You Are What You Eat…….

reply to post by ottobot


Brain needs 100-130 grams of glucose a day, unless it can use ketones as fuel instead, and my body doesn't like ketosis.

I want to eat a completely raw vegan diet, because when all these people frolic about the interwebs saying how amazing and light and happy they feel on such a diet, I believe them.

All the things you listed either aren't raw, aren't easily obtainable in an organic (i.e. pesticide-less and grown in healthy soil) way, or do not contain anywhere near enough carbs to make 100+ grams of glucose a day.

Originally posted by elliotmtl
reply to post by ottobot

 

Brain needs 100-130 grams of glucose a day, unless it can use ketones as fuel instead, and my body doesn't like ketosis.

If you don't feel like you can handle ketosis, then do a modified version of a raw diet.

I want to eat a completely raw vegan diet, because when all these people frolic about the interwebs saying how amazing and light and happy they feel on such a diet, I believe them.

Well, I admire your idealism and faith in the success of others.

You need to realize that we don't all have the same body.

Your genetics are Your Genetics. Do what you need to do to feel great, and what you need to do for your body to work right.

I cannot exist on a raw vegan diet because I am naturally muscular and I use a lot of energy. I eat in a Paleo (foods that can be foraged or hunted, I cook my foods) way because my body responds the best to this type of eating.

It's not a diet, it's how my body works.

All the things you listed either aren't raw, aren't easily obtainable in an organic (i.e. pesticide-less and grown in healthy soil) way, or do not contain anywhere near enough carbs to make 100+ grams of glucose a day.

You've got some conflict between your first comments and this one. If other people can exist on a raw, vegan diet and still get that glucose intake, then you can do it however you need to.

The OP stated that this wasn't necessarily a "raw, vegan" diet thread. I am giving suggestions from a standpoint of someone who does not feel that a raw, vegan diet is necessarily a good thing for every single person in the world. Because, it's not.

Originally posted by ottobot
If you don't feel like you can handle ketosis, then do a modified version of a raw diet.

For a long time I thought raw sprouted grains were the answer...but every time I tried to eat them they simply wouldn't digest and wouldn't give me energy.

Well, I admire your idealism and faith in the success of others.
You need to realize that we don't all have the same body.

Yes, that's what I'm complaining about, lol. I'm jealous of other people's better bodies.

I cannot exist on a raw vegan diet because I am naturally muscular and I use a lot of energy. I eat in a Paleo (foods that can be foraged or hunted, I cook my foods) way because my body responds the best to this type of eating.

I am committed to being at least vegetarian for personal moral reasons, but I like the idea of the Paleo diet in theory and have no moral objections to others doing it...I keep cats so obviously I am not against the consumption of meat as a general principle

All the things you listed either aren't raw, aren't easily obtainable in an organic (i.e. pesticide-less and grown in healthy soil) way, or do not contain anywhere near enough carbs to make 100+ grams of glucose a day.

You've got some conflict between your first comments and this one. If other people can exist on a raw, vegan diet and still get that glucose intake, then you can do it however you need to.

What I'm saying is that people who can exist on a raw vegan diet must be either a) able to handle ketosis b) rich or c) have easy access to abundant cheap organic fruits (or somehow manage to not care about the organic part, which is a whole separate issue).

I'm not going to just go to the store and buy 2000 calories worth of random fruits. I would if I trusted the quality of the fruits, but I don't.

The only raw vegan sources of carbs are fruits and sprouts. Fruits are unobtainable to me and sprouts are undigestible (as well as unbelievably unpalatable lol) to me. So, the problem is simply that I need carbs and there are no raw vegan carbs for me.

The OP stated that this wasn't necessarily a "raw, vegan" diet thread. I am giving suggestions from a standpoint of someone who does not feel that a raw, vegan diet is necessarily a good thing for every single person in the world. Because, it's not.

Yes, I understand. I just felt like hijacking the thread to rant about this because the OP made eating healthy sound so darn glorious and easy.

reply to post by Realtruth

You Are What You Eat…….

