Welcome to the American Spring

reply to post by TheBlackManIsGod7


As much as I would like to think you are wrong, the cynic in me kinda agrees with you. The tipping point will be this spring without a doubt and we'll see if anything changes (real changes) or if it is business as usual. Simple numbers indicate that if enough people gather and stay focused throughout that change is unavoidable. However, there will be attacks from all sides - media, right wing, government and talking heads which will confuse and divide people on the subject (look to this site as proof).

If peaceful means are eliminated by the opposing side and no changes happen then they are forcing the hand of chance and violence is a very real possibility. As for revolution, at this stage I think the populace still has food and shelter and that is a deterrent to any violent revolution. Once that gets taken away and no real answer is in sight then true change is inevitable.

reply to post by NoHierarchy

Not! All they've done is smoke weed in the park, rape women, and expose themselves to kids. Until I see a CEO bloody on the streets in front of his/her house, OWS is a failure.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Its my opinion the baby boomer generation have lead us to this place, there fear and welcoming of a police state will not be tolerated by the younger generations.

Go kids!!! fix what your parents have broken!!!!

The baby boomers may have broken the system, as you put it, but at least they have an education and can build sentences with proper grammar.

It's a sad state of affairs when the current generation going through high school and university have more access to information than any generation in history, and are the most poorly educated students that have ever graduated.

reply to post by navy_vet_stg3


The same accusations, some rooted in reality but much overblown, was used against the greater movements in the 60's. Whatever smear tactics used was not enough to calm the storm which led to massive changes. Personally I think we have those "dirty hippies" (among other equally important groups) to thank for it and IMO our country is better because of those changes.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

All I know is what I saw in my own hometown. They stood across the street from a Walmart Distribution Center and protested. I know a couple of people that work there, and they certainly aren't part of the "1%". The protesters stood in the street, harassed the workers, etc. Why? Because the workers want to earn a paycheck? I'm not buying the logic of this group, sorry. If they have a problem with the 1%, then deal with the 1%, not the average Joe trying to keep a roof over his family's head.

reply to post by LDragonFire


Hey, I'm a baby boomer, and I'm in the same boat as you. All I've ever done is work and try to support my family. I don't have anything, except debt, and it looks like that's all I'll ever have that they let me keep. Don't blame it on baby boomers, but on the 1%. They can come from any generation. My son has a good friend from school who is one. A big bank exec who pulls in the fat bonuses etc... he's no baby boomer!

reply to post by navy_vet_stg3


If they harassed the workers then they have no clue what they are protesting. And I agree in that circumstance they were clueless. It's like the people that protested the soldiers coming home from vietnam (draftees); right anger, wrong target. I agree 100% with your point in that instance.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

As I with yours as well. Misguided protests serve no purpose except to hurt whatever cause the protesters are protesting. It would be like me yelling and throwing stuff at the police because my boss makes more than me. Misguided...and I'm gonna get tazed. It's as absurd as TSA checking the little kid in the wheelchair.

reply to post by navy_vet_stg3


Right on brother.

People have more in common than they think, most of all we are all human and humans make mistakes. One thing is for sure and that is something is obviously very wrong in our country, I just hope people can get past petty differences and band together to remedy real issues.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms

Me too. It sure would be nice if the Tea Party and the Occupy people could find common ground and kick some butt.

reply to post by navy_vet_stg3


Yeah I've been thinking and saying the same thing. Unfortunately I don't see that happening unless something drastic happens like a cataclysm, food drought or energy grid failure. Tragedy has a funny way of breaking all barriers (religion, race, sexual orientation, cultural differences etc..).

Originally posted by jlv70
reply to post by tankerpilot

 

Right here.

Soros: not a funder of Wall Street protests

Is Reuters good enough for you?

www.reuters.com...

Reuters is owned by the Thompson Corporation, which is controlled by a wealthy, Canadian family who also controls several other media properties. Are they supposed to be unbiased or something? This aint 1965. Reuters is just as good as FOX news or the New York Times (one of the worst propaganda rags out there)

reply to post by LDragonFire


Baby boomers are the true traitors to this country.

