Vegetarians vs. meat-eaters: Standoff is over

One day they will figure out that the worst thing for people is telling them that whatever they like is bad for them.

Then they will figure out that the cause of death is life.

The standoff will be over when you decide for it to end. I have never heard a meat eater prompt a debate on the pros of eating meat without first being prompted. The only reason this is such an issue is because vegans desire to make it as such. I personally don't care if you only eat vegetables. I hope it makes you happy, but it seems to be a religious cause for you; much in the way atheists get called on to preach the gospel.

Now that that is over.

Very informative thread. It was actually a very enjoyable read. Just remember to try and be less pretentious when dealing with meat eaters from now on.

Originally posted by Chadwickus
reply to post by purplemer

 

No worries.

I just know of many self righteous individuals who, whilst ironically drinking wine, claiming how they're morally superior because they're vegetarian/vegan.

As someone who's worked in the wine industry, I know that whatever is hanging out in the vines during harvest ends up in the wine.

Unless it's hand picked of course....


That statement, strangely enough, did not put me off of drinking wine. The OP's post also did not put me off of enjoying a steak with said wine.

That steak on your pate, used to be a vegetarian...

If mankind was meant to eat meat then why do we not have the long incisors that carnivorous animals have to rip the flesh and meat from its prey?

If mankind was meant to eat meat then why is it we must cook it whereas carnivorous animals do not do this.


If mankind was meant to eat meat then why do we not have the claws to take our prey down but must rely on tools to do our bidding unlike true carnivorous animals do.



The answer is plain to see to those who choose to see it.

The problem with most vegetarians (Such as the OP) is that they don't consider their eating habits as a life choice but rather they stand as warriors in a great war against us omniverous folk. We don't care. I fish, I hunt, I've seen the videos. I like meat and I will literally kill for it. I like plants too, but I'm not going to make my diet consist of them entirely.

Stop this war against us and just enjoy your own life. You're not going to get anywhere by just looking down on every omniverous person with a condescending attitude.

Originally posted by ventian
The standoff will be over when you decide for it to end. I have never heard a meat eater prompt a debate on the pros of eating meat without first being prompted. The only reason this is such an issue is because vegans desire to make it as such. I personally don't care if you only eat vegetables. I hope it makes you happy, but it seems to be a religious cause for you; much in the way atheists get called on to preach the gospel.

Now that that is over.

Very informative thread. It was actually a very enjoyable read. Just remember to try and be less pretentious when dealing with meat eaters from now on.

Well that is one way of looking at it but it works both ways
To label all vegans with a broad brush stroke as you describe is as valid as doing the same with meat eaters.
I agree with you in essence though that it is personal choice.
When I have worked on building sites or in offices I never push any agenda - quite the opposite
Yet sometimes circumstances bring out things for example - Hey want a bacon butty artistpoet - Thanks but no I don't eat bacon - Then I am either ridiculed in an undermining fashion or questioned as to why out of interest.
I mostly find these days that my diet is accepted - I usually never think twice about it or question meat eaters.
But if under attack naturally like most - I stand my ground.
Also I am prepared to explain to a vegetarian why I do not want to eat certain vegetable based products
Hell we all have a tongue to express our selves with - I see nothing wrong in discussion but yes forcing one's prejudices on another is a no no
So it works both ways you see.

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I've done similar. What's the taboo? They are probably the sort of people that can't face the reality themselves.
Unless of course they are worried about some maniac causing their kids to have nightmares. Nah.
I personally think the subject of food production should be part of the curriculum; I would bet that you'd see a reduction in meat sales.

Sheesh. Why does it seem that everything in this world has to be 'labeled' and put on opposing sides? Meat-eaters/vegans, atheists/religious, conservative/liberal, communist/capitalist, warmongers/pacifists... Why don't we all just try to get along for once? So what some people love their bacon and their steak and big fat sausages? So what if others love their tofu and their bean sprouts and carrots? SO WHAT? It seems to me we humans just LOVE to find new ways to divide and condemn each other to feel superior and special for whatever new moronic reason we come up with. And we want full disclosure of extraterrestrials by the governments. Give me a break.

