Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

reply to post by GogoVicMorrow

That's fine man, believe what you want. I just choose not to make up my mind about who is DEFINITELY innocent or guilty after looking at only 50% of the evidence presented by the same MSM everyone finds so repulsive, and I don't know why anyone else can either. We literally don't know the half of it.

reply to post by popsmayhem


You realize all of those same outlets you've mentioned are currently releasing all kinds of stuff smearing TM or damaging his case right? If it were a true cover up, like how they were absolutely scheming against Ron Paul, you wouldn't hear a damn thing about GZ's wounds or TM's THC levels, but that's all you hear right now.

If you wanna talk conspiracy, I'd say that they are actively fueling BOTH sides of the fire, setting us up against each other while they get to push things like propaganda bills in the government. Put down your fists and open your heart. We're on the same team!

reply to post by solarjetman

If you wanna talk conspiracy, I'd say that they are actively fueling BOTH sides of the fire, setting us up against each other while they get to push things like propaganda bills in the government. Put down your fists and open your heart. We're on the same team!

Star on that!
They do gin up as much crap as they can on both sides. The bigger the issue is to more people, the more advertizing time they can sell and charge more for it.
Wonder if they are thinking about how many viewers they could get to tune in for riot coverage?

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by solarjetman
Now that I'm finally watching the 7-11 video, I'm seeing that Trayvon's hoodie is actually a really dark gray, almost black. Now I'm confused... the witness who saw someone in a white t-shirt on top I assumed she mistook as the gray hoodie, but she couldn't have possibly done that now that I'm looking at it. But George was wearing orange... so who the hell was she looking at?

Well, if we invent crap, like some are prone to do here, we can say that one of Trayvon's local hoodlum friends was a co-conspirator and was beating up George too. Nevermind that there is zero evidence, we can just dream it up.

Huh?? Not sure where that came from... it's an honest question, I'm just trying to make sense of past assumptions in light of newer evidence. Who would mistake this as a white t-shirt?

Originally posted by solarjetman

Originally posted by butcherguy

Originally posted by solarjetman
Now that I'm finally watching the 7-11 video, I'm seeing that Trayvon's hoodie is actually a really dark gray, almost black. Now I'm confused... the witness who saw someone in a white t-shirt on top I assumed she mistook as the gray hoodie, but she couldn't have possibly done that now that I'm looking at it. But George was wearing orange... so who the hell was she looking at?

Well, if we invent crap, like some are prone to do here, we can say that one of Trayvon's local hoodlum friends was a co-conspirator and was beating up George too. Nevermind that there is zero evidence, we can just dream it up.

Huh??

Not sure where that came from... it's an honest question, I'm just trying to make sense of past assumptions in light of newer evidence. Who would mistake this as a white t-shirt?

Earlier, I made the point that a lot of the witnesses that have come forward are poor witnesses at best, changing their stories, not having their contact lenses in and the like. I believe that this case will come down to the physical evidence and what George Zimmerman has said.
All through this thread, there have been posters dreaming up what may have happened and presenting it as that IS what happened.
I was not blaming you for doing that.
You have a very valid point. No one present had a white T-shirt exposed that night, to the best of our knowledge, so that, IMO, makes that witness unreliable.

reply to post by solarjetman


Good question. One of the witness says she seen GZ in a hoodie in handcuffs after the shooting. And his Jacket and Tshirt only had a total of 1 particle of GSR on it, on the back of a shoulder.

Your right, no one would mistake TM dark gray hoodie for white. But they could mistake GZ light gray Tshirt as white in the dark, or GZ may have had a hoodie on?

Witness Audio - 'The man in handcuffs had on a hoodie'

Trayvon Case New Evidence: Zimmerman Had NO Gunshot Residue, Gun Had Multiple DNA Contributers!!!

reply to post by butcherguy


Is that the best you could come up with? What are the chances, you do the math, of her seeing a jogger 30 seconds before TM was gunned down by GZ. If you think the chances of her seeing a jogger in the dark and rain are better than seeing GZ chasing TM your just irrational and illogical. I were contacts, i can still see when i take them out, doesn't make me blind and doesn't make her blind. She then continued to watch......how did she the rest if she is so blind without her contacts?

And then explain why GZ would run towards TM house and AWAY from his vehicle.

Yes, your one of those people.

reply to post by butcherguy


But there is evidence...no proof, that TM hoodie was the darkest gray you could get. Would you mistake that dark gray hoodie for white? In the dark?

so what did the poster you responded to invent? it is a FACT that TM hoodie was DARK gray, how is that inventing anything? Seems more like the poster was saying that originally they thought that MAYBE TM hoodie was a light gray, or normal gray.....not the darkest gray available, and if it was a light gray hoodie then ok, maybe people mistook that for white......but now that we know TM had on a DARK hoodie we know that nobody, nobody, nobody, well except maybe you, would mistake TM hoodie for white.

You just wanna fight with people and be condescending, you don't want the truth of this case. You just want GZ to walk away scott free after killing an unarmed teenager for no reason.........one must ask why that is? Im pretty sure I know why.

reply to post by fbluth
I won't bother asking if you can read.

