Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

reply to post by fbluth

You speak of minutes in the timelines.
A fast walk would have gotten Trayvon home in less than two minutes.
Poor scared Trayvon could have walked the distance in less than two minutes.
Instead, poor little scared Trayvon decided to hang out in the rain for a little while longer, then confront, sucker punch and hit Zimmerman while he was down.

If had just ran away after punching Zimmerman and knocking him down, he could be in juvenile detention now, instead of dead.

You need side by side times for the 50 yard dash for both of them? One, a 17 year old high school athlete, the other an overweight 'wannabe cop' (oh, how many times has he been called that in this thread?)?

Originally posted by fbluth
reply to post by rebellender

 

no you are trippin!!!!

He wasn't just 'steps' from his house. The clubhouse and mailboxes at the front of the community and TM house was back by the back gate. How is that just step? He was murdered 70 yards from his house..thats 210 feet....how is 210 'just steps'?

thankyou very much for making my point

Originally posted by Annee

Thanks.

That's what I was looking for. Knew I heard it - - just wanted clarifying facts - - which you provided.

Do not believe the lies the MSM is feeding
zimmerman was being attacked screaming for
help and was threatened for his life, he had every right
to stand his ground and shoot treyvon seeing how
treyvon was the aggressor as per say the witness accounts,
9-11 tapes, it was all self defense..

reply to post by fbluth


Fbluth,
I was presenting those questions as questions not facts.
I'm with you on this.. There was a little sarcasm to it.. Hence
Why I asked if he ambushed him and beat him senseless why
is there only, keyword, 1 1/4inch "cut" on "only" 1 knuckle

reply to post by butcherguy


What do they actually mean when they say,
"we don't need you to do that"

You can but we can't legally tell you not to? Just a question

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by Annee

Thanks.

That's what I was looking for. Knew I heard it - - just wanted clarifying facts - - which you provided.

Do not believe the lies the MSM is feeding
zimmerman was being attacked screaming for
help and was threatened for his life, he had every right
to stand his ground and shoot treyvon seeing how
treyvon was the aggressor as per say the witness accounts,
9-11 tapes, it was all self defense..

Are you on a continuous loop?

Anyone remember the good old days when women were ladies and grown men could win a fight with a skinny teenager?
I guess all that goth, metrosexual, and wearing girl's pants crap finally hit adulthood. Real men used to be able to beat up kids if they had to but usually wouldn't because it was not honorable anyway.

reply to post by dirty7481


It means that in order to keep chaos to a minimum it would be best if he were not to do something stupid such as...be on the scene with a gun when the cops show up looking for someone suspicious, or threaten a kid, starting a fight that ends in a gunshot for no reason. It means, you sit your fat ass back down and let the professionals handle that kid with the candy so NO ONE GETS HURT.

That is what it means. Unfortunately George has the eyes of an FAS baby and sounds like that might be the case by his judgement and ability to use logic as well as his duhhhhhh voice on the 911 call. So George said "OK" and kept on trucking right up until something bad that did not ever need to happen, happened.

reply to post by Autumnal


I agree..
Just not sure why people keep saying that's not what they
meant(911 operator)..

reply to post by butcherguy


Point me to where TM first ran from GZ. Not where you want him to have ran, but the documented, proven point at which TM started to run. Then point me to which direction he was running. Sources please.

Poor scared GZ could have walked back to his car in the 87 second from the time he said 'ok' til the time he hung up with dispatch. Why didn't he. A fast walk he could have made it. Why didn't he make it? Was he that out of shape that he couldn't make a return trip that took 15 seconds to get to point A, but he couldn't back to point B in 87 seconds. If you are concerned about how long it took TM to get back to his house, why aren't you concerned about GZ gettin back to his car? Seems hypocritical.

How would TM know that GZ was going to exit his car so he would have the golden oppurtunity to ambush and sucker punch him? Did he have physic abilities that you are aware of? Not to mention, just like pops, you know its been clearly established that TM didn't ambush anyone. The were some words spoken between the 2 of them...that is not an ambush. Why do you insist on promoting that lie?

Why is it ok to say IF TM had just ran home, but its not ok to say IF GZ had just stayed in his car?

Yes I do need side by side stats for both of them. If you want to compare their running abilities I would like to see some proof to back up your claims. If you don't have that evidence, don't promote it unless you label it as your GZ fantasies.