Someone once said "Dam the torpedoes, full speed ahead."

The above is most apt in this argument. Eating Veggies or eating meat is generally a choice. I happen to be a meat eater, and am at 65 still waiting for Cancer, or heart disease or whatever else the Vegan doom-sayers like to espouse. I do have spinal problems, but they were caused by very hard work, work that I probably couldn't have accomplished if I had eaten just veggies and fruit.

Speaking of fruit. That stuff is poison. I hate it and don't eat the stuff. In fact the sugars in fruit help to feed Cancers. But they never bothered to mention that in the study, even though it is a fact known to the AMA.

That said if you prefer veggies over meat. Go for it, I've no objection. Just leave me and my red meat alone.

Originally posted by AZsunshine
If mankind was meant to eat meat then why do we not have the long incisors that carnivorous animals have to rip the flesh and meat from its prey?

If mankind was meant to eat meat then why is it we must cook it whereas carnivorous animals do not do this.


If mankind was meant to eat meat then why do we not have the claws to take our prey down but must rely on tools to do our bidding unlike true carnivorous animals do.



The answer is plain to see to those who choose to see it.

Do you therefore think that mankind was meant to sit typing at keyboards? Or does the irony of choosing selective technology escape you?

I definitely stand by each to their own.

Originally posted by ventian
I have never heard a meat eater prompt a debate on the pros of eating meat without first being prompted.

True, that does often seem to be the case on this site; But in my case, I generally get baited by meat eaters and told how wrong I am, and to be fair, it is usually at work where I don't often mix with the broadest minded people - they try to enlighten me with their obviously superior knowledge which they themselves have garnered from a jizz mag or a tv soap opera. Must be all the Fluoride and Aspartame they ingest while watching X-Factor.

There is nothing unhealthy about eating meat, unless meat is ALL you eat. Man is an OMNIVORE and at the top of the food chain. Imagine how much it would suck if we were somewhere in the middle of the food chain. The main problem with meat is COMMERCIAL BEEF. That stuff is so full of antibiotics, steroids, BGH, pesticides, and who knows what else. We hunt and consume deer, elk, game birds and bison. THESE meats are the best for you. In fact, if the expansionism west during the 1800's hadn't wiped out most of the bison and the greedy rich cattlemen hadn't drove their cattle herds west, we would all be eating bison today (and be much healthier) as it would be readily available in the stores and affordable. The other key to being healthy is to consume LOTS of garlic with your meals. Garlic keeps the bad cholesterol from clogging your arteries, helps with digestion, and wards off many types of cancer, plus it tastes great! Eat EVERYTHING in a well balanced diet, not only meat or exclusively veggies, and you will be much healthier than most.

red meat may cause cancer, so chicken and fish are still fair game right?

I bet 90% of vegans are eating GMO veggies full of pesticides washed down with some flouride water too, which is just as harmful.

and about this picture:

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by reficul

 

edit on 20-3-2012 by purplemer because: (no reason given)

it says humans have no sharp front teeth? are you kidding me? have you ever looked in the mirror?


I dont really care who eats what just dont try to push your ways on everyone else, a lot of vegans I know need multivitamins or they start having problems, and its hard to get anywhere near the appropriate protein needed without eating nuts all day which never works out to well, or soy if you want to be a male full of estrogen.

ill stick to my omnivore diet like a normal human.

It isn't the length of life but the quality of life that matters....vegetarians surely have a higher quality life. Mayb a few exceptions like veggie hit_ler but I do assert that veggie only people have a 'lite' life.

Originally posted by rickymouse
Nobody is going to make me inferior for eating meat. Try all you want. Taking a life is acceptable if you respect it, using all parts of the animal is best if it has given it's life for us. I often wonder why I do not know even one vegetarian that is really old. I suppose it's because they eat so many natural Cox 2 inhibitors.

does 96 count as "old"

en.wikipedia.org...

