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Originally posted by Aim64C
What is the goal of OWS? What will it take for the movement to have completed its purpose? Under what conditions will they consider it no longer necessary to protest?
The right has come out against OWS as a monolithic bloc from the get go.
They all think exactly the same, but we're the ones who are pawns, yea whatever
And that is why OWS will never accomplish anything other than giving a few douchebags some power. The people don't want to be "normal." They don't want to find a way to go home and live in peace with family and friends.
How many times has this been posted on this website?
This is why the OWS movement is looked at like a joke. There is an extreme disconnect between the "objective" (vague as it is) and the actions they are taking.
Originally posted by Aim64C
Most of the cases I've seen fall mostly on the shoulders of OWS. In some cases - police response has been unnecessarily intense - but most of it was initiated and perpetuated by OWS members who like to think the Constitution gives them the right to do whatever they want, wherever they want (because the State, County/City, and its laws don't exist in their mind).
To be really honest here...and I am aware that Kali won't like me saying this...the Constitution in specific terms, probably isn't in the minds of most Occupiers.
Originally posted by Kali74
reply to post by Aim64C
You keep attacking my maturity with immature statements, go figure. You've not demonstrated once in any of the post I've seen of yours attacking Occupy, an admirable amount of maturity nor a statement that doesn't sound like it's on it's umpteenth regurgitation originating with Bill O'Reilly.
What you (along with many others here) have clearly failed to do is check out various Occupy sources.
Some might actually consider a repeal of a number of the laws that were recently added to the books, as a start. You know; like the NDAA, and the other stuff allowing Obama to seize control of literally anything in the country whenever he feels like it. You mentioned to Kali that she doesn't understand how America works; is having a fiat dictator in the Executive Branch, your idea of how it does?
You can keep viewing Occupy as a bunch of filthy hippy scum
I would try to realise that the situation that Occupy are in, actually has more in common with what conservatives are also experiencing, than you might think.
I saw a lecture from Andrew Breitbart not long before he died. He mentioned that the authorities had at times tried to shut down the Tea Parties with exactly the same BS sanitation pretext that they used at Zucotti Park.
Obama is no more a friend of conservatives than he is anyone else's.
You think sleeping in tents and living with the constant threat of being hospitalised by psychopathic police is fun, do you? Maybe you should try it yourself for a couple of days; you might be less inclined to trivialise it.
There's a war on, in case you hadn't noticed; and I'm not talking about any of the ones overseas here, either.
If you think that is an exaggeration, go and look up the laws that have been passed by the legislative branch since January, beginning with the NDAA. Obama has demonstrated that he knows damn well what is going on, even if you don't.
I'm equally sure that they will do that; just as soon as they know that they've removed the risk of being dragged out of their homes and transported to a FEMA camp for processing on a random evening.
What you (along with many others here) have clearly failed to do is check out various Occupy sources. If you had, agree with them or not, you would see there's more to it than street protests...a lot more. You would also see that there is a very apparent attempt at suppressing the movement, and that should worry all Americans, in my opinion.
There's really not a disconnect at all, think about it. We want the People to have a say in our government, currently we really don't...at least not enough. Also there's a need for transparency, this movement needs to happen on the streets, in the public eye.
So it's useless drivel, why, because you say so?
I read where you said you're all into the constitution and rights, but....
You're just not into people being dumb enough to try to actually exercise those rights, especially for something that you don't agree with.
Even if they do, it's an exercise in futility because you say so.
Originally posted by Aim64C
And how does OWS make this proposed repeal of laws possible?
Where is the legislation they are drafting and petitioning to introduce?
You can keep viewing Occupy as a bunch of filthy hippy scum
I called them stupid. At least get my generalized insult correct.
You're focused on this "evil police state" idea.
Remember the crazy physicist from Patch Adams? "How many fingers am I holding up?" - You're focused on the problem. Not the solution.
Of course, one must beg the question... why camp in the park to begin with? I have a thing called housing.
There's a war on, in case you hadn't noticed; and I'm not talking about any of the ones overseas here, either.
A war, huh?
You shouldn't use that term so lightly.
Because Obama drafts laws and passes them through congress.
The military is, per capita, more densely populated by anarchists and libertarians than any other demographic out there.
While you were busy making fart-noises with your arm pit, I was in a class of "smart" kids where we discussed solving such simple problems as catch-22 legal issues with organ donation, world hunger, transportation energy needs, etc.
Originally posted by Aim64C
While you were busy making fart-noises with your arm pit, I was in a class of "smart" kids where we discussed solving such simple problems as catch-22 legal issues with organ donation, world hunger, transportation energy needs, etc.
While you were busy making fart-noises with your arm pit, I was in a class of "smart" kids where we discussed solving such simple problems as catch-22 legal issues with organ donation, world hunger, transportation energy needs, etc. Yes. Because I said so. I also followed through with reflexive questions that any mission statement should be able to answer or provide in the form of policy
Still, no productivity out of it.
Attempting to work with the system, has been demonstrated not to work at this point.
The NDAA had three dissenting votes cast on its' passage. That's how many members of Congress aren't on the corporate take.
I agree with you that protest isn't the most effective means of bringing about change, however...Kali and I have had that argument, as mentioned.
LOL. Your honesty is appreciated.
This is amusing.
We'll have to look forward to when the police start actually killing people...which rest assured, is coming...so that when that starts to happen, the use of such terms will no longer seem quite so frivolous on my part.
You honestly wouldn't know it, from reading this forum.
i think you are being willfully ignorant of the facts in this case,
one large part of OWS is the call for LOCAL money being kept locally and put to use for the people in the state where the money originates,
Earlier today we wrote of what appeared to be an Occupy Wall Street-related bank boycott planned for November 5th. We've spoken to Kristen Christian, the 27-year-old creator of the event, who has clarified some things. For one, it's not an Occupy Wall Street-organized event, though members of the Occupied movement support the idea and are planning to join in. Further, it's not an effort based in anarchy, or an event that Christian hopes will cause an economic crisis (any more than the one we're already in). "It's not people taking their money and burying it under their mattress. It's shifting the money to a company people respect the practices of.
what have you done to fix this problem? complain about those who try?