Exclusive! First hand Witness: Trayvon Martin attacked Zimmerman Zimmerman Innocent Smoking Gun

Originally posted by LErickson
Why are you so worried about this guy not having to prove his innocence when you do not care one bit about the fact that Trayvon never got a fair trial and he was executed

That is how the justice system works.
No evidence of a crime no charges.
It is not mob rule black mailing people
by *rioting* if you do not get your way.
If the system does what it is suppose
to do and public opinion despite all evidence
tries to force the system to act unjust.
I see no proof or evidence that zimmerman
did not act in self defense. Treyvon attacking
zimmerman story has held up through all the lies
and bs the media has spun. Since that happen
treyvon decided his fate no one else.

Just as it's unfair to condemn Zimmerman at this time without the facts, it is also unfair to condemn Trayvon Martin as well. It's possible to build someone up or support them without denegrading another....Let's keep that in mind.

Now a new enhanced version of Zimmerman 911 call 'reveals he did NOT utter racial slur' before shooting unarmed black teen

www.dailymail.co.uk...

But now CNN has enhanced the audio further and concluded that the 28-year-old may have actually said 'f***ing cold' on the rainy night of the killing in February.

For those of you who are truly interested in finding out what happened in this case, here are some of my questions. I would be interested in hearing what you had to say.

If you are are one of the zimmerman could have never done it because 'he said so', his dad 'said so', his brother 'said so', his lawyer 'said so', this eye witness said this, so of course he is innocent and Treyvon was nothing but a thugged out house casing drug dealing gold teeth tattoo having piece of trash that you heard may have one time listened to tupac cuz you read it on twitter of course he deserved to be gunned down....then this post isn't for you. If you are one of those people we know your position about zimmermans complete innocence, we know why you think the way you do and any thing we say will be twisted or taken out of context or we will be attacked personally so there is no need at all for you to respond. There just isn't.

But for anyone else who may have questions or thoughts or opinions to add here are some of mine.

1. Why would Zimmerman ever need to get out and 'look for a street sign' for an address to give 911? That neighborhood is very small. It has 3 streets it looks like, and it may only possibly have 2 street names because of how the streets are set up. He was 'watch captain', wouldn't it make sense he knew the area?
2, At the end of his 911 call its established that the police will call him when they are in the area to find out where to meet him. If he was headed back to his truck, why would they need to call back to find him? He should have had time to get plenty away from the scene if he really was heading back to his truck. Also doesn't just the fact that he wants them to call him indicate that he was gonna continue to hunt for Treyvon?
3. If Treyvon did punch him in the nose and knock him down, why would he then get on the ground to pound him. Ive seen my fair share of youtube fight videos.....Its usually get them to the ground with the punch and then repeatedly kick and stomp them, not get on top. Also if Treyvon was this big huge thug wouldn't Zimmerman have been too disoriented to really do much else?
4. We all know Zimmermans nose was bleeding or it was in the police report. Supposedly that bloody nose came from Treyvon punching him...is there any of Zimmermans blood on Treyvon?
5. How is 'John' so certain that it was Zimmerman Screaming for help? The one thing everyone agrees on is it was dark. The 13 year old witness says there was 1 porch light on and no moonlight. It was raining so no moon is likely. So how was he so sure Zimmermans was in 'red' and on the bottom. Did John go out after the shooting and see Zimmerman. Like I said before its a small neighborhood. Is it possible that John and Zimmerman knew each other? Was John a part of neighborhood watch with Zimmerman.
6. On the 911 call from Zimmerman there is a point where you can hear 3 knocks on 2 occassions. It sounds like someone knocking on a door. Could Zimmerman be knocking on John's door?
7. Was Zimmerman's jacket zipped. This may make a difference. Zimmerman had a concealed carry weapon.permit. That means he can walk around with it concealed, not showing. So if his jacket was opened and the gun was exposed it seems that in and of itself could pose a deadly threat to Treyvon, thus allowing Treyvon to stand his ground and be legally allowed to strike Zimmerman because he 'reasonably believed his life was in danger of great bodily harm or death'....so I think it is very important to know where exactly his gun was concealed and was his jacket zipped when officers arrived and cuffed him. In the police video it is not zipped.
8. Why didn't anyone come out to help? No one knew Zimmerman had a gun. I know no one has the answer to that, but it says alot about our society that you can scream for you life and no one comes to help.
9. If there is no cover up why was Treyvon tagged as John Doe? The SPD had his cellphone and they knew who he was at 3 something that morning, yet they never tried to notify next of kin. The parents found out when they filed a missing person report the next day. Add on top of that the funeral director states that he could not collect the body for 3 days because he was STILL listed as a John Doe. Why is that. Was that buying time to cover something up?
10. When exaclty did Zimmerman call his father? What time did his father arrive to the station? Who did the father meet with? Is there CCV footage of their movements in the SPD? What other officials showed up to the SPD that night?
11. Its been reported that Treyvon asked zimmerman when approached 'do you have a problem?' zimmerman says 'no, i don't.....why if you had just called 911 on someone who you thought was suspicious, mostly like you thought they were a burglar, why wouldn't you say 'yes, i haven't seen you around here before, im george the neighborhood watch'. I mean that proves he is a liar....he did have a problem with Treyvon.

