The Bible and the war against God's true and only work.

One might also want to reflect on the Jesus Tomb Symbols verses the Masonic Compass and Square:


In the world of religious symbols the circle means Divine and the Mason's Compass draws circles, which also connects to Divine, but only via the action of man to draw the circle and make the divine symbol---the circle. The the Compass ^ complete the Jesus Tomb symbol. It appears this tomb sign influenced the Mason symbolsm.


That is a rather important concept that the more open and honest on religion perhaps should notice. It also supports another Mason high reverence theme on DaVinci's Creation painting on the ceiling of the Sistein Chapen at the Vatican that captures that god only exists only upon the minds of Man, which captures a like theme. Some even suggest DaVinci was an Mason of sorts.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

Perhaps you may want to explain why you present the wrong crossing site......

Yes, absolutely.

I wasn't posting Mountain of Fire because I wanted everyone to see the Red Sea crossing, I wanted them to see "jabal al lawz". (I even said that too earlier.) Even if they thought the Red Sea crossing was in Cambodia, Moses's mountain he met God at was at jabal al lawz.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by MagnumOpus

 

Yes, absolutely.

I wasn't posting Mountain of Fire because I wanted everyone to see the Red Sea crossing, I wanted them to see "jabal al lawz". (I even said that too earlier.) Even if they thought the Red Sea crossing was in Cambodia, Moses's mountain he met God at was at jabal al lawz.

I think you should tell the readers that this clip is wrong on the Crossing area, as you didn't tell them isn't good. Everyone needs to not perpetuate the wrong concepts, you being no exception.

I watched this clip the other evening and didn't see Moses Mtn of Fire. Saw some talk alluding to going to see it, but didn't appear they got there in the clip. I saw the Mtn. that Constantine's Mother incorrectly proposed, which is in Egypt's Sinai Delta desert, and the two standing on top of that one---which is the wrong area too.

So, the Constaintine mess screwed up the real history of where Moses Mtn is located for thousand plus years, not to mention contaminated todays Christian Preaching to become like Constantine, a pagan sun worshiper.

Tack on the wrong info on the Crossing site....sounds like you follow in Constantine's propensity for telling wrongs.

Did you pick the clip to not show the Moses Mtn of fire? What time stamp is it shown for the clip?


Seems like Ron Wyatt was the first American Adventurer to find this area back around 1978, and sounds like back then it didn't have the fences around it. He was written up in the newspapers and got lots of attention and so much he opened a Museum in Gatlinburg with the Moses Mtn Content. I saw the newspaper stories and even went to the Museum like thousands of others. He got the Crossing and the Mtn right.

Since then, lots of others had to go look at the region also, such as these three trying to claim attention they found it and made history. Wyatt got there in 1978. "Gold of Exodus" is another book that has people sneaking under the fences in the dark of night to hike to the top of Moses Mtn. It appears to be very well vetted as being the correct spot by anyone that sees the area. It is complete with altar, wells, large flat area, black burn marks all over the top of the Mtn. etc..

One of the things your authors screw up is how the Mtn of Fire fits into the scheme of nature. They took some rocks off the Mtn and had them analyzed and they were not volcanic. That is likely so, but the entire region there sit on top and near the East Africa Rift Zone and that is highly volcanic and highly subject to quakes and faults. What lent Moses Mtn its specialness was that the Rift hit the edge of the Saudi oil field and bakes off flammable gas that comes out the top of Moses faulted upthrust Mtn and burns for 40 years. This leaves what was the top of the Mtn all black from petrochemical fire residue, and the Mtn itself was likely upthrust sedimentry rock with sizable fracturing and the whole mountain shows it. These guys also don't appear too well informed to not associate the geological features of this region to what happened in the times of Moses, which is why they missed the Red Sea Crossing's Site also. The Rift Zone is important to speak about, as it shows up well in the satellite images and should be a part of the discussions for the region. These two try to dismiss the volcanic associations to the Moses Mtn., when the process was not the simple common basalt effects, but those of volcanic effects deep underground affecting oil deposits. That doesn't happen much in volcanic areas because oil domes usually don't exist so near fault regions.