Guess I must be Cheap, Fast, and Easy then.
Just kidding.
We are a family of 5, three adults and two school age boys. We like to eat fresh, health foods, grain fed meat, organic grown veggies. In Summer this is easy here, we have The Amish, who sell great fresh veggies at roadside stands, and they also provide for out local Kroger Store. I get meat from a Butcher who butchers only local grown, grain fed animals, and we eat little processed foods. We have found that we feel more healthy, have more vigor and stamina, and don't get sick as much as others do.

reply to post by elliotmtl


Well, elliotmtl, here are my suggestions to you:

- Become an organic farmer so you know the source of all of your food.
- Move to a farm co-op.
- Join a local co-op market or agricultural group.
- Purchase fruit from a farmer's market or fruit stands.
or
- Work with what you've got and try eating dried fruit if raw fruit is unavailable.

Surely you can find some way to do it. I don't know exactly what other people do to live on a raw/vegan diet, but you should ask them for assistance on the matter.

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
Ever tried eating meat (not bacon, that is salted already) without salt or other seasonings? Try it, it is flavourless.

No it isn't, and I wonder why people who say this say this, perhaps your tastebuds are broken or something mate?

I'm vegetarian but unseasoned meat is not tasteless, and anyone saying so is barking mad. Plain chicken, lamb and beef is delicious, even chicken without skin is great

Usually the people who peddle this myth have been raised on an excess of seasoning and spices and killed their tastebuds

It's the same with people saying European food is bland, it's only because they've nuked their own tastebuds with spices for all their life and they can't actually taste the subtleties of lightly seasoned or unseasoned foods

Originally posted by autowrench
We are a family of 5, three adults and two school age boys. We like to eat fresh, health foods, grain fed meat, organic grown veggies. In Summer this is easy here, we have The Amish, who sell great fresh veggies at roadside stands, and they also provide for out local Kroger Store. I get meat from a Butcher who butchers only local grown, grain fed animals, and we eat little processed foods. We have found that we feel more healthy, have more vigor and stamina, and don't get sick as much as others do.

You are very fortunate to have these resource so close by. I have noticed more people watching what they are buying and Amish grown meats and veggies are huge business these days.

I too live near the Amish, so buying directly is possible. Many rural co-ops and one of the US's largest locally grown produce markets, every Saturday in the city of Detroit, so things are not that bad in Michigan.

The main reason I posted this thread was I sometimes get off track, and revert to "the gambler" way of eating and it really throws me for a loop, until I wean myself back to a more balanced diet.

Thanks for the input AW

reply to post by JailTales

Well, perhaps flavourless was the wrong word but I know beef doesn't taste very nice without salt. This is why most processed meats already contain it among other things. Poultry is a little different but can still be quite bland when eating mass produced birds.

I can assure you I am not barking mad as I have the certificates to prove it and my tastebuds are working quite well. Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to tell anyone what to eat, I used to love meat until I saw things that made me cry like a baby. Bacon smells great and is hard to resist but fortunately they don't have good bacon in supermarkets here. I don't miss the rest at all much and meat replacement products (see, in my head I'm still a carnivore) work well for me. I can't just sit and eat a plate of cabbage, for want of a better analogy. Herbs and spices make most things pleasant to eat for me, but being an Englisman, our national dish is more or less Indian food. And kebabs.

Originally posted by autowrench
n Summer this is easy here, we have The Amish, who sell great fresh veggies at roadside stands, and they also provide for out local Kroger Store. I get meat from a Butcher who butchers only local grown, grain fed animals, and we eat little processed foods. We have found that we feel more healthy, have more vigor and stamina, and don't get sick as much as others do.

That's really great, I would love for everyone to have access to the same type of food commodities.

Originally posted by elliotmtl
It is impossible to get enough carbohydrates on a raw vegan diet without having access to fresh organic fruits and being rich enough to afford them. Some people can live without a lot of carbohydrates but I can't. I've been trying for years to adopt such a diet, sometimes for weeks at a time, but it never works. Lack of carbohydrates just makes me depressed and lethargic and irritable to an almost psychotic extent.

Testimonies like the ones in this thread depress me because it's just not that easy for everyone.

Want carbs? eat carrots. Cheap and full of carbs. Drink carrot juice.