thats some of my questions

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Now a new enhanced version of Zimmerman 911 call 'reveals he did NOT utter racial slur' before shooting unarmed black teen

www.dailymail.co.uk...

But now CNN has enhanced the audio further and concluded that the 28-year-old may have actually said 'f***ing cold' on the rainy night of the killing in February.

LOL...well they should consult Zimmermans lawyers because he is reporting that Zimmerman said 'punks' ..

Lawyers: Zimmerman whispered 'punks' before shooting Trayvon Martin

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Now a new enhanced version of Zimmerman 911 call 'reveals he did NOT utter racial slur' before shooting unarmed black teen

www.dailymail.co.uk...

But now CNN has enhanced the audio further and concluded that the 28-year-old may have actually said 'f***ing cold' on the rainy night of the killing in February.

LOL...well they should consult Zimmermans lawyers because he is reporting that Zimmerman said 'punks' ..

Lawyers: Zimmerman whispered 'punks' before shooting Trayvon Martin

Your guess is as good as mine.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Now a new enhanced version of Zimmerman 911 call 'reveals he did NOT utter racial slur' before shooting unarmed black teen

www.dailymail.co.uk...

But now CNN has enhanced the audio further and concluded that the 28-year-old may have actually said 'f***ing cold' on the rainy night of the killing in February.

LOL...well they should consult Zimmermans lawyers because he is reporting that Zimmerman said 'punks' ..

Lawyers: Zimmerman whispered 'punks' before shooting Trayvon Martin

Your guess is as good as mine.

Well actually from what I heard when they were talking about this on one of the talks shows Zimmerman would be better off agreeing with the people who said he said 'cold'....

He's f'd if he said 'coon'....thats obvious.
If he said 'punks' .. I heard one lawyer/expert say that that would indicate his state of mind that he had already made presumptions about Treyvon and that state of mind could constitute him being the aggressor....

So as it looks now your experts are his best bet!

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Now a new enhanced version of Zimmerman 911 call 'reveals he did NOT utter racial slur' before shooting unarmed black teen

www.dailymail.co.uk...

But now CNN has enhanced the audio further and concluded that the 28-year-old may have actually said 'f***ing cold' on the rainy night of the killing in February.

Good catch.
Although anyone following this already knew
this just helps confirm. They could not keep
lying and getting away with it.

Originally posted by popsmayhem
Just more proof that treyvon ambushed him
like in the report that zimmerman said happened.

Because he rides horses?

If in peoples mind this makes treyvon not
able to fight then the only logical thing
for a weaker oponent to do is an ambush.

You are so convoluted. Everything you have said applies to both sides. If in people's minds Zimmerman was not able to fight the only logical thing for a weaker opponent to do when he realizes he is outmatched is whip out his gun and shoot. Typical pussy behavior. I love watching you men condone all this little girl bull#.

Originally posted by pizzanazi75
reply to post by cdesigns

 

LOL...could you cite the source this came from beside having found it on another thread?

The only source I can find from a site that appears to ran by David Duke, who is responding to an article by 'the wagist', whatever that is.

Are those your trusted sources? Those articles are nothing but smear the victim pieces by 'white civil liberties' groups....basically the same as 'The New Black Panthers'......

I wonder why the headline wasn't 'Was Zimmerman a Racist Profiler?'....why smear the victim?

