Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Originally posted by Wiz4769
Actually its on you guys to prove he did not get attacked...
After Monday and they have their last look at this, I sure hope there is not 1 single post bitching about it anymore when they say they are sticking to the whole not pressing charges thing,

Who has to prove what?
There has to be evidenced
hard cold solid evidence
that proves zimmerman attacked
trevon.. If there is no evidence to prove
that you can not or should not arrest
someone who was in self defense.
Also the special prosecuter even the
fbi, or the sanford police department
can come out at any time and tell us something,
there is no set date except for the grand jurry
in 5 days, it might not go to grand jurry if
they come out and let us know something
so if people are interested keep an eye
out here.

reply to post by pizzanazi75

Maybe SYG should be rewritten to say 'if you kill and unarmed juvenile' then stand your ground does not apply and you must be charged with a crime.

That would not work, how would anyone honestly tell the difference between an 17 year old and an 18 year old?

Treyvon martin never had the chance to defend himself based on the law....zimmerman always had the upper hand.

Traeyvaughoawun didn't need to defend himself he was attacking zimmerman.

You can't defend yourslf from bullets with your fist. the law is in favor of Zimmermans shooting juveniles and not having to be held accountable.

The law is in favor of victims of violent crimes.

Its like telling a rape victim she has to prove she didn't ask for it. Basically Treyvon has to somehow prove he didn't ask for it .

You have no knowledge of the law do you?

instead of Zimmerman having to prove that Treyvon did ask for it. Smear the victim.

No... where do you come up with this stuff? The state has to prove that Trayvaughwawsn didn't deserve to be shot. Innocent until proven guilty.

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused

We already went over this, swingin on a bus driver and telling his friends to shoot people makes him a thug or at the very least he wants people to think of him as a thug.

Ah, yes. of course that's what he was going for. And that picture of him riding a horse and the one of him dressed in a tuxedo for his senior prom? MAN, what a thug. Obviously, he wanted to show off his thuggish horse riding pose for the camera but I bet he waited until right after he was done cleaning his room.

An inspection of his twitter feed shows exactly how he wanted to be portrayed.
www.scribd.com...

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by pizzanazi75

 

Maybe SYG should be rewritten to say 'if you kill and unarmed juvenile' then stand your ground does not apply and you must be charged with a crime.

That would not work, how would anyone honestly tell the difference between an 17 year old and an 18 year old?

Treyvon martin never had the chance to defend himself based on the law....zimmerman always had the upper hand.

Traeyvaughoawun didn't need to defend himself he was attacking zimmerman.

You can't defend yourslf from bullets with your fist. the law is in favor of Zimmermans shooting juveniles and not having to be held accountable.

The law is in favor of victims of violent crimes.

Its like telling a rape victim she has to prove she didn't ask for it. Basically Treyvon has to somehow prove he didn't ask for it .

You have no knowledge of the law do you?

instead of Zimmerman having to prove that Treyvon did ask for it. Smear the victim.

No... where do you come up with this stuff? The state has to prove that Trayvaughwawsn didn't deserve to be shot. Innocent until proven guilty.

1. It would work. It would put concealed carriers on check. It is not fair in any way, legally, or any other to not be able to meet force with force. The law prevent Treyvon from defending himself yet gave carte blanche to Zimmerman to kill an unarmed teenager. Treyvon should have had the right to defend himself with the force met. ..... laws prevented him from protecting himself from a predatory adult. Predatory adults are the problem not candy eating teenagers.
2. Again, with that statement you discount zimmermans history and lay all the blame on Treyvon with no proof or evidence but the word of the killer. If Zimmerman was black and Treyvon white....I bet this story would be different. Treyvon never would have gotten the benefit of the doubt.
3. No the law is in favor of perpetrators of violent crimes to know before hand that they have a defense for their irresponsible actions. SYG = Vigilantism
4. Yes I do. Rape sheild laws protect a victim of rape....where is the protection for a juvenile victim of vigilantism...it would seem you know nothing of the law.
5 I come up with this stuff because it is true.

reply to post by kimish


I'm only trying to keep the level of nonsense that's being spewed on an equal level.

Tupac was well-known for who and what he was. Are you saying you knew Trayvon on a level like that? Talk about straw-man arguments. My "boner," as you so elegantly put it, for Trayvon is that he was an unarmed minor walking down the street at night, not committing any crime, no evidence of any intent to commit a crime, no drugs or alcohol in his possession at the time of the incident, has no proven criminal or violent history and he was shot dead. And the only word we have to go on what really happened is from the man with the violent past and criminal history, who pulled the trigger of his own gun.

