The Bible and the war against God's true and only work.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

The Star of David

I'm done.

Originally posted by Badgered1
I'll live quite happily for eternity without your god.

Bonnobo's and dogs committing rape? Really? That seems like quite a stretch to me. Never seen a monkey or a dog brutally beaten, raped, and left for dead. But I guess if you equate that to humping your leg for a few minutes, you have a point.

Regarding the above statement, best of luck with that bud.

Most can look at what may be loosely called the "Star of David" and find that it really isn't some star, it is two triangles forming a special symbol or seal. Too many Christians cease on making two triangles into a star and trying to go off in the wrong directions using the star theme. These are the anti-Christ workings.

Perhaps the better term for the symbol was the "Shield of David", which then connects it back to the issues of the Giant, Goliath, and the use of the Ark, and the subsequent repopularity for the Ark to the point of making a special temple just for it---the synagogue. The power of the Ark was what caused David's rise to King. David rescued the Ark from obscurity, and retuned its presence in the Temple as being god or power of god. The power of the Ark was the fluorite, which is all about geometric interlocked triangles. Nothing about stars. It is an alchemical related symbol for fluorite.

One can see some of the Jewish traditions more clearly speaking to the "Shield of David" being the tile for the god of Israel. It also links back to Moses times, as that was also the alchemical power that Moses discovered and came to also make the symbolic Menorah, which isn't a star either. David's Son called the Double Triangles a "Seal" to cut out the star misunderstandings.

Always the Menorah is coupled with the Ark, and the light of the Menorah always lighted the Ark, seven lights in the night and only one in the day. Tied with Moses, the Ark and Menorah are inseperable and the seal for the power of the Ark was the Double Triangles and this was considered the Holy of Holies and the sign of Moses god and Israel's.


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The term "Shield of David" is also used in the Siddur (Jewish prayer book) as a title of the God of Israel

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The Star of David at least since the 20th century remains associated with the number seven and thus with the Menorah, and popular accounts.

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The Menorah was an oil lamp that ran on olive oil to make the Seven Branch Lamp, and there was a secret for this relic as well, because each lamp was connected within its framework to the other. So, if only one lamp was lighted it would burn for seven days. It is also a symbolic issue for the power of the many in support of the one.

The Kabbalistic inner secret for the Ark was the symbolism for how God makes octahedron crystals called fluorite today, that in that period allowed man to find one special chemical compound that if it were burned in fires or dropped in Oil of Vitrol made the most dangerous toxic chemical known for the times. They called this a special power of god, but in today's views it is only chemistry. Since the octahedron is all about triangles, it is fitting for the power of the god of Moses was symbolic shown in the alchemical methods as interlocked triangles.


While this is easy for many to associate as simple chemistry, what appears as deliberate depravity toward explaining what this was about in the Christian Church shows they really don't seek the truth be known. The better views on what as God was about Jesus not only explaining these issues from Moses times, but setting up a new and better vision of God to replace the old "Shield of David" thinking. For Iseael the A-Bomb became their new god to replace the chemical version.

Even the Lords Supper, from the times of the Essene, is all about healing and the newer God theme, as the Holy Lands were blessed with some of the highest levels of Boron in the soils and water, so Bread and Wine grown in this region became a very good boron nutrient for people's health and that was also provided by Nature and God, and was a part of the Essene's healing ways and their idea for God.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

I'm done.

I guess that means MagnumOpus wins this round,
or,
you are just a quitter.

One thing I am learning about you, as I'm "getting to know you at all" is that you're closed-minded and have no curiosity about some things. It's a shame. Because there's so MUCH out there to learn, and it's quite exciting stuff, in my opinion.

I think that information was fabulous, and thanks to MagnumOpus for it. Very interesting. I would have liked to see you participate in debating it, with your dogmatic arsenal. But, oh well, if you're done, you're done. It's your hobby, to lay aside and step away from as you please....
but it does make me wonder why it's your hobby. What is your goal in pursuing it? To reach out and recruit others? Or just to debunk everyone else? I'm lost.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

One can see some of the Jewish traditions more clearly speaking to the "Shield of David" being the tile for the god of Israel. It also links back to Moses times,

The concept of the God of Abraham being considered "a shield" can be found in Genesis.

Chapter 15
1 After these things the word of Yahweh came to Abram in a vision, saying, “Don’t be afraid, Abram. I am your shield, your exceedingly great reward.”

Yes, very true. Thanks for noticing that important citation.