I would never kill an living and eat it's meat or their egg which has the capacity to form a new living being even if it increased my lifespan. People say that animals are less intelligent just because humans can do many things which they perceive as advanced than animals. There is no necessity of killing another living thing to satisfy your taste buds when you can live on vegetables. I agree that eating meat helped our civilization grow but are you still a savage living in a cave? I never understand people who eat meat and have a pet whom they love. Love one animal just because it looks cute and then cut another animal to eat?

And even if you love eating meat, just research on how the processed meat you eat is made.

reply to post by purplemer


So because you found a table in a biology book which pushes forward your agenda, you think it's right to dictate to people whether they should eat meat or not, right?

There was a guy back in the 40s who dictated that because people had specific facial features they should be gassed.

Both of you are fascists. Good game, epic fail *golf clap*

And yes I do love making those kind of blatant cut and dry analogies in front of people making blatant cut and dry analogies.

*smirk*

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Originally posted by purplemer

Until recently, due to the lack of quality statistical studies, too great of a role in the great debate between vegetarians and meat eaters was played by a rhetorical component. A large-scale study involving 120,000 people showed that consumption of red meat significantly reduces life expectancy. The position of v

www.trueactivist.com...

Studies like this are well overdue. It has long been the common consensus among vegetarians that its more healthy not to eat meat but evidence was scant.

Eating meat in my opinion is an act of bullying against animals. It is puts a big strain on our biosphere. We can feed a lot more people with less land on vegetables...

Maybe one day you will get labels on meat products like you do on cigarettes... Warning may cause cancer..

In a survival situation, you will die if you do not consume animal meat... we are predators, we are carnivores... I do not need a biased vegans studies about how animals have rights... yes they have rights, but that's not the issue... the issue is: Are Humans Vegetarians, or Carnivores?

Lets focus on ALL (every single) current primitive society... from the Amazon, to Africans, to Kalahari Bushmen, to Natives running around naked in the Spice Islands and New Guinea... The BIGGEST thing for them, is HUNTING... Why? Because we are Carnivores... without meat we die.

Sure if you study the human body and feed it nothing but complexes of vitamins, minerals, nutrients all derived from plants and organics... SURE you'll live longer, but that's NOT the point... because that's NOT natural and IMPOSSIBLE to follow.

If I get a Cougar, and feed it in a test tube environment, and it survives, and thrives off organic vegetable proteins, does that give me the right to claim it's a definitive vegetarian animal simply confused about what it should eat? If you say no, then your stance on vegetarianism and reality are very foggy. Vegetarianism is a CHOICE, however it is not natural, and definitely not healthier unless you can somehow calculate all nutrients entering and exiting the body, expenditures of energy vs. intake.

Even then, whey protein is derived from cows... and I'm sure you'd get the same results using proteins derived from animal fats and tissue... I'm almost 110% positive.

Hardcore vegetarians will always have these biased opinions... And although there is truth to them, just because something is true, doesn't mean it's right. Many things can equate to being True, but still do not equate to being equally true to one another, in fact they can contradict eachother.

That's just the way things work.

Some of these preachy veggie-heads are almost as bad as the johevah's witness that comes to my door every weekend. Here's an article that states...

75% of vegetarians eventually return to eating meat with 9 years being the average length of time of abstinence. The most common reason former vegetarians cited as the reason they returned to meat was declining health.

www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com...

And as far as the people who are vegans or vegetarians because of some high moral stance, how many animals and insects do you think are displaced and/or killed when their habitats are destroyed for farmland? How about all the animals and insects that are again displaced or killed when those same fields are then harvested every year? And lets not forget the studies that have been done on just how "aware" plants are.

We're omnivores, it's as obvious as night and day. You don't want to eat meat? Fine, just don't be so preachy about it and try to climb down off that high horse. I think it's safe to say that the majority of people know that red or processed meat is bad for them, just like we all know cigarettes are bad. I know not all veggie-heads are militant like the ones that give them a bad name, but to those that are....give it a rest, you will NEVER EVER make the world vegan.