Prove to me that he deserved to be shot dead and I should believe your hero without question, and I'll consider them. Until then, you have your version of events and I have mine.

Zimmerman doesn't need defending, remember? He's free and innocent in the eyes of the law, so what's your reason for defending him so voraciously?

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused

We already went over this, swingin on a bus driver and telling his friends to shoot people makes him a thug or at the very least he wants people to think of him as a thug.

Ah, yes. of course that's what he was going for. And that picture of him riding a horse and the one of him dressed in a tuxedo for his senior prom? MAN, what a thug. Obviously, he wanted to show off his thuggish horse riding pose for the camera but I bet he waited until right after he was done cleaning his room.

An inspection of his twitter feed shows exactly how he wanted to be portrayed.
www.scribd.com...

and an inspection of Zimmermans past legal troubles with aggression and domestic violence shows exactly how he wanted to be portrayed........would you not agree?

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reply to post by pizzanazi75


Hahaha. I like that comment

Glad to see a sense of humor make it's presence felt in this thread.

reply to post by CoherentlyConfused


I'm just saying, what you posted about him going to prom and riding horses, you kind of made it sound like there's no way he could've been a thug because of those things. So in rebuttal, I posted what I did about Tupac.

FYI, I got one foot on each side of the fence on this case. But my one side is leaning a little more on GZ side. I still think GZ needs to do some time if that's any consolation for you.

reply to post by pizzanazi75

1. It would work. It would put concealed carriers on check. It is not fair in any way, legally, or any other to not be able to meet force with force. The law prevent Treyvon from defending himself yet gave carte blanche to Zimmerman to kill an unarmed teenager. Treyvon should have had the right to defend himself with the force met. ..... laws prevented him from protecting himself from a predatory adult. Predatory adults are the problem not candy eating teenagers.

I could not understand that, try again.

2. Again, with that statement you discount zimmermans history and lay all the blame on Treyvon with no proof or evidence but the word of the killer. If Zimmerman was black and Treyvon white....I bet this story would be different. Treyvon never would have gotten the benefit of the doubt.

Again with the strawman, i have never discounted zimmerman's history. I do lay the blame on Treyvalanawawon as he assaulted zimmerman and there is nothing to prove that traeylabowghowun was ever hit with anything other than a justice cannon.

3. No the law is in favor of perpetrators of violent crimes to know before hand that they have a defense for their irresponsible actions. SYG = Vigilantism

You misunderstand, outside of liberal land people are actually responsible for their own actions, so by assaulting zimmerman treylobavaughwwen opened himself to the possibility to getting 9mms of justice.

4. Yes I do. Rape sheild laws protect a victim of rape....where is the protection for a juvenile victim of vigilantism...it would seem you know nothing of the law.

You obviously don't know the law. "Rape Shield laws" just say the defendant cannot use past unrelated sexual conduct against the victim. The rapist can still say she was asking for it as a defense. You also do not know what a vigilante is or what that means

A vigilante is a private individual (or (pl.) group of individuals) who presumes to carry out extralegal punishment in defiance of existing law.

Considering stand your ground is an existing law, Zimmerman was not in defiance of it and therefore could not be a vigilante. Your logic fails...

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused

We already went over this, swingin on a bus driver and telling his friends to shoot people makes him a thug or at the very least he wants people to think of him as a thug.

Ah, yes. of course that's what he was going for. And that picture of him riding a horse and the one of him dressed in a tuxedo for his senior prom? MAN, what a thug. Obviously, he wanted to show off his thuggish horse riding pose for the camera but I bet he waited until right after he was done cleaning his room.

An inspection of his twitter feed shows exactly how he wanted to be portrayed.
www.scribd.com...

and an inspection of Zimmermans past legal troubles with aggression and domestic violence shows exactly how he wanted to be portrayed........would you not agree?

No, Show me proof that zimmerman was publicly displaying that information for all to see and you will have a point.

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by pizzanazi75

 

1. It would work. It would put concealed carriers on check. It is not fair in any way, legally, or any other to not be able to meet force with force. The law prevent Treyvon from defending himself yet gave carte blanche to Zimmerman to kill an unarmed teenager. Treyvon should have had the right to defend himself with the force met. ..... laws prevented him from protecting himself from a predatory adult. Predatory adults are the problem not candy eating teenagers.

I could not understand that, try again.

2. Again, with that statement you discount zimmermans history and lay all the blame on Treyvon with no proof or evidence but the word of the killer. If Zimmerman was black and Treyvon white....I bet this story would be different. Treyvon never would have gotten the benefit of the doubt.

Again with the strawman, i have never discounted zimmerman's history. I do lay the blame on Treyvalanawawon as he assaulted zimmerman and there is nothing to prove that traeylabowghowun was ever hit with anything other than a justice cannon.