The whole Moses issues of that Exodus to the Mtn. has all those that moved out of there leave old Moses behind to die in Midian. About as close Moses came to seeing the Israel area was viewing it from a distant Mountain. Perhaps someday, some Arab will fall into a hole around Midian and find Moses resting place.

The Saudis appear to not like all this Jewish and Christian interest in the area because it sit near the Trail of Pilgramage for Mecca. No Crazy Constantine followers aka Infidels allowed. This region's history is loaded with Arabs following the pilgramage trail getting hit with volcanic exploisions, passing along all kinds of volcanic basalt flows, so the region is highly volcanic/rift area. And that was going on under Moses Mtn. It is the reason that arm of the Red Sea formed, as that is one of the fault lines and it runs clear up to the Dead Sea and makes that area low and causes the pitch to float to the top of the Dead Sea because there is also petrochemical/oil and rift/volcanic issues there also. The Brimfire stories of Sulfur there speak to this.

Such informational content as you read above is what real truth seekers tell about to not have others misled.

This thread has taken on a very interesting life (the OP's exit notwithstanding)....
I ran across this vid in the Psychology Philosophy Metaphysics forum....And btw, the vid doesn't mention God once....it's okay for everybody to watch it. No threats of hell. Just denial of ignorance. And also the "vulgar" language of the title bar is not repeated anywhere in the video at all, either. It's the Baloney Detection Kit, not the BS Detection Kit.
Anyway, thought I'd pop it in here for everyone to consider:

The basics of CRITICAL THINKING,
which the hard-core religious proponents seem to be lacking to some degree...

while I disagree with the end-points discussion of "telepathy" being false (because newer quantum science has made strides toward proving it is really possible....) still, the short presentation of how to discern between good and bad information might help some of those who are stuck in their thinking and feeling "persecuted."

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"Critical Thinking" is a good suggestion and how most of the higher function world works, but it doesn't apply well to the Christian that only think the 66 Books is the limit for all religious knowledge.

These type Christians retreat into their little world of artificial reality from only 66 books, which they can't interpret in the language vogue of the times.

Those that like to control the world's minds build in this little limit of knowledge concept to brain wash them into becoming basically beasts and useless eaters, that can't rise to the real understanding of those times. They have to have their book wrapped in gold and their gold crusted cross they toss out as their special world.

Critical Thinking certainly applies and one always takes in knowledge and learns more and more each day and applies what fits to the various knowledge themes according to logic, reason, and common sense.

Unfortunately, why the Catholic Church and Constantine sold some of the world on this limited reality concept and the need to make many things as some miracle from god, they made this limited reality side-step Critical Thinking and Truth Seeking.

Most that truely seek the message from Noah down to Moses see they are both speaking of the issues of Mother Nature's extremes associated with volcanic linked activity. Critical Thinkers apply science to these religious history themes and don't become misled by noisy preachers seeking folks that want into their fantasy world.

So, what we see from the OP is that basically no one wants to buy that one book is all I need to know mentality and so he has to retreat back into the fantansy world of his own limited mentality.

Most folks that study volcanics and science recognize the story of Noah was that of a large scale volcanic event that produced monumental rains or what many would call massive floods. These are common to big volcanic eruptions, and they will severely affect weather and rain around the planet. They also tend to kill lots of living things from the sulfur, surfuric acid, fluoride, and hydrofluoric acid production. These are well know poison from large volcanic events and one needs shelters that can be sealed well against the outside world, thus the term vessel. Noah's vessel didn't every float, it was never designed to do so, it was however a high protective vessel to keep out and toxic materials and 40 days of rains. Noah used a bird for a signal of when the dangers passed and anyone that knows the issues of toxicity from dangerous toxic emissions in the atmosphere know birds are the most sensitive. So when Noah's bird didn't return the atmosphere was safe again outside.

What happens in the world of Churches needing miracles, is embellishments, going beyond the sane and rational explanations back into the fantasy land. All those that apply Critical Thinking well know that the history of other regions continued and all didn't suddely parish. Thus, we find there are dangers from those that speak to one book being all the need to know and try to push their fantasy on the rest of the world. The Islamic's call these the Infidels, the athiests make fun of them, the real Christ followers in the Essene Sense call these fantasy Christians as the Anti-Christs, those with the mental power of the Beasts in the field.