Here is a little more of the alchemical imagery as it relates to things of Jewish Synbolism at a Catholic Church in the center of Oak Ridge, Tennessee. Most people begin to grasp the issues of how to climb the learning ladder as they see this one statue. Just as Jesus taught using his sign for Jonah rising to the Menorah, so people are taught in Oak Ridge of the deeper meanings of the Old Testament's secrets. The scientists of the Manhattan Project discovered most all the deeper interpretations of the Old Testament god of Moses due to working with the very same oil of vitrol and fluorite chemistry as did Moses. All became instantly clear to them, but only for the ones most skilled in sciences and chemistry.

This is the bottom of the Virgin Mary statue, the most intesting part:



This is the top of the Virgin Mary statue




What one notices at the base of the statue is the Atomic Symbol for Nuclear Energy is the "Seal of Solomon" combined with the image for the atom of nuclear energy sign. One can see how the origin of religion came from the Sun Worshiping as the "dot and circle" are the Sun Sign from ancient astrology. The Sun Pagan issues was what Moses rebelled against and used the special power of nature to force the Pharoes to let his people go.

One notices that Mary's larger image dwarfs that of the Earth and she has her foot on the Snake with an Apple in its mouth. This is all about dealing with the poisons be they from areas with bad minerals of that from the methods of Moses special chemistry of the poison from the Ark Alchemistry. These were the teachings of the Essene's high priestis.

Mary is a main person in the Catholic Church, and in many respects bigger than Jesus, because she lived on beyond and kept up the teachings. But she had to flee the area to survive.

On Mary's head one finds the Crown of the ancient Popes, back in the times of the Essenes when they dared to teach the greater truths.


This is perhaps one of the most famous statues in Oak Ridge that speaks to the Atomic Scientists knew the real deal on Moses big chemistry project. But, as many things were secret in the Manhattan Project's big Jewish alchemy per nuclear bombs, so was kept the secret of Moses special miracles that were no larger than a children's chemistry set supplied with sulfuric acid and fluoride minerals. The explain what the god of Moses was in so explicit terms to the masses would pretty much make the church look like a bunch of charletons making much ado about that which is commonplace today. So, the Church never wanted to explain this aspect of Moses god, because they could never get any free money any longer.

In the times just after the Manhattan Project, the acquisition of the A-Bomb was presented as the now god of Israel in the methods of Israel's Ben Gurion, and the Bomb serves the same place as the Ark of the Covenant did back in the simple times of just plain chemistry. Now the Jewish Sign is applied to the Nuclear Chemistry and the same weapons ideas from the days of the Ark of the Covenent with Moses Shield, or David's Shield. And this statue is an Oak Ridge new age version for the "Seal of the Church of Christ" from the time of Jesus.


You won't find this sort of truth on display at the Vatican and Rome's area because all that was designed to hide the deeper issues of religion, to impress but never to reveal the truth is the Vatican's game. The Vatican's game is all about money and followers, but how many could they seduce to follow if anyone showed the issues of Moses was as simple as dropping fluorite in acid to make a highly toxic poison gas. The entire would would walk away from the Pope's over embellished non-sense to hide this Moses god from mother natures chemistry of the times.

So, this is why so many so called Christians don't know the real issues, as they are so illiterate of science, chemistry and the so simple story of Moses they follow the signs for Satan and argue about the sign of Satan on their forehead. People that walk around trying to get that coin in the collection plate is all this Christian Elmer Gantry preaching is about, it is nothing that speaks to honesty and good, nor pious religion explanations of what really went on.

But in the times of the Essene, they would have taught these fuller issues, just as they were learned in the Manhattan Project and the special seal there for the atom that contains the like same secrets kept from the vapid Christians that survive on a steady diet of pure ignorance. When one gets into the alchemical significance for the Moses story at the level of a child's chemistry set, one begins to arrive at the truth and one can then make much better decisions for what was good and what was loaded with treachery and deceit for the sake of coin and power over others.

Learn this and your will no longer be led astray by the corruption of religion by preachers that can't even tell you about 5,000 year old chemical science. The blunders of religion have held the world back long enough with the dumb X symbol, so follow the Jesus upward learning symbol that intended on giving everyone the truth and also the better science for health and longevity that the Lord's Supper symbolozed. The X cross is not about Jesus, in the same sense that X-mas isn't either, these are the signs of the charletons of the anti-christ.

reply to post by MagnumOpus

Hi Magnum

Can you show me an image that was made pre-dating c. 400 CE of the Mogen-David ('shield of David') as specifically referring to ancient Yisro'el (Israel) or Yehudah (Judah) ?

As any reader of Alchemical symbols (i.e. the symbol for the Lapis) or any player of chinese-chequers would know this two-triangle symbol (the so-called Jewish Star() was NOT a known Jewish symbol before c. 400 CE (i.e. into the middle ages).

