Yet another Baby Mauled to Death by PIT BULL - Should they be Banned?

reply to post by nightstalker78


Also, "not caring" and "being ignorant of" are two different things.

If we had a giant outpouring of people on here claiming how bad pit bulls were in response to this thread, no matter how much I "don't care" about what you think, I would be ignorant to ignore the reality of the situation.

You just had that happen to you, and don't get me wrong - I know you "don't care" - but I'm not expecting to wake up next to you in a bed anytime soon, so your "caring" is worth exactly negative 200 USD per hour to me.

But being ignorant of the reality that you were just demonstrated - heck, even here - PitBulls: The Nanny Dog - well, now you're just actively refusing to learn what is true.

Ok, I guess. Have fun being dumb.

So stupid. There's nothing inherintly wrong or dangerous with any dog.

Whenever some fool wants to ban a thing drug, dog, skateboard, drink, gun, car, whatever theyre ignoring the real problem.

It's people.

How about instead of assaulting a perfectly innocent animal you assault the ghetto trash idiots who neglect them, raise them to be mean, treat them like some ghetto trophy then leave them alone with a baby.

Nah. That would not only be too hard but itd be admitting that some people are #. We can't admit some people are #. That's not nice.

In the 70's the hip ghetto do was the Doberman. The same idiotic hysteria was present. Oh, they're evil dogs, they bite people, bred as "assault" animals and blah blah blah.

Stope scapegoating. Stupid people do stupid things and sometimes bystanders are harmed. That's the price of living in this glorious cluster# we call society.


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For all those who say, it's not the dog, it's the owner, ask yourself why you don't see these chavvy 'well hard' types with a chocolate lab?
Fact is it's a combination of both.
I don't think they should be banned and I don't think an overall dog licence is the answer (UK tried that and it didn't work).
But maybe certain breeds of dogs should require an EXPENSIVE licence with the same sort of background checks we make for gun owners - these dogs can after all be a lethal weapon.
Heck perhaps compulsory training in dog care and handling too.
I don't believe in compulsory chipping but for certain breeds it might be an idea.
A very heavy fine for anyone in possession of such a dog without the necessary paperwork.
Add to that a PRISON SENTENCE for any moron whose dog savages either a human or even another pet.
I think we should try that before banning the breed.

reply to post by starchild10


Put a chocolate lab up against a pit and 10 times out of 10 the pit will be the last dog standing, people know this and get this particular breed for this reason at times.
I have mine because they are extremely well with humans and are an early warning system, they will never fight as long as I breathe.
Chocolate labs generally always go to a cool headed owner who fully intends on training said dog for watersports.
NOBODY has an attack trained lab!
Pits are dog aggressive not human aggressive.

reply to post by cryptographrix


Your last line said it all,so I'm not responding to you anymore.Right,I'm dumb because I don't agree with you. Okayyy

Originally posted by starchild10
For all those who say, it's not the dog, it's the owner, ask yourself why you don't see these chavvy 'well hard' types with a chocolate lab?
Fact is it's a combination of both.
I don't think they should be banned and I don't think an overall dog licence is the answer (UK tried that and it didn't work).
But maybe certain breeds of dogs should require an EXPENSIVE licence with the same sort of background checks we make for gun owners - these dogs can after all be a lethal weapon.
Heck perhaps compulsory training in dog care and handling too.
I don't believe in compulsory chipping but for certain breeds it might be an idea.
A very heavy fine for anyone in possession of such a dog without the necessary paperwork.
Add to that a PRISON SENTENCE for any moron whose dog savages either a human or even another pet.
I think we should try that before banning the breed.

edit on 19-2-2012 by starchild10 because: (no reason given)

Yeah because licensing and fines and prison sentences have worked so well in preventing cars alcohol guns prescription drugs etc. etc. from being abused by stupid people...Sigh!