Trayvon Martin: Swung at Bus Driver, Pot, Burglary Tools, Stolen(?) Jewelry
Was Trayvon Martin a Drug Dealer?

Oh come on you are not being fair. Just because the Zimmerman defenders are complaining about anything race related being involved, and then post things sourced to the KKK and a neo-Nazi group is no reason to point out the ignorance and hypocrisy. You might hurt their feelings and from what I can tell, these men do not deal well with confrontation.

If everyone is so worked up about racist actions,why aren't they worked up about the REACTIONS being racist also,?Im not just talking about the faces running their mouths,or those kitten idiots offering a reward or announcing their intention to kidnap an innocent man....what I am talking about are the attacks across the country with blacks attacking Whites while making racist references to saint trayvon.....where is the leadership of our president at a trying time such as this?

reply to post by pizzanazi75


Eh.. You could source me your timeline rather than being a smartass. The one I read was from a news source that said Zimmerman called about 7 and the shots were around 7:25.

Even if it was in a shorter time frame my scenario is completely viable and you only focused on the time frame because you wanted to deflect from the scenarios likelihood.

reply to post by pizzanazi75

Was Zimmerman's jacket zipped. This may make a difference. Zimmerman had a concealed carry weapon.permit. That means he can walk around with it concealed, not showing. So if his jacket was opened and the gun was exposed it seems that in and of itself could pose a deadly threat to Treyvon, thus allowing Treyvon to stand his ground and be legally allowed to strike Zimmerman because he 'reasonably believed his life was in danger of great bodily harm or death'..

Judging by this I don't think you understand what a concealed carriers license means. It doesn't mean it has to be concealed it means you CAN conceal it, seeing it would not justify Trayvon in attacking or standing his ground unless it was already pulled and aimed at him which is not what happened.

Its been reported that Treyvon asked zimmerman when approached 'do you have a problem?' zimmerman says 'no, i don't.....why if you had just called 911 on someone who you thought was suspicious, mostly like you thought they were a burglar, why wouldn't you say 'yes, i haven't seen you around here before, im george the neighborhood watch'. I mean that proves he is a liar....he did have a problem with Treyvon.

Get real, you know when someone says "do you have a problem" that that is not meant as a legit question but as aggressive posturing. It's like saying "wanna take this outside" and it doesn't prove Zimmerman a liar. I am done talking with you on this thread though because you have no interest in the real truth.

"Judging by this I don't think you understand what a concealed carriers license means. It doesn't mean it has to be concealed it means you CAN conceal it, seeing it would not justify Trayvon in attacking or standing his ground unless it was already pulled and aimed at him which is not what happened."........You are Correct.A CCW means you may carry a firearm concealed,,my state has no law,or restriction on carrying UNconcealed,it's dimply requires a "shall issue" permit if you wish to cover it,,,.it may seem just an argument in semantics but it's a very serious point of law

Originally posted by Homedawg
"Judging by this I don't think you understand what a concealed carriers license means. It doesn't mean it has to be concealed it means you CAN conceal it, seeing it would not justify Trayvon in attacking or standing his ground unless it was already pulled and aimed at him which is not what happened."........You are Correct.A CCW means you may carry a firearm concealed,,my state has no law,or restriction on carrying UNconcealed,it's dimply requires a "shall issue" permit if you wish to cover it,,,.it may seem just an argument in semantics but it's a very serious point of law

edit on 4/5/2012 by Homedawg because: Felt like it

On a dark night, in the rain, when you've experienced certain things in this crazy society, even if Zimmerman had a badge and uniform, I'd feel somewhat threatened. The fact that just a "regular dude" was "stalking" him, amplifies that on a huge scale.

IF the gun was out, I would say a preemptive strike was justified. But I'm not even decided on if it happened like that.

And who's to say that Zimmerman wasn't afraid of the dark, and already had his gun in his hand?

Situations like these are gonna lead to city officials putting cameras up ALL over the place for the alleged "protection of victims".. These situations are leading us to a society of MORe control and monitoring. I guarantee you a bunch of people are saying "there should have been cameras" and while I can agree to a certain extent, those cameras would be remote controlled and aimed in peoples windows half the time..

Either way, a kid is dead. Didn't even make it to 18.... Can't we all mourn that together? Regardless of race or situation?

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Now a new enhanced version of Zimmerman 911 call 'reveals he did NOT utter racial slur' before shooting unarmed black teen

www.dailymail.co.uk...