In other words, this is NOT a symbol the benei Yisro'el of old would have even recognised as applying to them. Interestingly, perhaps, engraved upon a random fragment of the socalled 2nd Temple of Herod (BCE 12 to CE 70) shows a Greek Key design which makes very decorative & fluent use of the so-called Swastika !!!!!

Originally posted by MarlboroRedCowgirl

Hell is not eternal torment through some torturous method. There is no fire-and-brimestone hell. The hell described in the Bible is an eternity without God, which is the ultimate misery. God is alive and working in this work in this world weather you admit it or not. He is not alive or working in Hell.

I did not become a Christian because I was afraid or hell or because I wanted to go to heaven. They were the least thing on my mind. I became a Christian because I trusted Jesus, through no coercion or threats, but blind faith.

edit on 16-3-2012 by MarlboroRedCowgirl because: spelling

It bothers me too that "Christians" think Hell is fire and brimstone when the term comes from Gahenna - a burning trash dump outside of Jerusalem where other "pagan" rituals were done - hence the pagan souls go to Hell. Even the Catholic Church denounced the idea of a blazing Hell and that worldview is done, yet people continue to believe it. Hell is just as you said - being separated from God.
I also became a Christian much like you did - not from fear but from a place of love. I was always spiritual growing up and later learned it's probably from my bloodline. Yet all the time I'm too scientific to believe what people say without proof so I started researching Christianity on my own. Everything I've seen has taught me to believe in things unseen.

This speaks to some of the sources for the old "Mogen David"---Shield of David:

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www.starofdavid.co.il...

In fact, the Star of David symbol is part of the Jerusalem Messianic Seal that was found on Mount Zion and thought to date to the first or second century CE. This Messianic seal combines the menorah, the Star of David symbol and the fish. Some people believe that the menorah represents God, the Star of David represents Jesus (as the son of David), and the fish (a well-known early Christian symbol) represents man. Therefore, Jesus - symbolized by the Jewish Star of David - represents man’s connection to God.

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The Star of David symbol is a six apex star which became an accepted Judaic symbol in the last centuries. The Star of David first appeared on a Jewish seal found around 700 B.C. in the ancient city of Sidon. Today, the Star of David is one of the most important Judaism symbols.

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I have listed some of the old relics from the times of James and Jesus, so those are near 0 AD, and connected with Christian church and the Essene's Jewish beliefs.


One has to keep in mind that knowing about, seeing inside, let along speaking about the Ark, was punished by death. The Ark's big secret didn't work unless no others knew the method. So, only the top priest was allowed to know the secret, and this was never made public. About the only thing spoke of was Mogen David.

Only as the Ark was lost, supposed in the Sheba lands of Yemen, where there is an inscription that tells the Ark is burried there, noone has been very interested in digging it up. These days, knowing the secret of the Ark is none that impressive, then most of the religion types would be more interested in not finding out the truth it is so simple.

reply to post by Sigismundus

Hey Sigismundas,

I'm glad you brought that question up.

(the so-called Jewish Star() was NOT a known Jewish symbol before c. 400 CE (i.e. into the middle ages).

You would be more qualified to deal with comparisons of Judean religious symbols compared with alchemical symbols than me.

reply to post by pthena

Hi Pthena -

Here is a Hindu Version of the Mogen David

gosai.com...

I assume if there was an artifact with two linking triangles found at Sidon (near the Cannanite capital of Ugarit) in the 8th centiry BCE, it was probably of Canaanitish (not Hapiru / Yisroelite) origin)...

In other words, stolen, or more politely 'borrowed' !!

reply to post by Sigismundus

I assume if there was an artifact with two linking triangles found at Sidon (near the Cannanite capital of Ugarit) in the 8th centiry BCE, it was probably of Canaanitish (not Hapiru / Yisroelite) origin)...

Phoenician, I would assume. From the SatKona page you linked to:

4) CARTHAGE
Coins have been discovered in Carthage (modern day Tunisia in North Africa) bearing the Sat-kona insignia. These Phoenician coins date back to the 5th Century BCE.

gosai.com...

Carthage was founded as a Phoenician colony.

Of Sidon, during the 5th century BCE:

In AD 1855, the sarcophagus of King Eshmun’azar II was discovered. From a Phoenician inscription on its lid, it appears that he was a "king of the Sidonians," probably in the 5th century BCE, and that his mother was a priestess of ‘Ashtart, "the goddess of the Sidonians." [2] In this inscription the gods Eshmun and Ba‘al Sidon 'Lord of Sidon' (who may or may not be the same) are mentioned as chief gods of the Sidonians. ‘Ashtart is entitled ‘Ashtart-Shem-Ba‘al '‘Ashtart the name of the Lord', a title also found in an Ugaritic text.
wikipedia, Sidon, History

In the legendary story of David v Goliath of Gath story, it would be more likely for Goliath's shield (1 Samuel 17:41) to have the Satkona on it than anything that David carried.

