"If I had a son, he'd look like Trayvon." - Obama. What the MSM isn't telling you.

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I'm not making a judgement either way until all the facts are released. That would just be stupid. I will say its tragic that a kid was shot and killed, regardless of whether or not he was committing a crime. I certainly don't believe the penalty for burglary is death!

Having a concealed weapons permit myself, I definitely have a few opinions on the subject. Myself, when I'm carrying I try to avoid people, places, and situations in which I may need to draw my weapon. In NY state, even with a "good shooting" outside the home, you still stand to lose everything you own defending yourself in a civil suit. Personally, I like my home and want to keep it mine. When I'm carrying I don't want to be a hero. That's not the point of carrying. I'm not going to go "look for trouble." If it finds me and I cannot escape or reasonably protect the people I'm with without pulling my weapon than yes, BANG BANG! You're dead.

Now there's a lot of people out there making comments on the fact that Zimmerman exceeded his scope of watch by interfering and engaging Trayvon. While I agree personally that he should not have engaged Trayvon, I do believe he was within his right as a citizen to interrupt what he perceived to be a crime in progress. Again, I don't agree but he thought he had reasonable suspicion to do so. The only reason I say this is based upon our law up here in New York State. (I don't know if Florida has similar laws).

Article 35: Penal Law: Defense of Justification.
Justification; use of physical force in defense of premises and in defense of a person in the course of burglary.

Any person may use physical force upon another person when he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate what he or she reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such other person of a crime involving damage to premises. Such person may use any degree of physical force, other than deadly physical force, which he or she reasonably believes to be necessary for such purpose, and may use deadly physical force if he or she reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate the commission or attempted commission of arson.

Justification; use of physical force to prevent or terminate larceny or criminal mischief.

A person may use physical force, other than deadly physical force, upon another person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes such to be necessary to prevent or terminate what he reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission by such other person of larceny or of criminal mischief with respect to property other than premises.

I think his use of physical force quickly degraded into deadly force. I myself would have avoided engaging this kid, especially since I had a weapon on me. I'm not going to shoot a kid over a break in, even if he was guilty of that (I'm not saying he was). Maybe Zimmerman did shoot him out of fear for his life; I'll give him that because I wasn't there. BUT, I think Zimmerman put himself in that position and he should be guilty of at least manslaughter. If I was volunteering for a neighborhood watch program, certainly being in a gated community, than I would carry mace or pepper spray, NOT my Glock.

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
reply to post by popsmayhem

 

Treyvon was the aggressor, in a stand your ground state if you feel your life is threatened you can stand your ground and meet it with deadly force if needed.

WRONG.

Zimmerman's lawyer: 'Stand your ground' doesn't apply in Trayvon Martin case

Even his lawyer isn't going with the "Stand your ground" defense.

That wasn't zimmermans lawyer that said that get your facts straight. It was a lawyer from the center that is investigating this case.

Thank you

Originally posted by popsmayhem
The bottom line here is zimmerman is innocent.

They have no case against him
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Zimmerman was acting in pure defense..

Treyvon was the aggressor, in a stand your ground
state if you feel your life is threatened you can
stand your ground and meet it with deadly force
if needed. By the screams of zimmerman on the 911 tapes
and the eye witness accounts of treyvon attacking
zimmerman first, zimmerman has every right
to defend himself and his community.

No... your wrong. Your picking comments and basing them as facts.

Dispatch told him to CEASE PURSUIT. He (Zimmerman) continued anyway. "Stand Your Ground" does not apply in this case. Period.

What proof do you have that Marin was the aggressor. If an armed man was following you around, would you not consider HIM the aggressor? Zimmerman was CLEARLY the aggressive party in this case.

How can you prove who the screams came from? You assume they are from Zimmerman. You don't "KNOW" they are.

Frankly the way I see it, MARTIN had every right to defend HIMSELF and attack Zimmerman. Martin was an unarmed kid walking through a neighborhood his father lived in at 8pm at night. Zimmerman was the armed thug chasing a kid down because he was black.

Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs
reply to post by Thunder heart woman

 

That's you. If I were on their reservation after hours I WOULD without a reasonable doubt get jumped just for being white. Don't trust me that's fine but its the truth. I wouldn't step foot on that land to save my life if I were alone. The indians here are mean.

That is interesting, being that on most reservations in this country, there are whites living there amongst Natives. Whites who own most of the businesses, and own most properties.

Anyway, I think you should stay home, and hole up there. Any race that is not yours, must scare the hell out of you. I'm sorry you live in such fear.

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That wasn't zimmermans lawyer that said that get your facts straight. It was a lawyer from the center that is investigating this case.

WRONG.