Thus, we find why the OP's theme rather died, as he found himself defenseless against those that are well read that have applied Critical Thinking, and don't follow the limited content of one Book---which they (the OP set) can't even comprehind in the real sense that it was written.

One of the most interesting things to consider that most don't consider on the religion theme and movie making is the film called Elmer Gantry from 1969 with Bert Lancaster. The movie is an epic performance about a misleading preacher that would do anything for money. When his followers found out about his deceitful games that went and set his tent on fire. He was one of the hell fire and damnation types, tossing out the fear factor.

www.imdb.com...

So, since both the Jewish Temples appear to have lost favor for various reasons and both were burned down, there is a resemblance, in part due to the loss of the central theme of religion--the pious truth and the good for all. In the case of Solomon's Temple, he took up all kinds of religions and likely lost favor with lots of the pious followers that liked the One God concept. So, while Solomon was ahead and had the money and got along with all his surrounding neighbors he gets the Phonicians to build him a super glossy temple for the Ark, which is what he father David wanted but never got there due to too many wars.

But, Moses appeared to not want the Ark to be any real big deal, except to wars, and it was to be housed in a nice little tabernackel. It was to be kept out of the way, have the Menora and Commandments lead the religion theme.

Thus, Soloman's pious values failed, the Jewish folks were taken into captivity, all the things of value taken from the Temple and the thing burned up. Somewhere the Ark got lost, hidden, or burried, and it hasn't been seen since. Most likely if anyone did find it the religion people would be trying not to have it made public because its theme is way short of a miracle and some super dooper power from god. Due to Captivity, Then the Pagan issues got worse as the Babylon Talmud became the theme of those in Captivity. Babylon eventually gets tired of the captives and lets them go free.

Then the Second temple pops up with a bias toward the Babylon Talmud, which the Pharisee support as their method to riches and power. Along, the way the Essene get into the game and don't like the Second Temple's games of Babylon, and the Jesus Messiah theme tries to save them from their wrong direction. Jesus gets killed for playing games of popularity that would unseat the Pharisee, and they decide Jesus is the evil one and Jesus gets killed. The story invokes much passion and guilt, and lives across the millenia, and finds political value to Rome under Constantine.

So, due to the second temple's values problems, eventually the Romans get tired of the Pharisee's nonsense on religion and burn down the second temple and scatter the Jews into other regions, the great dysphoria. So, it would appear that these evil things of religions usually get found out, usually have the common theme of trying to impress with gold encristed things and impressive buildings, scare or guilt themes, but they lack real values and seeking the good of the common man. The theme of the Elemer Gantry Movie appears the reincarnation of the problems of the 1st and 2nd temple's big mistakes.

I don't think anyone tried to take over the Essene's nice little gardens at Mt. Carmel. There were no gold buildings and other golden things to impress.

It becomes a long running controversy on if Jesus really died, if he did survive the ordeal, or if his followers wanted to use the old ways to make him diefied into god so the message would ride over the millinea to now. Either of the ways, it worked. A small part of the world likes the Jesus theme, but they have much of it so screwed up they appear more like the Satan than Christ. Not Good! Some call them the illiterate Beasts, and some the Infidels.

Now, we are in the middle of the same old mess again with this take the wrong road and build another temple and seek power and control over others using the same ole games of the Phonecians. Did this work the previous two times, NO!.

Will it became the signature for the third world war, Yes! So, it appears we are right in the middle of Revelation's theme because all these people can't get the message that nobody wants to be lorded over, everyone wants the truth, truth provides unity, and we all want a high level of equality, not with some disenfranchised of knowledge, money, freedoms, or common sense by religions that limit Critical Thinking.

It looks like it takes WWIII to fix the problems, unless a whole lot of religion extremists begin a lot more high thinking and common ground seeking rather than divide and conquor methods. The Beast level of though just won't cut the mustard now.

I do think the issues are the Christian religion has been abducted and so far removed from the truth and into the world of old Babylon and Phonician Temple Wealth Impressions that most Christians don't have the mental power to step back, no longer follow the wrong directions, and start a movement with dropping the gold encrusted cross, putting up the real symbols for Jesus Church, admitting there is a problem if Jesus has a Bone Box in Jerusalem and to stop sounding like a broken record reincarnation of Constantaine's screwed up methods.