Phonecia put this in the land of Mt. Carmel and the home for the Essene order's high masters school and temple. Mt. Carmel taught Pythagoras all his Geometry symbolisms.


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Artifacts containing the symbol of the Jerusalem Messianic Seal have been uncovered in Mount Zion and are said to date to the first or second century CE. This symbol combines three depictions: the menorah, a Jewish symbol; the Star of David; and the fish, a Christian symbol commonly used prior to the cross. It is believed that the Jerusalem Messianic Seal is the symbol of early Jewish-Christian churches, suggesting that the Star of David in its hexagram form could have been adopted by these early followers.


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In modern times, occult symbols, are distinguished from the Star of David; by this: Occult symbols tend to have a circle around them. If it's a six pointed star with a circle around it, then it's a hexagram. If it's a six pointed star without a circle around it, then it's a star of David. If it's a five pointed star with a circle around it, then it's a pentagram. If it's a five pointed star without a circle, then it's just a five pointed star.

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I'll have to check to be sure, but when David resurrected the Ark it had been returned seems like from Canaan and Philistines, who thought it caused all manner of health problems and sent it back. It was sitting around some remote dwelling before David came to dig it out. Then it again become prominent.

www.enduringword.com...


So, we see the Ark connected with all kinds of health aggrivations and not valued by others.



One thing that that strikes one from Midian is that Moses' Mountain there does look like a triangle in profile, so there is even symbolism that Moses big Mountain had more Alchemical power than the Egytian's alchemy and their pyramids. One could blot out the other. One was for good and the other for bad.

Moses was likely in Egypt when the Great Pyaramid was surrounded by moats and canals, and it was still possible to see how the pyramids were built. Most the look at the lower levels of the Great Pyramid, once one includes the moat and canal structures, can see what could be a water ramp pump system called a RAM. In the times of Moses the system would be most impressive and making noise of shaking the ground. When Moses found the same effects from nature near Midian in Saudi Arabia, he would be most interested in how mother nature was doing these things. The area of Midian has extremely interesting geological features being on the East African Rift Zone and on the edge of techtonic plate movements. The other interesting feature is the Area of Egypt is right on the edge of their oil field areas. The areas of the Dead Sea cook off huge tar house sized block things from the underground heat and oil deposits that flot to the surface and have value. Same kind of thing was going on under Moses Mtn. but cooking off the flammable gases that made his special light for 40 years. Such major alchemy would certainly keep the Egytians a long way from Midian.


It is also interested to note that Solomon appeared to have set up two stone inscribed columns on the Red Sea where the Red Sea Crossing happened and right under that area is a tectonic fault and what remains of a land bridge.

I feel the need to clarify a point I made earlier. Someone asked if there was a "Jesus", where is His body. I replied that obviously if He was risen that there would be no body. Of course that is in theory. The body of Yeshua is buried in India. The tomb is there for anyone to see if you don't mind the Muslim's kicking you out since they see him as a prophet and part of their religion. It's not some giant cover up, it's there for anyone to see, it's just simply not something that the "church" is quick to advertise since it goes against the story of his ascension in a book they chose to place in the official cannon.

reply to post by wildtimes

I guess that means MagnumOpus wins this round,
or,
you are just a quitter.

Either or. Or both, doesn't matter to me, I'm not here to stroke my ego. My arguments haven't changed, nor will they. Sometimes people don't want to debate, they just want to argue. You can't discuss or debate with people who just want to argue. I don't like saying the same things over and over again without the other person addressing them.

It's a waste of time. I can't even get the other member to address the verses in Amos and Acts dealing with the star of Moloch.

Errr, I meant David of course.

One of the more interesting issues on the Coin from Phoencia's Colony, is that the Phonecia King Hirman built the First Temple:

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King Hiram of the Phoenicians offered to build King David a palace fit for an emperor (2 Samuel 5:11; 1 Chronicles 14:1). Just as Biblically described, Mazar found the trademark of Phoenician builders—cedars of Lebanon and their distinct style of stone masonry.

Mazar said, “One of the reasons researchers were at a loss in finding this important place was they assumed that King David built his home in the safest, best protected part of the city, inside the [former] Jebusite city walls.” However, this was not the case.