"In my legal opinion, that's not really applicable to this case. The statute on 'stand your ground' is primarily when you're in your house," said Craig Sonner, attorney for George Zimmerman.

Clearly your facts are not straight.

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Cosmic911.. good post. I agree with a lot of what you said. I would have thought at the very least this guy would have been held and his weapon taken until the merits of the case were dealt with. It seems he was just let go scott free.

However, the only "crime" that was in progress was that Martin was a black kid walking through a white neighborhood. He wasn't in the midst of breaking and entering. Or seen walking with stolen property, or assaulting a person in the neighborhood. He was just a black kid walking home from a store. Zimmerman was licensed to carry, and thought it made him have the same authority as a cop.

The whole point of Neighborhood Watch is to WATCH. Not to pursue.

What the OP does is show that the MSM, the Obama Administration, and other politicians, and groups with agendas will leave out very pertinent facts to create a cacophony of emotion that clouds out reality and pushes their political and social views and plans.
This is complete propaganda to once again use the black community to de-power the citizenry and make the federal government seem necessary to protect the poor pitiful black people. Not sure why many blacks fall for this and embrace the cult of perpetual victimhood. A lot of them don't (perhaps most),but many are either too weak, too easily manipulated, or already too dependent and know nothing else. People of all races under these conditions fall for the same propaganda. Due to unfortunate historical circumstances, the black population in the US is the obvious choice to use as a tool for empowering the elite with more centralized control.

This will also be used as a tool to try and destroy the 2nd Amendment. Something Democrat politicians hate. But really it is both parties destroying what they despise the most.Freedom.

If someone is coming at me in a threatening manner in a street situation and i am armed, they will be dead. And should be dead. Looks to me like poor precious Trayvon was not as sweet and innocent as is being portrayed and there appears ample evidence that his portrayal is far from the truth. Spare me your histrionics. Let's look at the hard facts of the case. If you take away the media spin, this is not nearly so cut and dry and the media's take and Obama's agit-prop even take on a sinister aspect.
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The bottom line here is zimmerman is innocent

The bottom line is there is not enough information available to the public to know the bottom line. To say you know the "bottom line" is a little half-cocked. Overly reacting. Like Zimmerman. One thing should be obvious to you, (although I realize I must simplify things as much as possible to one who uses "cuzz") is that this child was unarmed.

A grown man with a gun. A young kid with No gun, knife, or any weapon at all.

THAT is the bottom line.

Originally posted by Thunder heart woman

Originally posted by SonoraUndergroundLabs
reply to post by Thunder heart woman

 

That's you. If I were on their reservation after hours I WOULD without a reasonable doubt get jumped just for being white. Don't trust me that's fine but its the truth. I wouldn't step foot on that land to save my life if I were alone. The indians here are mean.

That is interesting, being that on most reservations in this country, there are whites living there amongst Natives. Whites who own most of the businesses, and own most properties.

Anyway, I think you should stay home, and hole up there. Any race that is not yours, must scare the hell out of
you. I'm sorry you live in such fear.

HAHAH wow please. Why would you think im scared of them or anyone? The greedy indians here built their casino here so that anyone who is mi wuk gets 5 grand just for being indian. Then if your on the board you get 15 grand just for that. And free housing medical electricity etc.. oh and they get this money every 2 weeks also so they have lots of money they took from people. So they are not Your tribe. They are a gang and would shoot me without justification either.

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One thing should be obvious to you, (although I realize I must simplify things as much as possible to one who uses "cuzz") is that this child was unarmed.

He was not unarmed. He had skittles and some iced tea. Clearly Martin was a danger that needed to be put down.

Originally posted by BellaSabre
Maybe Treyvon did hit him. You don't execute the death penalty because someone hits you. Last time I checked, assault is not punishable by death.

Not according to legal sentencing guidelines, but this didn't happen under controlled conditions or in a criminal court. Its a different story when you're actually being attacked, especially if you don't see it coming. He may well have felt his life was in danger.

And one thing I would add: I live in a small town. In my lifetime, I've turned on the evening news and heard about a local bar fight where one of the idiots in question was killed on the first punch. That's happened twice around here.

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The whole point is that no one had to die....Zimmerman was following this kid after being told not to....Zimmerman is not any kind of authorized law enforcement...he is simply a wannabe nieghborhood watch idiot....with a gun...he determined simply from watching someone that they were on drugs...that he was up to no good simply by walking thru the neighborhood...my uderstanding is he was staying at his fathers girlfriends house that owns property in the neighborhood. Zimmerman called the cops...if he just stayed in the car and waited for cops to arrive there never would have been any confrontation regardless of who the aggressor was...one man armed...one 140 pound kid unarmed...even if the kid did strike Zimmerman it does not authorize deadly force...simple really.