GZ seemed pretty fit in his PD pictures. You can call him whatever you want, but to me it looks fat george could have kept up. I know GZ fans view GZ as an anorexic would view themselves in a mirror. All GZ fans see is fat and out of shape man, a man who could never run, a man who was completely defenseless (except that gun), a man who is an angel. That is not what the real world see. We see a man very capable of committing the crimes he is charged with.......cuz thats what he is.

reply to post by rebellender


I made my point that you are wrong. Thank you for showing me you can't follow and comprehend a conversation.

reply to post by dirty7481


Ive been advocating a sarcasm font.....i think the internet could use it.

Sorry for any miscommunication or mis reading on my part.

reply to post by fbluth


Can someone explain how tm only has a small cut on
one knuckle if he was beating gz to where he felt his life was
threatened? Or could this cut have happened prior to the
"fight"? Or was he giving gz a 1 knuckle beat down?

reply to post by dirty7481


Ill try to answer that.

No, no one can explain that.

But we do know that knuckles are the leading cause of head trauma and the most widely used defense to make a self defense claim in court to beat murder charges.

In all seriousness, it wasn't even a cut. It was an abrasion. Which means it was probably similar to the scratches on GZ head and nose. I really find it hilarious that GZ fans think a 1/8-1/4'' abrasion on a knuckle PROVES that TM attacked. But somehow, to them , it does.

Originally posted by Hardstepah
reply to post by Autumnal

 

last reply in this thread. you people just don't get it. i concede that you and i don't know who started it, but the evidence points to zimmermans story checking out.

Yet not one of you can show me this evidence. Why is that?

it isn't worth the time because

And then you go on to TAKE THE TIME. Hey, if it was not worth the time to write, it must not be worth the time to read.

reply to post by popsmayhem


reply to post by rebellender


Just curious why when I asked you to describe the wound to Trayvons hand, neither of you acknowledged that. I am more than curious why you guys are trying to pretend his hands were bruised from punching when that is clearly not the case. Why did you not want to tell me what the knuckle wounds really were, one wound on one knuckle?

What up wit dat?

Originally posted by TKDRL
reply to post by Autumnal

 

Who said I pulled them over? They were trying to buy more beer when they couldn't even walk right. I just snatched the keys so they couldn't get back into the car and drive away before the cops got there in most cases. A few times I blocked their car in with my truck, pinned between a wall and my truck, they couldn't go anywhere. No way I am letting them get back behind the wheel if I can help it, who knows who they might end up killing if I do.

You are so full of crap. I am too drunk to drive right now, arrest me.
You took someone's keys until the real police showed up and you think you made a citizens arrest?


What planet are you from?
That is not making a citizens arrest, that is being annoying until cops show up.

This is the lamest backdown from a claim I have read. I really thought you might try and prove you made citizens arrests on people for committing crimes.
Being too drunk to drive is not a crime and in no state in the US can you make a citizens arrest on someone for being too drunk to drive.

I asked what state because CA laws vary from state to state but not one in 50 allows what you just described as a course of legal action. You did not arrest anyone. You got in their way for a bit.

This is sooooo stupid.

Originally posted by darkbake
Here is a medical report that shows Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Ummm...no it does not. You linked to a rather biased article that made that the title but the medical report shows no such thing.

reply to post by Annee


I can agree with that, I was trying to bring facts to the side of the case that I thought was under-represented. My personal opinion is that it would have been much better had Zimmerman not shot Martin. I would never shoot someone who was using hand-to-hand combat, even if they were attacking me and it was in self-defense.

However, just having a personal opinion favoring Martin does not mean that I am going to let people ignore facts or ignore them myself. The best arguments are ones that are laid on solid ground. No one is going to get anywhere by using false claims to back up their arguments.

Originally posted by Autumnal

Originally posted by darkbake
Here is a medical report that shows Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman.

Ummm...no it does not. You linked to a rather biased article that made that the title but the medical report shows no such thing.

“A medical report compiled by the family physician of Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman ... found that Zimmerman was diagnosed with a ‘closed fracture’ of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation,” the network reported.

Courtesy of the article. I also posted a video on the next page. I am not claiming that Martin started the fight, simply that he did engage in battle with Zimmerman.