Originally posted by rwfresh
Want carbs? eat carrots. Cheap and full of carbs. Drink carrot juice.

lol. My point exactly. A pound bag of carrots contains about 32 grams of non-fiber carbs. So you'd need 3 bags a day to get to almost 100 grams of carbs, let's be nice and say the rest of the 130 grams come from other sources, let's be more nice and say a pound bag of organic carrots only costs $3 at walmart, that's still $270 a month. That's almost my entire food budget spend on just getting sufficient carbs. That's ridiculous and impossible. Also it would take forever to actually eat that many carrots; or if you were juicing them that would be a ton of wasted pulp. Not only financially unfeasible but completely impractical. I want to be healthy and spend less time focusing on food, not more.

reply to post by LightSpeedDriver

Well, perhaps flavourless was the wrong word but I know beef doesn't taste very nice without salt.

Oh, not just salt, pepper too, and a lot of other spices keep the stomach ulcers away. We eat our food hot and spicy, most everything. Thankfully, my son is trained, like me, we can cook over an open fire in the woods and make it taste great, we have hunting skills, and lots of other skills that would play in a SHTF scenario.

reply to post by Realtruth


Don't water it down and make no apologies. Let food be thy medicine!

So much of what people eat on a regular basis is nothing less than poison. Sure it may not be lethal in the immediate dose. But it is literal poison without a doubt. 90% of what is in a grocery store is full of absolute garbage and that includes the fruit and veg isles.

Eating "well" is an easy way, and the first way for many to literally charge up their "will power". Will power is like a muscle. Exercising it strengthens it. Putting garbage into your system works to destroy your will in a couple of ways. First it physically makes you weak. Second, when you feel weak you must submit yourself to the idea that outside forces are in control because why would you make yourself feel crappy? The universe must be doing it to you. The effect is slow death and so you associate with that death that consumes you.

Ever notice that the worst foods have the most powerful marketing behind them? Why is that? Because no one would eat them or drink them otherwise. If you were forced to choose food based on how it made you feel, how much usable energy and health benefit it had you would not eat poison. But here in conspiracy world we know that outside forces look to control rather than empower. The "health" food in stores is some of the absolute WORST garbage. Take for instance the surging popularity of Gatorade. It is poison. Do not drink it. It's sold as some kind of perverse health/sports drink hahahaha.

People are under a spell to eat garbage and destroy themselves. You better believe malevolent forces package up poison and sell it as food and drink for malevolent reasons. They aren't selling this poison garbage to empower you or make you feel better.

I also directly challenge anyone to force themselves to eat only organic vegetable (minimal fruit) diet and truly clean/pure water for 1 month and tell me they don't feel better. Sure, like a drug addict you may choose death over responsibility of life.. If after a month you are still driven to seek out and eat and drink garbage food you should consider yourself "possessed" for lack of a better word and seek out an exorcism through fasting, meditation etc.

Enough of the doom and gloom. On the good side.. eating well will give you amazing health and amazing power. Yes those around you that are poisoned and mind controlled will want to pull you back into the hole of death hahahaha. But eating well and resisting poison will actually make it easier to help pull them out.

The real secret of food is YOU and not the food. But to live in that reality you must have the experience of knowing your own power over what you consume. The real secret is doing what you love. If you consume with Love, Love will consume you. Eating poison does not inspire a feeling of Love.. it inspires a feeling of low energy (death and fear). So eating well is an easy practice of recognizing and loving yourself. When you get over the material world and consume only what you Love, which is Love, the material world will not effect your health. But until then treat yourself right and feed yourself health and vitality.

reply to post by Realtruth


oh god... that means.. I'm a human

(get it?) lol jk. Interesting topic though. I'm going to keep an eye on this one

Originally posted by elliotmtl

Originally posted by rwfresh
Want carbs? eat carrots. Cheap and full of carbs. Drink carrot juice.

lol. My point exactly. A pound bag of carrots contains about 32 grams of non-fiber carbs. So you'd need 3 bags a day to get to almost 100 grams of carbs, let's be nice and say the rest of the 130 grams come from other sources, let's be more nice and say a pound bag of organic carrots only costs $3 at walmart, that's still $270 a month. That's almost my entire food budget spend on just getting sufficient carbs. That's ridiculous and impossible. Also it would take forever to actually eat that many carrots; or if you were juicing them that would be a ton of wasted pulp. Not only financially unfeasible but completely impractical. I want to be healthy and spend less time focusing on food, not more.

hahah seems like you are spending a lot of time coming up with reasons why healthy things aren't good for you.