Time for a Big Change in Christianity any way one looks at it.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

Critical Thinking certainly applies and one always takes in knowledge and learns more and more each day and applies what fits to the various knowledge themes according to logic, reason, and common sense.

Hear, hear! I starred you for that alone. This is a lesson for all concerned, learn now, or learn later, but you WILL learn. Constant and repetitive incarnations again and again have the effect of really waking one up, and making one hunger for knowledge, of any kind in any avenue.

Thus, we find there are dangers from those that speak to one book being all the need to know and try to push their fantasy on the rest of the world. The Islamic's call these the Infidels, the athiests make fun of them, the real Christ followers in the Essene Sense call these fantasy Christians as the Anti-Christs, those with the mental power of the Beasts in the field.

Yes, there is a danger, a danger of descending into a cult religion where man is God and one Book is all Truth, be it Islam, or Christianity, in reality they do resemble each other in their blood lust.

MagnumOpus, I bow to your wisdom, and welcome you here among us who seek higher knowledge and the knowledge of hidden secrets. It is quite refreshing to read you, sir, carry on.
Love and Light,
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Ok i am going to ask a question with genuine curiosity as an atheist.

what makes the modern christian religion any more valid then the muslim religion or any of the past religions that predate christianity. Which as a non-believer seems like they might be more accurate since they would be closer to the alleged events.

i am not trying to start an argument, I am asking a real question and would like the responses to be well thought out instead of hating on me for not believing...

reply to post by drgrantdiz

what makes the modern christian religion any more valid then the muslim religion or any of the past religions that predate christianity.

Just to clarify, the muslim religion doesn't predate Christ.
Other than that, I can't answer your question, because I don't think it is any more valid than any other religion.
In fact, apart from the Essene church and the Buddhist church, I think they are all wrong. Jesus studied with the Essenes, and the Buddhists.
He taught the same things as Krisha, and Gautama, and the Essenes did.....

he did NOT teach the kind of religion that so-called Christians practice today.

just to clarify I said muslim OR past religions that predate christianity.

reply to post by drgrantdiz


As previously posted, this quote sums it all up when speaking to the faithful: "I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." - Stephen Roberts

There is "one true god" in most deity based religions. Either they are all right, and it's the same deity, or they are all wrong.

It doesn't make any sense - statistically - for one to have any precedence over another.
Why (in keeping with the thread) would a deity have to point out that he/she/it/3.14 is the best possible god if no others existed. If a deity's existence is reliant on faith, and faith exists for other deities, then these other deities too exist.

If these deities claim also to be the 'one true god' they are either the same one, or they have just as much validity. The various sects cannot comprehend or accept this. Hence all the fighting, killing, and squabbling.
I am not inclined to attack another atheist for not believing in a deity. Unfortunately - whether it is verbally, physically, or spiritually - this is not true for religious zealots. People of faith find it almost impossible to accept the faiths of others if they are different from their own. Otherwise there would simply be "Christianity." There are hundreds of versions of Christianity and they can't all be right. If they are all reading the same book - which the OP contends was written by their deity (who is all-knowing, all-seeing, and infallible) - then there should be no contention among the faithful. They should all follow exactly the same path. Their God's word should not be up for debate. The splintering of Christianity proves there is no unity.

I'll also take this opportunity to give due kudos to MagnumOpus for his/her excellent research. Although I find myself approaching the subject in a somewhat childlike manner (as in, "explain it to me like I was a child!"), his/her [and I will apologize for not researching his/her profile for gender. My excuse is that I find the things that he/she says far more compelling!] approach is well-read, clear, concise, and utterly irrefutable. Consequently the OP disappeared to possibly reassess his belief structure, or hide from the barrage of logic. Either way, I find it quite telling. Well done. I'm not saying that because I want anyone to question their faith, but I do wish for the pious to take another look at what they believe without the preconceived notions and irrationality.

The truth is that the Bible does not stand up to close scrutiny using modern rationale, logic, critical thinking, and scientific research. The faithful will tell you it's all about faith. This is true. Holding on to intangibles is a lot easier than admitting any error.

Is there a god? As long as the faithful believe, there is. Whatever I personally think does not change this. My biggest problem is that the so-called "modern" society in which I live can and does get modified based on this Bronze age thinking.
Did this deity write the Bible? No. That's clearly not standing up to scrutiny.