Curse my father's generation. At least he has an alternate theory on JFK's death that is shared by some.

Originally posted by LDragonFire
Its my opinion the baby boomer generation have lead us to this place, there fear and welcoming of a police state will not be tolerated by the younger generations.

Go kids!!! fix what your parents have broken!!!!

Only a small fraction of the baby boomer generation have caused the mess we're in. Specifically the ones who went into finance and banking and somewhere along the way lost their moral compass. You're painting with a pretty broad brush, my friend.

Also, explain to us why so many young people embrace socialism if they would't tolerate a police state. Socialism is a perpetual police state.

For the life of me, I will never understand why it is some people feel existence is an inherent right. The right to life is the right to experience the peculiar and temporary experience we all share. It's not a concept that affords one food, shelter, and healthcare on account of being alive. Life is temporary, regardless, and the end of one's experience cannot be guaranteed by birthright.

By no means does that mean we should not help each other out - but it would seem to be a particularly destructive mentality to presume others are obligated to provide for one's self; or that anyone other than one's own self is obligated to charitable deeds.

I find it quite repulsive that the "poor" and "underprivileged" have been reduced to a political fulcrum of leverage. They are given money and benefit programs in exchange for votes or as a mask for more controversial legislation. Even worse is the popular fallacy that argues the poor and underprivileged are only able to survive because of government programs (or charities). Not only is their capacity for accomplishment insulted by such approaches; they are expected to remain in a politically favorable state (where people can make more programs for the poor and appear to be better beings for it).

It's all a charade. It's not about having a group of people that can always be stood upon for personal gain. "We're helping the poor. We're good people. That's why we need you to give us the power to take more money from people."

No matter how you look at it - that is what these "for the poor" or "against the rich" movements or articles of legislation add up to. After all is said and done - the poor stay the poor, and some douche will always be using them as some kind of soap box.

Right on. I think all OWS people are groovy, righteous, and far-out.

Originally posted by Aim64C
For the life of me, I will never understand why it is some people feel existence is an inherent right. The right to life is the right to experience the peculiar and temporary experience we all share. It's not a concept that affords one food, shelter, and healthcare on account of being alive. Life is temporary, regardless, and the end of one's experience cannot be guaranteed by birthright.

By no means does that mean we should not help each other out - but it would seem to be a particularly destructive mentality to presume others are obligated to provide for one's self; or that anyone other than one's own self is obligated to charitable deeds.

I find it quite repulsive that the "poor" and "underprivileged" have been reduced to a political fulcrum of leverage. They are given money and benefit programs in exchange for votes or as a mask for more controversial legislation. Even worse is the popular fallacy that argues the poor and underprivileged are only able to survive because of government programs (or charities). Not only is their capacity for accomplishment insulted by such approaches; they are expected to remain in a politically favorable state (where people can make more programs for the poor and appear to be better beings for it).

It's all a charade. It's not about having a group of people that can always be stood upon for personal gain. "We're helping the poor. We're good people. That's why we need you to give us the power to take more money from people."

No matter how you look at it - that is what these "for the poor" or "against the rich" movements or articles of legislation add up to. After all is said and done - the poor stay the poor, and some douche will always be using them as some kind of soap box.

One of the best and most accurate posts I've ever seen on ATS. The whole premise of liberalism is that poor and minorities are so pathetic that they can only live decently if helped by the government. "Compassion" for those degenerates who could never help themselves. God forbid you suggest promoting self reliance and personal responsibility.

I say treat them like dignified humans rather than a household pet. You can't be dependent and have any real dignity. And guess what, they are capable of helping themselves. If you enable irresponsibility and dependence, how can you expect anything else?

Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by spacedonk

 

I'll be down at Wall St supporting OWS this Spring. I expect many fireworks.

I'd take a crash helmet as well, personally. A couple of thickly padded steel plates over your kidneys would probably be a good idea, too.

From @OccupyWallSt :

"It's ironic that the 1st window broken at #OWS was because an officer threw a protester into a window." #KellyMustResign
4:44 PM - 20 Mar 12

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