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Then the next thing to notice is that the Masons have this ritual called "The Hiram Key", which is all about the issues that Phonecia Hiram Abifff knew the Ark's secret, but he would not tell those workers that wanted to gain the knowledge to the point of death. The workers killed him and tried to cover it up

So, it would appear that the Phonecian King via this sordid ritual of the Masons may have been well versed on what the Power of the Ark of the Covenant was all about, and the Phonecia associed coin would then connect to David and Solomon. Some Masons digging into the theme put together and interesting book:

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The authors, both Masons, present a theory of the origins of Freemasonry along with "the true story" of historical Jesus and the original Jerusalem Church.

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The authors begin by quoting Henry Ford, who was a Mason, saying "all history is bunk". They express the belief that, though Ford's statement may be abrupt, it is accurate, as history is often not a completely accurate and comprehensive account of facts, but only what the victor in any given situation has recorded for posterity.

They argue in the book that the foundations of the Christian religion are a distortion by the early Roman Catholic Church of the teachings of the real Jesus and his followers. They claim to have found in Masonry a new key to unlock the secrets of civilization. This key is also the key to the origins of Christianity and, they assert, proves that many of the beliefs of modern Christianity are erroneous.

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They decided that the story of Hiram Abiff was actually based on the initiation ceremonies of the ancient kings of Egypt. They also came to the conclusion after analysis of the New Testament, the Gnostic Gospels, and Masonic ritual that Jesus and the original Christians were thoroughly different from what the Roman Catholic Church and orthodox Christianity has taught they were.

The authors believe that Jesus did not claim to be divine, but was merely a messiah in the Jewish sense of the term, a good man and a freedom fighter trying to help liberate the Jews from Roman occupation.

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Then we can dig a little deeper over in Mason land:

www.masonicsourcebook.com...

King Hiram and Hiram Abiff were Phoenicians from the city of Tyre. The significance of this is that the wonderfully complex and richly textured Phoenician society turns out to have a number of similarities to Freemasonry. One of these was the strong Phoenician penchant for secrecy in shielding their affairs from outsiders. But there were many other similarities as well.

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Clearly we see that Hiram Abiff was from the Phoenician city of Tyre. Yet his mother was from the Hebrew tribe of Naphtali occupying what is now Northern Israel beside the Sea of Galilee. Through his mother, then, he could have claimed Jewish heritage. Since his father was from the Phoenician city of Tyre, that heritage was also his. For all we know, Hiram retained this "dual citizenship" for the rest of his life. But it is also clear that upon his father's death (his mother was a widow) Hiram decided to stay in Tyre rather than move to his mother's homeland near Galilee. Hiram was still living in that Phoenician city and practicing his father's building trade when....

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So the Phonecian associate coin has the Solomon Seal and Phonecians built the Temple and also King David's Palace so it appears. And they know the secrets for the Ark of the Covenant.

reply to post by Vsc1981


Religion, all religion, is the greatest source of ignorance.
The Bible wasn't inspired by a God, it was written by men. It's a collection of fairy tales, written to glorify it's authors. To think otherwise would be ignorant.

reply to post by Vsc1981


New York City is in the United States, New York City is in Spiderman comics. By your reasoning, Spiderman must be real.

reply to post by PurpleSun


I totally agree with you! Jesus refers to a place of "waling and gnashing of teeth," for those who He does not know. These are the effects of separation from God: total and utter misery.

I didn't even think that people considered conversion to Christianity as a response to the "threat of hell." It seems so silly to me, when you are surrounded by love and acceptance from the Almighty God you certainly arn't thinking "phew...I'm glad I'm not going to hell!" It that is the pure reason you become a Christian, you have a long way to go in your spiritual walk.

Originally posted by Vsc1981
I'm new to ATS and so far I've enjoyed it. The motto for ATS is deny ignorance and I recently came across some ignorance from some people on ATS. You see the bible is God's work. We all know that. Its what He had people of His choosing to write so it could be preached and taught to the whole world so that His most loved creation could learn of Him and worship Him. So they could know of His commandments and follow them. And also to prepare for the second coming of Jesus. To warn of impending disasters to befall man and destroy His creation earth. He wants us to love and obey Him, and to fear Him. Not to worship false gods or prophets. To believe in only Him and only His word. Now these people that i mentioned seem to think that there is these other books that would have God contradicting Himself. Saying things like Jews aren't God's chosen people and He didn't give the land of Israel to the Jews. So i guess I'm just looking for some support on these issues.

The bible is not god's work.
You are falling into the trap of making what you "believe" to be true to be the truth.
There are lots of interpretations about this book, yours is just one of them.