Maybe you didn't read my last post.
there isn't anything to argue with there.

reply to post by butcherguy

Gotcha. Hmm, well, it is still odd to me, because on the one hand I know eyewitnesses can be unreliable, but on the other, I'm not sure how you could possibly mistake black/dark gray for white when it's totally dark outside. If they are both wearing dark clothes and it's dark outside, then I understand if she got confused about who was wearing red or gray, but white is going to stand out in the dark.

I know you're tired of people dreaming up scenarios, but I have to throw this one out there before dismissing the witness altogether: that guy who took the photo of Zimmerman's head before the police arrived-- what was HE wearing??

reply to post by solarjetman
Thinking something as a possibility and saying that something happened without a doubt are two different things, but the question you ask bears following out.
If the photographer was wearing a white T-shirt, then you have to ask the question of how he would fit into some scenario where he was on top of Zimmerman. But with other witnesses stories, how could that have taken place before the shot was fired that killed Trayvon?

Originally posted by fbluth
reply to post by butcherguy

 

But there is evidence...no proof, that TM hoodie was the darkest gray you could get. Would you mistake that dark gray hoodie for white? In the dark?

so what did the poster you responded to invent? it is a FACT that TM hoodie was DARK gray, how is that inventing anything? Seems more like the poster was saying that originally they thought that MAYBE TM hoodie was a light gray, or normal gray.....not the darkest gray available, and if it was a light gray hoodie then ok, maybe people mistook that for white......but now that we know TM had on a DARK hoodie we know that nobody, nobody, nobody, well except maybe you, would mistake TM hoodie for white.

You just wanna fight with people and be condescending, you don't want the truth of this case. You just want GZ to walk away scott free after killing an unarmed teenager for no reason.........one must ask why that is? Im pretty sure I know why.

Beating someones head in the
ground is grounds for execution.
Clear and simple, all evidence supports
treyvons ambushed of zimmerman

Originally posted by fbluth
reply to post by butcherguy

 

And then explain why GZ would run towards TM house and AWAY from his vehicle.

Yes, your one of those people.

Why would treyvon be so moronic
and ambush zimmerman? Theres
morons out there who like to beat up
on mexican/white people.

reply to post by popsmayhem


So now GZ is White/Afro-Peruvian/Mexican ..... where is the picture form 75 years ago to prove his mexican heritage? You have a link for that? You know the picture of his great great grand mammy who is being held by her mommie who is most likely of chinese descent....you know those pictures. Id like to see them.

He didn't like Mexicans and we all know he is black. I mean his great grand pappy was black, doesn't that make GZ black or is he white or mexican or peruvian ...lets ask GZ what he calls himself...but we know it isn't Mexican......lol

The point is......you can't even keep up to know that GZ isn't Mexican or the fact its been very well established over and over that TM didn't ambush anyone. thats just pure fantasy in your head.

Originally posted by fbluth
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

So now GZ is White/Afro-Peruvian/Mexican ..... where is the picture form 75 years ago to prove his mexican heritage? You have a link for that? You know the picture of his great great grand mammy who is being held by her mommie who is most likely of chinese descent....you know those pictures. Id like to see them.

He didn't like Mexicans and we all know he is black. I mean his great grand pappy was black, doesn't that make GZ black or is he white or mexican or peruvian ...lets ask GZ what he calls himself...but we know it isn't Mexican......lol

The point is......you can't even keep up to know that GZ isn't Mexican or the fact its been very well established over and over that TM didn't ambush anyone. thats just pure fantasy in your head.

Just admit it,
Zimmerman is innocent
he acted in self defense,
all the evidence points to this.

reply to post by popsmayhem


So far the witness testamony says Zimmerman guilty, so far everything we have in the case says Zimmerman guilty..

What you have here is a group of people who want someone to be innocent so everything will be ignored that does not fit into that ideal.

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

So far the witness testamony says Zimmerman guilty, so far everything we have in the case says Zimmerman guilty..

What you have here is a group of people who want someone to be innocent so everything will be ignored that does not fit into that ideal.

I am not aware that there has been any testimony.
Who has testified so far?

reply to post by butcherguy


Every witness who has talked to the police is a testamony (just not in the court of law, but will be used for such and why they are being released to the public). No reason to dance around the subject really, facts are facts.

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Every witness who has talked to the police is a testamony (just not in the court of law, but will be used for such and why they are being released to the public). No reason to dance around the subject really, facts are facts.

Who administered the oath (or affirmation) when these witnesses testified?

If they were not under oath, they made statements. If found to be false, the statements would constitute making false statements to police.
If they testify falsely, they can be found guilty of perjury, which is a serious crime.
If they make a statement to police, then do not testify, it will hold very little in court. There is a big difference.

Originally posted by Resurected
reply to post by butcherguy

 

Every witness who has talked to the police is a testamony (just not in the court of law, but will be used for such and why they are being released to the public). No reason to dance around the subject really, facts are facts.

All the witnesses story line up with
zimmerman's there is no evidence
that could convict zimmerman of
murder.