Get Your Popcorn Ready! New Movie Exposes the Radicals Behind OWS!

Originally posted by seabag

edit on 5-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Yeah this is actually the image that comes to mind when people come on here to brag about watching one-sided propaganda pieces.


You sound like a complete fool OP

reply to post by seabag

It's ok when unions do it, right? As long as it's not bankers or the supposed 1%.

No, it's not okay. I agree with you about Big Labor and their influence in politics...it is the same as Big Business, Big Banks, Big Whatever. Get money out of politics. Occupy agrees too.

Now here's the big part-
We support union workers and the right to unionize, we do not support the corruption that buys political favor but screws their own little guys...exactly the same as Corporations and Banks. Corporations and Banks are not evil concepts, but they have become corrupt and the bosses, boards, owners etc...corrupt our government by buying political favor. Money should never speak over the will of the people.

Both political parties are guity, both have sold us out, both are corrupt.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by freethinker123

 

Anyway, you should at least practice what you preach, you are supporting the source before you've even seen a shred of evidence you said "this is going to be great". But according to you I'm not allowed to make any judgement beforehand!

It WILL be great! I can’t wait to see this thing documented in its entirety. I think when some of you who participated take a look at the BIG picture you’ll see how the movement has been co-opted by some of the very powers you claim to be against.

But yeah, I might watch this purely to be entertained, it might provide more laughs than Adam Sandler too

Well, watch it and lets discuss it afterward. You can bet I’ll be watching it!!

edit on 5-3-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Misplaced enthusiasm to one side - we shall see, this organisation hasn't exactly had an impeccable record of investigative journalism, usually makes documentaries to be screened on the FOX audience that may be wowed by the production and effects, but don't require facts.

There is a point here to be made though - you are saying that we should not look at the message of OWS and look at those that are behind / co-opted OWS.

Does that same point apply to Citizens United? If we for example find that behind the film makers stand those that have a motive to discredit OWS, isn't that the same standard for looking who stands behind OWS protestors?

For example does it matter if the Koch brothers and other corporate backers fund Citizens United?

And do you think its likely that the film will be fair if various lobbys / corporate entities stand a lot to lose if OWS is successful? The chances are this will be a biased film and you must know that.

reply to post by freethinker123

The chances are this will be a biased film and you must know that.

They know that....and they don't care!

You have to realize that there are quite a few members that have not quite figured out that they're still being brainwashed by MSM propaganda.

They come onto this website and post information that is usually stitched together in order to make it seem truthful, yet it usually falls flat on it's face when scrutinized like everything else is on ATS.

I wrote a thread a while back that covers this issue quite well. The Invasion of ATS

reply to post by Kali74

No, it's not okay. I agree with you about Big Labor and their influence in politics...it is the same as Big Business, Big Banks, Big Whatever. Get money out of politics. Occupy agrees too.

Now here's the big part-
We support union workers and the right to unionize, we do not support the corruption that buys political favor but screws their own little guys...exactly the same as Corporations and Banks.

Well if you’re against big labor then why does OWS take money and direction from the SEIU?

"The 2.1 million members of SEIU continue to stand with the Occupy protesters and we agree that try as some might, you can't evict an idea whose time has come.
"That's why on November 17th, SEIU members will be marching arm in arm with unemployed workers, community members, allied groups and Occupy protesters in support of a great American idea: our nation and our economy should work for everyone, not just the richest 1%.

SEIU

The SEIU is one of the most corrupt, leftist organizations in America and one of the biggest lobbyists in DC! You can’t say you’re against them and then stand side by side with them.

reply to post by seabag


I don't see anything in that link that says Occupy is taking orders from the SEIU.

It said that they will stand together, arm in arm, but nowhere does it say what you implied.

C'mon man, could you be any more disingenuous?

Based on the movie trailor, it's probably safe to assume the OWS movement won't be portrayed in a very positive light. I personally see that as a real shame, adding "insult to injury" to the 1,000's of Americans all over the country that participated in good faith to voice thier concerns for the destruction they see happening to our country as we continue to "bailout" and fuel the very folks that have outright robbed this country blind, and possibly to the point of no return!

It's nothing new that well intended, peaceful protest is "highjacked" by groups having thier own agenda that don't reflect the "spirt" of the movement and most involved.

While I see value in having an understanding of who the "highjackers" are and what thier motives are, I don't see that as grounds to "dismiss" the signifigance of the OWS movement. I would hope people that feel "moved" to participate won't be detered because they "fear" being associated with "radical" groups that CLEARLY don't represent the heart of the movement.

reply to post by freethinker123

makes documentaries to be screened on the FOX audience that may be wowed by the production and effects, but don't require facts.

Yeah that's some real free-thinking there buddy, more like free-association. A friend of mine likes to use the term "lava lamp" when referring to things that move around freely without any direction. If I were to use your same logic on the other side, well, I could talk about the audiences who love Ed Schultz or Bill Maher. Tit for tat.

reply to post by MountainLaurel


An informed person knows that the original sponsors of the movement were always leftist from the start. Adbusters and Ruckus, both leftist groups with communists and Intl Socialists at the helm and connections to the radical leftist billionaire soros. Is it any wonder that Pelosi, POTUS, Reid, CPUSA, neo Nazi party, and the Unions all embraced it? It is not an accident. After all Pelosi likened the Tea Party to radical extremists and astro-turf, but embraced OWS as spontaneous and inspired. That ought to tell you something right off the bat.

Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by seabag

 

I don't see anything in that link that says Occupy is taking orders from the SEIU.

It said that they will stand together, arm in arm, but nowhere does it say what you implied.

