifying the use of images of minors in the media. Thought it extended to minors in alk circumstances??

edit on 3/26/2012 by VonDoomen because: (no reason given)

And this makes it ok to shoot an unarmed man?carrying skittles?
BECAUSE the "community " are soo paranoid that they lock themselves in a lil estate at night and fear the boogeyman?

Originally posted by USarmyFL

Originally posted by TinkerHaus
Still looks like a kid.

The military takes 17 year olds.. Why? Because they are in their prime physically... Obviously Mr. Z's nose and back of head show that.


U

Nobody is in their pyshical prime at 17.

At that age they are at one of their psychologically most impressionable and weakest moments.

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

Wheres the evidence to state he was being stalked? Where's the witness's that say it was all Zimmermans doing? Where's the evidence to fault what Zimmerman said happened? So I am to suppose to now believe the Sanford Florida police dept in covering up a killing?

Was'nt this a gated community? It was. Did Trayvon live there? NO. He was staying with father while he was Suspended from school. You don't get suspended for being " an innocent kid? DO YOU? Was;nt there a string of breakins there in the recent past? Yes there was.

I don't know what happened. YOU don't know what happened. Don't you just for a minute think that if the Sanford police had any inclanation that Zimmermans story did not fit the evidence at the scene that they would have arrested him? Come on folks, it;s not a damn conspiracy involving the entire Sanford Florida Police Dept.

In the second set of pics in the original op. Looks as if the innocence is gone. Replaced with bravado.

edit on 26-3-2012 by openyourmind1262 because: (no reason given)

Zimmernam said he followed him ....end of defence of self defence imo..this was someone looking for trouble , and it doesnt look like it was trayvon

I'm black. I wear hoodies, fitted caps, and doo-rags. I frequently walk to the store up the street for arnold palmer 50/50 teas and candy; I have to walk through a couple nice neighborhoods to do so (No sidewalks and don't want to walk in the street).

All I'm saying is, if it's pitch black outside and some moron wants to get close enough to me without properly identifying himself; he's going to have alot of fun picking his jaw off the ground.

Originally posted by Russh50
reply to post by Thunder heart woman

 

Only mouthy ones who call me a racist.

You are a racist.

reply to post by DOLCOTT


All I can say to this post is. BRAVO!!!! Sums it up real nice & neat. And it's the pure truth of the matter. KUDOS to you.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Treyvon did not even live there and had been suspended from school
if he had of never been suspended from school he would of never
of been in the position he was in and where he was at.
decisions people make a difference.

Pretty sure you are allowed to go almost anywhere in the US without issue...
Maybe he was going to see his girlfriend...his vanilla white girlfriend (did that make you cringe?).
Maybe he was going there because he wanted to check out the cool homes
Maybe he was going there because he had a friend down the street and wanted to hang out.

Point is, a person can walk wherever they please...there is no "whites and hispanics only" signs on roads.

Still, I don't know who is guilty of what in this...thats for a jury to decide..problem is, front loading of people will no doubt make people assume stuff (why was a black man in a white neighborhood type crap).

Would a white man walking down that road also be tailed by this idiot? You know what..maybe he was there to sell some plant to a neighbor...thing in america is you are presumed innocent until evidence shows your guilty...this guy figured the dude was guilty of something, and was pressing him to prove he is innocent..because he looked different...that much is clear. As far as who attacked who first..well, we shall see. Their will be experts weighing in on whos voice that was at the initial scream.

But if it was in self defense (maybe it was)...seriously..couldn't the guy shoot an arm or leg? what the hell...and was there a warning shot to begin with to let the kid know...dont eff with me?

Originally posted by Russh50
What are the "facts" that we have been hearing:
1. Jumped the fence of a gated community. ( Criminal trespassing in Florida )
2. Just visiting his father because he was kicked out of school for 10 days in Miami. ( family lawyer sealed this incident )
3. Swung at his bus driver in school. ( ??? )
4 Selling drugs via Twitter.
5. Dressed as a thug.
6. Ran when confronted by the volunteer from the homeowners association.
7. Volunteer beaten up.

If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck, then it's a duck people.

Ok, lets say I belive what you just said. I cannot kill someone in self-defense based on your accusations. He was a bad boy in school so I should hunt him down on a public street and shoot him?

He didnt have to jump over the fence, the fence is only blocked to prevent cars from entering. Regardless, he was shot for jumping a fence? (man, I would have been killed when I was young)

Prove he was selling drugs on twitter...regardless, that had nothing at all to do with the day he died. Did Mr. Zimmerman know this at the time?

He ran? I would have ran too if some freak white (hispanic) dude was following me. Wouldnt you? What? - White looking people can't mug?

You are just trying to deflect the truth. That Mr. Zimmerman followed this young boy, harrassed him and killed him. That idiot could have stayed in the car, informed the police of his worries, waited for them and let the professionals handle the situation. How can you blame the boy for what happened?

reply to post by takaris7


Your joking right? Would I stop for some weirdo following me in the rain...I would think some fool is trying to mug me. What respect did that man need? I should stop because he looked white? or I should trust him because white (looking people) dont mug or steal? Who is fefending himself in this case?