I do think it might be time to consider Deism and just how it may be common to perhaps athiesm and true Christianity......is there really that much difference as the unembellished truth is exposed in religions? Not that much, in retrospect. Give me thousands of Thomas Jeffersons, who many would call an athiest, as these Jeffersons would be true moral leaders of man in the same regard as Jesus.

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Individual deists varied in the set of critical and constructive elements for which they argued. Some deists rejected miracles and prophecies but still considered themselves Christians because they believed in what they felt to be the pure, original form of Christianity – that is, Christianity as it existed before it was corrupted by additions of such superstitions as miracles, prophecies, and the doctrine of the Trinity. Some deists rejected the claim of Jesus' divinity but continued to hold him in high regard as a moral teacher (see, for example, Thomas Jefferson's famous Jefferson Bible and Matthew Tindal's Christianity as Old as the Creation). Other, more radical deists rejected Christianity altogether and expressed hostility toward Christianity, which they regarded as pure superstition. In return, Christian writers often charged radical deists with atheism.

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Diests are sometimes called Athiests because they don't buy into supernatural miracles or Trinity for Jesus, but then the Essene and Jesus didn't buy into that either. So, were they too athiests for understanding all the Bible's Language was about nature's order when put into the correct natural settings contexts that we know today? Are Scientist too atheist, or do they actually study the ways of the diest view on god.

Diests are sometimes called Christians, by those who get the message of the Essene and Jesus correct.

Do Athiests that see the natural world and pick out there are things made in nature that show order, believe in the same context that Jesus sought to explain? It think it very close. Diests reject the made up exaggerations and embellishments in Biblical Narratives of things of the natural order, and so do Athiests that believe in the natural order. Nature is the "I am that I am". Scientists study that "I am that I am" in their learning of the ordered ways of nature, and the ways that many things show an intelligent design. In the old days, doing that found miracles and supernatural effects for the unschooled, but today----no miracles, but some old methods and references for riturals on what they considered gods in the old days. They got down to one, but the old ways of references to nature's forces as god lingered on and on.

On the theme of Christianity's rise, it came into vogue for political reasons under Constantine and Rome and the core concept was to promote peace over wars, promote moral standards for man who tends to become more savage than the worst animal without that code to live by. Constantine got part of the equation for man correct to establish a move into peace, but messed up with the inclusion for Empire mixed in, that still promoted wars due to private wealth issues.

Constantine got the Jesus message into a book, which was poorly understood in that time as now, but it got the words of Jeus into the open. Constantine's Jesus move began the move to a kinder and gentler world in 300 AD or so. Another noticed that success several centuries later further south of Rome's Empire.

If we look, the same lack of moral standards was ripping apart the Arabs and the Prophet Mohammad came along with a moral code to live by and became a promoter of peace between the tribes of Arabia. Jesus appears to have even predicted his message would take into the Arab world with the Book of Barnabis, which also speaks to Jesus as a Prophet. Islam respects Jesus as a Great Prophet, and Islam would better respect Christianty if Jesus was a Prophet like Muhammad. It really is true that Jesus could not become the "I am that I am," that is all the ways of the natural order across the galixies.

Jesus appears to have gotten things started on dumping the evil in religion and the Essene didn't shy away from pointing out the poor moral standards and those designed for exploitation, which exploitation is a moral violation as well. Muhammad's goals appeared to have also been shaped by Jesus and the Essene, stimulated by Constantine's success on peace, and Islam were perhaps a better copy of the Jesus values than that of the Constantine Empire's tainted attemps that mixed in too much Babylon image that allowed Christianty to be so easily corrupted.

If one cuts out the embellishments in the Christian Religion and the Constaintine carry over of Babylon, the Islam and Christianty would be in high agreement of the major points of moral codes to live by, yet both have their faults that should not be so insurmountable if considerable common ground is agreed.

Thank You for the good comment for the good words that I have tossed out to hopefully explain in a rational and reasoned way where Christianty took wrong turns and I hope you kick those explanationa around, share them with others, and help to turn this dying world around. Spreading the words of truth to return religion to the correct understanding, would provide my greatest thanks from you all. Thank you for understanding my words and good intentions, though I don't agree with the OP's message. I would hope the OP comes around to see the merits in many of the beyond the single book sources of information that such information really goes to support much of the Bible's Narratives, just not the supernatural and miracle magic other than those science and natural order processes that are well known these days.