3. No the law is in favor of perpetrators of violent crimes to know before hand that they have a defense for their irresponsible actions. SYG = Vigilantism

You misunderstand, outside of liberal land people are actually responsible for their own actions, so by assaulting zimmerman treylobavaughwwen opened himself to the possibility to getting 9mms of justice.

4. Yes I do. Rape sheild laws protect a victim of rape....where is the protection for a juvenile victim of vigilantism...it would seem you know nothing of the law.

You obviously don't know the law. "Rape Shield laws" just say the defendant cannot use past unrelated sexual conduct against the victim. The rapist can still say she was asking for it as a defense. You also do not know what a vigilante is or what that means

A vigilante is a private individual (or (pl.) group of individuals) who presumes to carry out extralegal punishment in defiance of existing law.

Considering stand your ground is an existing law, Zimmerman was not in defiance of it and therefore could not be a vigilante. Your logic fails...

1. Let me put it this way. How as Treyvon supposed to protect himself against this predatory adult? His fist? Why is fair that he is not allowed to conceal to protect himself. Children are victims of predatory adults everday. I don't understand why you would be so against them being allowed to carry. Dont you want all citizens to be able to protect themselves? Or just certain citizens.
2. You discount his past everytime you bring up something about Treyvons past that you seem to think justified his killing.
3. I know you can't even phatom this, but for sake of argument, lets just say Zimmerman assaulted Treyvon first, the 17 year old, for argument sake only......If Zimmerman assaulted Treyvon and Treyvon felt his life was threatened what recourse besides his fist did the law offer him to defend himself? By your logic everyone should be able to defend themselves from great bodily harm or death. Why shouldn't juvenile be able to protect themselves against great bodily harm or death with a gun. Seem like the law is unfair. That is why we protect juveniles and why SYG needs to say 'if you kill and unarmed juvenile' you can not use SYG as a defense.
4. Rape shield laws protect the victim ... its the same concept of you guys trying to smear treyvons reputation. Saying I don't understand the law means nothing. It is a comparison I am sorry you don't understand what those are.
5. That is yet to be determined. I guess you don't realize, since you've closed the case in your head, that this is still and ongoing investigation. So your logic fails.

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Originally posted by DavidWillts

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused

We already went over this, swingin on a bus driver and telling his friends to shoot people makes him a thug or at the very least he wants people to think of him as a thug.

Ah, yes. of course that's what he was going for. And that picture of him riding a horse and the one of him dressed in a tuxedo for his senior prom? MAN, what a thug. Obviously, he wanted to show off his thuggish horse riding pose for the camera but I bet he waited until right after he was done cleaning his room.

An inspection of his twitter feed shows exactly how he wanted to be portrayed.
www.scribd.com...

and an inspection of Zimmermans past legal troubles with aggression and domestic violence shows exactly how he wanted to be portrayed........would you not agree?

No, Show me proof that zimmerman was publicly displaying that information for all to see and you will have a point.

He resisted arrest with violence in a public bar. How is that not publicly displaying his 'information' ... its actually better proof than your twitter nonsense. How do you know Treyvons friend or brother didn't hack his account? their is no way to verify who sent tweets....my brothers like to take my phone and tweet like its me....its a thing people do these days...tweets mean nothing......A police record means something...I know not to you, but to the real world it does.

reply to post by pizzanazi75

1. Let me put it this way. How as Treyvon supposed to protect himself against this predatory adult?

By not assaulting people.

2. You discount his past everytime you bring up something about...

So basically you can just make stuff up? Well every time you post something you are denying the fact that the holocaust happened like some sort of neo-nazi- see how little sense that makes. Stop making stuff up, it makes you look desperate.

3. I know you can't even phatom this, but for sake of argument, lets just say Zimmerman assaulted Treyvon first, the 17 year old, for argument sake only.

And imagine if Traylablononvaughwn has wings and could FLY!!! And lets say that Trayvaown was a highlander and since zimmerman did not cut off his head so travetyon SURVIVED- for arguments sake only.
I don't have to make up scenarios to prove a point.

4. Rape shield laws protect the victim ... its the same concept of you guys trying to smear treyvons reputation.

Nooooo..... Rape sheild laws are real laws with a victim. Trayvownghnawn was not a victim of anything besides his own poor decisions.

Saying I don't understand the law means nothing.

Yes, it means you have no idea what you are talking about.

reply to post by pizzanazi75

He resisted arrest with violence in a public bar. How is that not publicly displaying his 'information' ... its actually better proof than your twitter nonsense.

But does it change the fact that he assaulted zimmerman?