C'mon man, could you be any more disingenuous?

You are missing the point. SEIU supports OWS and marches with them because they agree with their philosophy of hating on corporations and destroying Capitalism.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus


That is not what Seabag said. He said this:

Well if you’re against big labor then why does OWS take money and direction from the SEIU?

Taking direction? That was a specific charge he made that was in no way proven by his link.

SEIU supports OWS and marches with them because they agree with their philosophy of hating on corporations and destroying Capitalism.

This is also a false statement. SEIU marches/supports OWS because they see how CRONY CAPITALISM and GREEDY CORPORATIONS have stripped the workers of rights.

OWS does NOT stand against capitalism and Corporations in general. You need to make sure that you are specific. This has, in fact, been covered many times on ATS and I don't know how they could make it any clearer.

reply to post by sheepslayer247


I would be completely embarrassed if the movement to rid the country of cronyism and corruption that I was involved with was associated with one of the biggest, most corrupt lobbyist organizations in the country.

You can talk all you want and try to discredit me but the fact is that OWS is supported by some shady groups. Aside from SEIU, the following disgusting organizations that support OWS tells me and everyone else who is being honest all we need to know about the movement’s intentions:

The 99%: Official list of Occupy Wall Street’s supporters, sponsors and sympathizers

Communist Party USA

American Nazi Party

Ayatollah Khamenei, Supreme Leader of Iran

Barack Obama

The government of North Korea

Louis Farrakhan, Nation of Islam

Revolutionary Communist Party

David Duke

Joe Biden

Hugo Chavez

Revolutionary Guards of Iran

Black Panthers (original)

Socialist Party USA

US Border Guard

Industrial Workers of the World

CAIR

Nancy Pelosi

Communist Party of China

Hezbollah

International Bolshevik Tendency

Anonymous

White Revolution

International Socialist Organization

PressTV (Iranian government outlet)

Marxist Student Union

Freedom Road Socialist Organization

ANSWER

Party for Socialism and Liberation

link

Look at this despicable group of people and organizations. I would NEVER associate with these groups nor do I believe any of them want to restore America to its constitutional roots. You’ve got to be kidding me (and yourself) if you think otherwise.

reply to post by sheepslayer247

I don't see anything in that link that says Occupy is taking orders from the SEIU.

They do direct OWS. This video shows union workers from the SEIU teaching and leading protesters!

Come on!!! Wake up, bud!

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by MountainLaurel

 

An informed person knows that the original sponsors of the movement were always leftist from the start. Adbusters and Ruckus, both leftist groups with communists and Intl Socialists at the helm and connections to the radical leftist billionaire soros. Is it any wonder that Pelosi, POTUS, Reid, CPUSA, neo Nazi party, and the Unions all embraced it? It is not an accident. After all Pelosi likened the Tea Party to radical extremists and astro-turf, but embraced OWS as spontaneous and inspired. That ought to tell you something right off the bat.

Well, presuming you are correct, and that my opinion is based on the "limited" understanding of an "uninformed" person, I would respond by saying much effort on my part is given to being more informed. Sure, Pelosi, POTUS and other politians have given "lip service" support because it was too important to too many people to ignore. I also am aware of the Union's and other "leftest" groups, as you call them, becoming involved as well. The original sponors you state, not sure? The neo Nazi's?

However I'm willing to look into the matter further, is there any particular reading or information you might suggest that you see of value in that undertaking?

reply to post by seabag

I don't see anything in that link that says Occupy is taking orders from the SEIU.

They do direct OWS. This video shows union workers from the SEIU teaching and leading protesters!

Come on!!! Wake up, bud!







Hahahahahahahahaha, there you go, Occupy is more corrupt than our government,

reply to post by seabag


O MY GOD!!! I must rethink my strategy here! The US Border Guards support OWS? Damn dirty illegal immigrant catching commies!

To satisfy that demand, we hereby present a list of groups, organizations, individuals and entities that have expressed their support for, sponsorship of, or sympathy for the Occupy Wall Street movement.

The above quote if from your source. Any group that even "sympathizes" with OWS is on the list. Sympathizing is not directing.

Look at this despicable group of people and organizations. I would NEVER associate with these groups nor do I believe any of them want to restore America to its constitutional roots. You’ve got to be kidding me (and yourself) if you think otherwise.

You don't support the Border Guards?

reply to post by seabag


for crying out loud
that list AGAIN?

hey, am i allowed to just start spam-posting my earlier reply
since you seem to have nothing to say except more of the same tired spam you've been pushing for what seems like aeons
and especially since if you read a single word of what i said before
you would realise how
totally incomprehensibly moronic
you make yourself seem with this
[and no, i am not saying YOU are stupid, but this behaviour?
i expect better from bread mold.]

Unfortunately, OWS is part of a global phenomenon that started through the Arab Spring and in places like Madrid, with high oil and food prices prompting growing social unrest in various countries.

reply to post by seabag


Well, you make some points that certainly give me "pause", and if the list you provided is accurate then it would certainly prompt me to suggest that a "new name" is needed for the "movement" myself and I believe many other American's feel is needed at this "fork in the road" moment in history.

reply to post by seabag


LOL.
So known far right media makes a movie about a movement the consider left leaning.
I'm sure it will be very fair and completely unbiased. I like how they try to make it seem ominous, but rather than show evidence of what you suggest they just rehash the same old negative stories. They show the same random bum #ting on a cop car, mention a rape, and drug use. WOW things that happen everyday in every big city!

One thing I love is when republicans try to make documentaries because they are always terrible (not many conservative film students maybe).