If this world is to grow, get beyond wars for the have and have not, if we are to prosper, trust, explain, share information, find a common religion main values, then that is what Jesus and the Essene expressed as being servants to mankind and being good stewards for the planet. Religion at its highest expression was just that.

Constaintine's Empire goals have gotten out of hand in the present day, this has been the seeds for all world wars. The games are private ownership of large tax sheltered corporations, that go beyond the wealth of nations, so as to control those nation's elected Officials. It runs by Corporation's immense power and that overlords Governments, and fuels the banks with private wealth far beyond the economic power of even the US. That needed to be curbed and prevented and would have by Thoman Jeffereson's theme learned from old world methods for exploitation and Empire. The US didn't want Royalty, no Kings, and they wanted Equality for All. That only happens with the proper keeping of the money under the control of we the people in the shared fasion of the Essene.

Thomas Jefferson was a Diest, some say him an antiest, some say a Christian sans the miracles and Jesus as god, but Jefferson understood the messages of religion from Islam and the Essene better than anyone in history perhaps. He used the good extracted religion values to make the Constitution of the US, so getting religion right is imperitive to restoring the health of the US and keeping it from harm and ruin with the Foreign Religious wars that Jefferson warned the US to avoid. Most tell that Jefferson was the most brilliant person to ever enter the White House, and I would agree. JFK became a close second, really close, but just as Jesus got close, that close gets you killed. No single person can change this massive mess in the US, it takes us all, and that is what my writings hope to explain, and find the real and poius message of religion in the process. Our values have to be in harmory, there has to be a better concensus, for the US to survive and we have to get closer to the rest of the world's lessons on how not to become the victims of tyranny or tyrants. Islam and other religions have protections against these tyranny and tyrants taking over.

Jefferson's oppositions to private banks was most likely extracted from the Essene methods on wealth held largely in common and in the US that same thing was supposed to happen. But, those that followed the history of Babylon, the ways of Empire had seen many times how easy it is to subvert that common sense and move wealth into huge protected private holdings where the few oligarchs set the world's directions for economic take over of other Countries beyond the US using the same methods of old Babylon and it is still called tyranny. The US has lost its Freedom due to this problem.

Thank You again to the several of you that have noted how important these truth seeking issues of religion are the restoration of the values in the US Govt. and returning economic freedom to the people and pious truths to religion in the US, particularly the Christian religion. Sadly Christianity has fallen so far from grace that its followers are termed low minded beasts, as these End-Times near, that have lost the highest theme of Essene's religion. Everyone needs to be firmly honest in explaining this to those that strayed too far.

reply to post by Vsc1981

You will lose this battle with all those you forgot about here: the ones who dont know God, dont beleive in the Bible, are Moslems, Krishnas, Buddists etc, etc etc.

There are hundreds of ATS'rs who dont believe in what you do. They have every right to believe against it...as you do for it.

Be careful when exclaiming or ex-pounding "truth"...when it may not be any kind or type of "truth" or "proof" to many. At least not while posting on ATS unless youre ready for a fight.

PS *I am a Christian as well....

reply to post by MagnumOpus

they don't buy into supernatural miracles or Trinity for Jesus, but then the Essene and Jesus didn't buy into that either

I assure you Jesus did

Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias. While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
Matthew17

And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob?
Mark12

reply to post by Rustami


lol you can assure anyone of anything about jesus or the bible unnless you're talking to a christian that's already bought into all the stories and thinks they're found the truth.

reply to post by Garfee


I didn't buy into any "story"

wonder marvelously: for I will work a work in your days which ye will not believe, though it be told you.
Habakkuk 1

reply to post by Rustami


If you read or are told a story and believe it is real without proof - yes, you do.

reply to post by Garfee


so these english words your using/typing..nevermind
I know what I've seen and heard, Jesus was raised from the dead and there is an Angel whose appearance is like lightning -just like scriptures say

reply to post by Rustami


You never saw jesus rise from the dead. You read the story and were told about it from a story.

reply to post by Rustami


You guys are quoting again from a book not everyone believes in...You need to give them something other than that.