I had a wonderful German Shepherd that was great with kids and everyone but he would try to attack anyone that was wearing a cap and sunglasses, even myself when I would come through the front door.. I would just give him the command Aus and he would just kind of cower in shame.. I could never trust that he wouldn't jump on someone so I had to give him my undivided attention when he rode with me on my newspaper district in an apartment saturated area in North Dallas... My Dobermans I could hand the leash over to 6 year old kids and tell them what commands he knew and when to say them and they were off for a walk.... I had a girlfriend much younger than myself that had a baby boy that had been around 3 of my Dobermans at the place in the country were I now live.. The big male dog would let him get a certain distance from the house and then gently herd him back to the front door.. I would put the dogs food in a coaster wagon and the little boy would walk up to it and reach in and eat hand fulls of the dog food while they backed away and watched until he wandered off to do something else.. When he was about 2 1/2 he had become buddies with another Doberman that had been given to me after he had been shot by some whacked out redneck... The kid was in command of this big sweetheart of a dog and they would take off into the woods and at times swim in a cattle tank.One day when I was gone they had wandered off and the dog showed back up and the house barking and raising hell,, The kids mother asked where Chris was and he took off and barked and she followed him into the woods where Chris was standing all tangled up in a wicked thorn bush... When she was getting him untangled she asked if he had gotten scared and he told her no, that he told Zeus to go her to come help me and knew he would do it.... The dogs you heard about being killers when I was growing up in the 50s and 60s were Doberman Pinschers but I never saw any aggression from that breed unless they had been protection trained or someone was imposing a threat on me without my knowledge and the dog alerted and went for them.. One guy peed his pants and started crying.... . The difference between Pit Bulls and Dobermans is that people in the United States were quick to address the problem of overly aggressiveness by breeding that trait out of them... The German Shepherds that were first bred here were bred more for conformation and to be huge.. There were also some very unstable shepherds until German bred dogs with a more stable nature were introduced to the breeding programs of scrupulous breeders...The same thing can be done with the Pit Bulls but it will mean either putting down pups that don't test out as sound or render them sterile and sell them to people that would be able to deal with the problems they could encounter....Breeders need to interview perspective owners and inspect the living environment the dog will be raised and kept in... That is getting to be a common practice of breeders and for rescued dogs of certain breeds..

I haven't read the pages on this thread but did you even READ when this happened?

This happened in 2010..

Nancy Grace??! She makes me want to pull my hair out. I can't stand that woman on TV, she loves to her herself rant. Her only cause is her own TV time, she doesn't do anything but rant on TV and cause more problems by running her mouth non stop. Sorry she drove me nuts with Casey Anthony, esp living in the Orlando area!


Your title is a tad misleading and sensational, this story is not new.

This is however and NO pit bulls shouldn't be banned. It's not the dogs fault the owners are irresponsible idiots.

I know accidents happen but you can't account for how a dog will react in any given situation. Many of these stories I read about could have been avoided if people were more careful about the situation. Even if it's a family pet you need to be extra careful when it's is with a child, meaning ADULT supervision!

I knew a girl who let a pit bull around her daughter all the time and it made me nervous because the baby would pull its tail and just be a toddler, they can be rough with pets but they don't know any better. I use to get nervous because the dog didn't like it esp when it was trying to sleep or relax. I use to take her away from the dog if I was around. It drove me nuts they didn't watch that child around the dog and I stopped visiting because it was uncomfortable. A few times the dog growled and they grabbed her but COME ON that dog could have snapped anytime.

Sorry I just think dogs and small children do not mix.

reply to post by hypervigilant


I can see some sense in what you say about breeding, only a fool could deny breeding.
I will say however, my girl came from a busted ring, even has a primo tattoo on her inner leg.
If the number is any indicator, she is a game dog.
We got her at 5 months though, you'd never know she was from "killer" stock.

Originally posted by hypervigilant..Breeders need to interview perspective owners and inspect the living environment the dog will be raised and kept in...

Completely agree!!

People should not even be allowed to have a dog if they don't have the proper housing to keep one or the time required to take care of a dog. I know and have seen so many people with big dog breeds in apartments, that is cruel to do to the dog imo. They need space to be outside not cooped up inside.

What a sweet story about your dogs. I love German Shepherd's but I am also highly allergic to them I found this out recently which explains a few times in my past where I got itchy while around one. I didn't find out til we watched a friends dog that was part Doberman AND german Shepherd. She was a sweet dog but I broke out in hives from her

As for Doberman's never had issue with them. I honestly only ever encountered ones that ate my hamster when I was 8 and then my signed Yankee baseball. So I haven't had the best track record with them I always found them to be a bit "slow" you could say, but sweet dogs.

I like how the little boy wasn't scared because he had Zeus. That is just too sweet.

i'm in two minds.

We definitely need better control.

I am a very responsible owner, but due to the potential harm to people and also the fact that many of these dogs are abused I cannot state a definite yes or no to banning them.

I have a south african mastiff who is well trained, but is very dog aggressive.

I would never leave a child on their own with him, or allow another adult to walk him.

I dont think he would ever hurt them, but I would never want to take the chance.