But now CNN has enhanced the audio further and concluded that the 28-year-old may have actually said 'f***ing cold' on the rainy night of the killing in February.

LOL...well they should consult Zimmermans lawyers because he is reporting that Zimmerman said 'punks' ..

Lawyers: Zimmerman whispered 'punks' before shooting Trayvon Martin

Your guess is as good as mine.

Well actually from what I heard when they were talking about this on one of the talks shows Zimmerman would be better off agreeing with the people who said he said 'cold'....

He's f'd if he said 'coon'....thats obvious.
If he said 'punks' .. I heard one lawyer/expert say that that would indicate his state of mind that he had already made presumptions about Treyvon and that state of mind could constitute him being the aggressor....

So as it looks now your experts are his best bet!

edit on 5-4-2012 by pizzanazi75 because: (no reason given)

Was it cold though? Is that credible as a statement? Rain isn't always cold. Its not a cold place either. He was wearing a thick jacket with a shirt underneath. He has been out of his car for a few moments. And we are expected to believe that he was swearing under his breath about the cold?

Doesn't sound credible to me. Thats the sort of thing people say when they open their front door and cold wind makes their nose freeze. This was florida. In the day it was quite warm if I recall.

Originally posted by spacedog1973

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Originally posted by Stormdancer777

Originally posted by pizzanazi75

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Now a new enhanced version of Zimmerman 911 call 'reveals he did NOT utter racial slur' before shooting unarmed black teen

www.dailymail.co.uk...

But now CNN has enhanced the audio further and concluded that the 28-year-old may have actually said 'f***ing cold' on the rainy night of the killing in February.

LOL...well they should consult Zimmermans lawyers because he is reporting that Zimmerman said 'punks' ..

Lawyers: Zimmerman whispered 'punks' before shooting Trayvon Martin

Your guess is as good as mine.

Well actually from what I heard when they were talking about this on one of the talks shows Zimmerman would be better off agreeing with the people who said he said 'cold'....

He's f'd if he said 'coon'....thats obvious.
If he said 'punks' .. I heard one lawyer/expert say that that would indicate his state of mind that he had already made presumptions about Treyvon and that state of mind could constitute him being the aggressor....

So as it looks now your experts are his best bet!

edit on 5-4-2012 by pizzanazi75 because: (no reason given)

Was it cold though? Is that credible as a statement? Rain isn't always cold. Its not a cold place either. He was wearing a thick jacket with a shirt underneath. He has been out of his car for a few moments. And we are expected to believe that he was swearing under his breath about the cold?

Doesn't sound credible to me. Thats the sort of thing people say when they open their front door and cold wind makes their nose freeze. This was florida. In the day it was quite warm if I recall.

edit on 6-4-2012 by spacedog1973 because: (no reason given)

i agree with you there....

as with 95% of this case, there is just NO TELLIN'..

Sadly (as I'm leaning towards the Tray Martin side) this case might get dismissed due to lack of evidence..

reply to post by spacedog1973


He UNDENIABLY said "punks."
If you listen with an open mind you can hear the "p" plain as day.
I have already covered the issue of if it was cold or not. I looked up the temperature for that night. I think the low was like 49-52? I don't remember, it's in this thread somewhere.So that may be cold for a Floridian especially with rain, but I am positive he said Punks and at first I thought it was coons. Absolutely no bias here. I started out thinking it was an unjustified racial murder just as the media portrayed it, I was the first person to rip on OP in this thread. I really think evidence suggests otherwise now.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by spacedog1973

 

He UNDENIABLY said "punks."
If you listen with an open mind you can hear the "p" plain as day.
I have already covered the issue of if it was cold or not. I looked up the temperature for that night. I think the low was like 49-52? I don't remember, it's in this thread somewhere.

edit on 6-4-2012 by GogoVicMorrow because: (no reason given)

If he said punks he profiled. Its not 'plain as day' obviously, since there is disagreement.

I should add, that by profiling, he escalated the situation in his own mind, based on no information. As for the racial aspect, its unknown as to why he decided to profile and refer to TM as a punk (If this is the word he used) as there was no indication of any activity for TM being a punk other than the way he looked.

I don't see what it matters as far as his 911 call goes. He could have been dropping N-bombs for all i care, that would not change the fact that he was assaulted.