Hmmm let's see, in this specific case it was in a gated community, an adult asks a question similiair to "what the hell are you doing here" the arrogant young man should have replied, " I am staying at my parents sir, they live at xxx address" that would have most likely saved his life. I have taught my children respect for adults and others, the culture today is disrespect everyone, your parents, teachers, police anyone in authority and yourself. The kid did not deserve to be shot period, however his arrogance lead to his death,

I was most recently almost a victim of being car jacked, I am 6'7 290 lbs and have a concealed weapons permit and always carry a gun, I live in an upper middle class neighborhood in Florida. The criminals were both young men 1 black, 1 white. I easily could have shot them both as they told me they had a gun, I produced mine and they fled only to be arrested a short time later by the police. In lieu of having them face jail time and perhaps ruining their lives, I asked the judge to force them to go to a military style boot camp. Both are back in school, getting decent grades and are no longer terrorizing the streets. This could have worked out totally differently, now they have learned respect, mostly of themselves, making the world just a little bit better.

Originally posted by openyourmind1262
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine

 

Wheres the evidence to state he was being stalked? Where's the witness's that say it was all Zimmermans doing? Where's the evidence to fault what Zimmerman said happened? So I am to suppose to now believe the Sanford Florida police dept in covering up a killing?

Was'nt this a gated community? It was. Did Trayvon live there? NO. He was staying with father while he was Suspended from school. You don't get suspended for being " an innocent kid? DO YOU? Was;nt there a string of breakins there in the recent past? Yes there was.

I don't know what happened. YOU don't know what happened. Don't you just for a minute think that if the Sanford police had any inclanation that Zimmermans story did not fit the evidence at the scene that they would have arrested him? Come on folks, it;s not a damn conspiracy involving the entire Sanford Florida Police Dept.

In the second set of pics in the original op. Looks as if the innocence is gone. Replaced with bravado.

edit on 26-3-2012 by openyourmind1262 because: (no reason given)

Well it all started when the dispatcher asked Zimmerman if he was following and he said YES!!!

WTF does it matter where his "innocent look" went!??! He did NOT COMMIT A CRIME AND WAS CHARGED AND EXECUTED THAT NIGHT!!!

I do know what happened. A teenager died, and the police left it at that. No investigation was even planned until the country began to cry.. Let that sit on your mind for a second.

reply to post by gambon


Being followed is not grounds for physical assault. Sorry. If an argument broke out, which I'm sure it did, is not grounds for assaulting someone.

Gun laws and other laws that allow for physical confrontation are very clear: The first person to strike the opposing person and or the first person to brandish a weapon therefore loses his or her right to self defense.

If Zimmerman walks up to Martin and has an argument and draws his gun, then gets punched .. then Martin is in the right for self defense and Zimmerman guilty of murder.

If Zimmerman walks up to Martin, and Martin is mad at being followed and hits Zimmerman before the gun is drawn or before being hit himself ... Martin loses the right to self defense and Zimmerman is legally in the right for killing him.

Being followed, unless onto private property, is NEVER grounds for assaulting someone.
It has absolutely nothing to do with guns .. Zimmerman could just as easily of stabbed Martin if attacked. The "Stand your ground" doesn't even pertain to only guns, it covers all ranges of confrontation .. from baseball bats, your fists, to a gun.

Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I thought it was a hispanic man...


Who is the white kid your talking about?

Many miss this part of it 1 thinks SaturnFX

Ya, actually its funny actually.
There are clear racists weighing in on here...boy won't they be surprised when they realized they were defending a hispanic and his right to kill.

If this Trayvon was white, you would hear them saying how Zim is not arrested because the liberal obama lovers love the latinos' killing off white people or whatnot.



Anyhow, jury is out...but I do enjoy watching the racists desperately attempt to sound logical...and fail miserably.

"look at him..he has a hoodie on...gangsta!"
I especially liked the argument where they proved he sold and smoked stuff....ya..like the fools commenting never did and know nobody who did that is otherwise a perfectly respectful citizen.

-head swims-

This story is tragic..yet it is just one of a thousand exactly the same. actually, I am not sure what the outcry from the public is about this one instance. I think it started as a challenge to the stand your ground law...and discussing the merits of it. The racial stuff wasn't even on the front burner until the media started in on it...not sure how the race of the latin guy became white though.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by ManjushriPrajna
I find it fascinating that black kids shoot black kids every day, but it isn't until a white kid is involved that anybody takes notice.

White kid?
I thought it was a hispanic man...


Who is the white kid your talking about?

Thats the BS the MSM was spouting
when this first broke WHITE MAN kills
little black boy
WHITE MAN did this WHITE MAN..

Peopl are finally just now finding out
he is actually hispanic with a lil white and a little black
in him, far from *white* if it even mattered in the first place