Stop believing your own crap. It makes no sense. Chances are you are overweight and addicted to carbs. Addiction to something doesn't mean you actually NEED it to be healthy. It's the opposite.

I challenge you to spend your entire 270 for ONE month on only carrots. eat them and juice them for the month and let me know how you feel.

Buy some apples if you have to.

Everybody's bodies are different, so different foods are going to affect them in different ways. If that makes any sense.

I say eat what makes you feel good. If you feel good then your "vibrational state" will be good as well.

Personally, I like to eat fish sandwiches.......what does that say about me?

Originally posted by rwfresh
hahah seems like you are spending a lot of time coming up with reasons why healthy things aren't good for you.

Stop believing your own crap. It makes no sense.

Disregarding the shocking rudeness, I will simply ask, what about simple math and science makes no sense? It's a fact that the brain needs 100-130 grams of glucose a day, and if it doesn't get it, must substitute ketones for energy. As I have had little success trying to achieve ketosis, the only alternative is to get those 130 carbs from somewhere. You suggested carrots. I indicated how carrots are not a practical source of those carbs.

Chances are you are overweight and addicted to carbs. Addiction to something doesn't mean you actually NEED it to be healthy. It's the opposite.

I'm very mildly overweight from a technical standpoint, but perfectly within normal tolerances, most Americans would say I'm skinny.

And, addicted to carbs? I posit that you are addicted to oxygen!

I challenge you to spend your entire 270 for ONE month on only carrots. eat them and juice them for the month and let me know how you feel.

I may very well do something like that someday, but at the moment I feel like I've done entirely too much experimentation for one, if not several lifetimes.

Also there is the inconvenient fact that I cannot afford to spend any significant amount of time (more than 2 days!) in any sort of debilitating "detox" condition...I need my brain to do my job. And as my job involves dealing with customers I can't be too irritable either.

Just trying to be a voice for the common(ish) man who does not have $1000 a month to spend juicing organic fruits and vegetables, or a month of free time to sit around and detox on a juice fast.

Originally posted by LightSpeedDriver
reply to post by JailTales

 

Well, perhaps flavourless was the wrong word but I know beef doesn't taste very nice without salt. This is why most processed meats already contain it among other things. Poultry is a little different but can still be quite bland when eating mass produced birds.

I can assure you I am not barking mad as I have the certificates to prove it and my tastebuds are working quite well.

Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to tell anyone what to eat, I used to love meat until I saw things that made me cry like a baby. Bacon smells great and is hard to resist but fortunately they don't have good bacon in supermarkets here. I don't miss the rest at all much and meat replacement products (see, in my head I'm still a carnivore) work well for me. I can't just sit and eat a plate of cabbage, for want of a better analogy. Herbs and spices make most things pleasant to eat for me, but being an Englisman, our national dish is more or less Indian food. And kebabs.

I disagree still, beef tastes just fine without salt. It's a myth that non-seasoned meat is practically inedible. I've ate plenty of unseasoned meat, of all kinds. Seasoning makes it better, don't get me wrong, but still, animal flesh tastes nice *shrugs*

Maybe my omnivore genes are stronger than yours

All I've eaten all day was a bag of Skittles.

Please tell me you were joking about us being what we eat...

Originally posted by elliotmtl

Originally posted by rwfresh
Want carbs? eat carrots. Cheap and full of carbs. Drink carrot juice.

lol. My point exactly. A pound bag of carrots contains about 32 grams of non-fiber carbs. So you'd need 3 bags a day to get to almost 100 grams of carbs, let's be nice and say the rest of the 130 grams come from other sources, let's be more nice and say a pound bag of organic carrots only costs $3 at walmart, that's still $270 a month. That's almost my entire food budget spend on just getting sufficient carbs. That's ridiculous and impossible. Also it would take forever to actually eat that many carrots; or if you were juicing them that would be a ton of wasted pulp. Not only financially unfeasible but completely impractical. I want to be healthy and spend less time focusing on food, not more.

So, how do you currently eat?

Also, why do you not have your own garden?