How do you know Treyvons friend or brother didn't hack his account? their is no way to verify who sent tweets....my brothers like to take my phone and tweet like its me....its a thing people do these days...tweets mean nothing......A police record means something...I know not to you, but to the real world it does.

Wow mr stretch armstrong!! That is amazing!

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
He resisted arrest with violence in a public bar. How is that not publicly displaying his 'information' ... its actually better proof than your twitter nonsense. How do you know Treyvons friend or brother didn't hack his account? their is no way to verify who sent tweets....my brothers like to take my phone and tweet like its me....its a thing people do these days...tweets mean nothing......A police record means something...I know not to you, but to the real world it does.

Thought the past did not matter?
Like treyvon stealing jewlery,
illegal drugs found on him,
numerous school suspensions,
amounts of cash unaccounted for,
obvious troubled past to point
to why he would not be the smarted
crayon, attacking an armed person..
Want to bring up the past and make things
up things about zimmerman that are not true.

But does it change the fact that he assaulted zimmerman

What fact? There's no proof he attacked anyone. You assume he did.

Originally posted by CoherentlyConfused

But does it change the fact that he assaulted zimmerman

What fact? There's no proof he attacked anyone. You assume he did.

Eye witness says trayvioushwawn was on top of zimmerman- i dont think he was making love to him.

Originally posted by DavidWillts
reply to post by pizzanazi75

 

1. Let me put it this way. How as Treyvon supposed to protect himself against this predatory adult?

By not assaulting people.

2. You discount his past everytime you bring up something about...

So basically you can just make stuff up? Well every time you post something you are denying the fact that the holocaust happened like some sort of neo-nazi- see how little sense that makes. Stop making stuff up, it makes you look desperate.

3. I know you can't even phatom this, but for sake of argument, lets just say Zimmerman assaulted Treyvon first, the 17 year old, for argument sake only.

And imagine if Traylablononvaughwn has wings and could FLY!!! And lets say that Trayvaown was a highlander and since zimmerman did not cut off his head so travetyon SURVIVED- for arguments sake only.
I don't have to make up scenarios to prove a point.

4. Rape shield laws protect the victim ... its the same concept of you guys trying to smear treyvons reputation.

Nooooo..... Rape sheild laws are real laws with a victim. Trayvownghnawn was not a victim of anything besides his own poor decisions.

Saying I don't understand the law means nothing.

Yes, it means you have no idea what you are talking about.

1. Just your opinion. Nothing else.
2. What have I made up? I have posed scenarios and things we think could have happened. That is not the same as making things up. Its called piecing the puzzles together. What have I made up?
3. You also don't know how to have a conversation. You keep proving that.
4. Again, just your opinion. Nothing else.
5. Try addressing some of the real issues that have been made instead of just playing word games. Thats all zimmerman defenders can do is try and twist words and play word games, etc. You ignore questions and derail the conversation then get mad when we ask again.

Until you can answer the questions I have asked that are legitimate, our conversation is done. Its pointless for me to bring up real evidence and you to ignore it and smear Treyvon every chance you get. When you can keep focused and address actual topic and evidence then we can resume this conversation. Until then I will just consider you a troll who is out to bait this thread. You aren't interested in finding out what happened you are only interested in trying to justify why Treyvon deserved it.

Originally posted by popsmayhem

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
He resisted arrest with violence in a public bar. How is that not publicly displaying his 'information' ... its actually better proof than your twitter nonsense. How do you know Treyvons friend or brother didn't hack his account? their is no way to verify who sent tweets....my brothers like to take my phone and tweet like its me....its a thing people do these days...tweets mean nothing......A police record means something...I know not to you, but to the real world it does.

Thought the past did not matter?
Like treyvon stealing jewlery,
illegal drugs found on him,
numerous school suspensions,
amounts of cash unaccounted for,
obvious troubled past to point
to why he would not be the smarted
crayon, attacking an armed person..
Want to bring up the past and make things
up things about zimmerman that are not true.

edit on 5-4-2012 by popsmayhem because: (no reason given)

You are making accusations against a dead person that can't defend themselves...his past doesn't count whether you like it or not. zimmerman, since he supposedly 'chose' to live does not have that same right. Living people get some rights, dead people get some rights. Dead people can not be charged because they can't defend themselves.....so if you want to bring up Treyvons past you should blame Zimmerman for taking that chance away when he killed him. That is how it is.
I have not made on thing up about Zimmerman that was not true,,,,,you supporters of his complete innocence on the other hand have made up I don't know how many things that have turned out not to be true about treyvon. Don't' accuse me of making things up...like you made up 'Like treyvon stealing jewelry, '.....prove that was stolen jewelry. Until you can you are making things up.