He has brought deer down solo. He's fast and he's a cuddly beauty who loves to sit on my knee (he's 73kgs), but I am very aware of how scared people are and I seek to absolutely protect everyone he comes into contact with and also him.

reply to post by nightstalker78


This is factually untrue though. Its like saying all black people are violent by nature because they have a higher statistics of violent crimes. It's a environmental and nurture problem. Pittbulls are not any more violent than a German Shepherd by nature..

If a dog is raised in a bad home, it will be bad. A lot of idiots get pittbulls, they are popular in ghettos. Hence the violence problem.

Dogs can be dangerous. And they are more dangerous to children than to adults. But here's the reality. Dogs almost never kill people. A child is more likely to die choking on a marble or a balloon, and an adult is more likely to die in a bedroom slipper related accident. Your chances of being killed by a dog are roughly one in 18 million. You are five times more likely to be killed by a bolt of lightning.

It's funny how most people on here scream less government intrusion into personal liberty and then cheer for it on senseless things like this.

1 in 18 million. Sounds similar to terrorist statistics. Maybe we should have a TSA for dogs

www.dogwise.com...

Originally posted by nightstalker78
reply to post by cryptographrix

 

'mayhaps' you didn't read what I wrote.I don't care what you people claim.My experiences with pitbulls has generally been bad.So are those of people I know.

While Pit's are not my favorite breed, I don't have anything against them and don't believe in any breed specific legislation. It is absolutely how they are raised, socialized, etc.

You know that black males make up >30% of the US prison system?
Why not euthanize all black male babies that are born to help prevent crime? /sarcasm off

So out of millions of Pit Bulls, the handful of bad experiences you and your friends have had means the breed should be banned? I think not. I've been around many Pits that were very nice and gentle and have never had a bad experience - therefore they must all be good right? Any dog can attack, and if large enough can kill. I've been bitten by 4 dogs in my life - a German Shepherd, lahso apso, and 2 black labs... Any dog can bite.

I have a Rottweiler which also tends to get an unjustified bad rap. He is well socialized and goes to the dog park regularly and gets along well with all the other dogs. And he likes to give kisses.

The kitty is yawning in this pic, not upset - he had no fear of the dog, and would often run up and smack him in the nose with his paw, then run away. The dog would chase him around the house, but never got rough. The worst he would do is pin him down with his paw and lick him...



When I lived in Israel, I was taking him out of the apartment for a walk, we got in the elevator and headed down. The elevator stopped on one of the middle floors and 2 guys were there ready to get in, until they saw my dog. I didn't speak Hebrew, but I told them it was ok, he's nice. They understood English, but they were still scared. A little girl, maybe 9 or 10, pushes her way past these 2 grown men and runs up to my dog calling his name and gives him a big hug. She had met him before while he was out for a walk. It was hard not to laugh out loud as they slowly inched their way into the elevator, and one of the guys was all scrunched up in the corner trying to stay as far away as possible...

You can't classify any breed of dog as bad anymore than you can classify any human with a different skin color as somehow deficient. People used to do that (some still do I guess), but it's just plain ignorant.

reply to post by CommandoJoe


beautiful dog.

Here's my lad.



Big, and scares people who look at him. But he does love kisses and hugs.

We take extra care because of the furore around some dogs (such as pit bulls). Rightly or wrongly, those attitudes exist, so we need to be mindful of peoples' preferences and fears and ensure we act accordingly to protect people and our dogs.

I agree all pit bulls should be banned from being pets. In the city, in the country everywhere. All owners of pit bulls should be forced to put the dogs down..

I don't care how many people say they have had their dogs for x amount of years and it's never been aggressive - it matters Not. If your stupid enough to own a dangerous animal that it known to turn dangerous at a seconds notice for no reason then your 1) an idiot and 2) deserve any consequences you get as a result of a pit bull attack.

These parents deserve the loss of their child. It's like they left the child alone with a wild lion or alligator. Stupid people like that don't deserve children. I'd put both of these parents in jail for negligent homicide.

Originally posted by elouina
Knowing their reputation, why even chance it? I wouldn't have a pitbull in the same house as a baby. No animal should ever be 100% trusted around a baby. And no animal that has the potential to kill a child would be given the benefit of the doubt either. They get jealous, and things could happen...

True, a tiny poodle can INJURE a baby terribly..

A pit bill can KILL them..

Just keep your animals and babies SEPARATE!

Especially if that animal has the capacity to kill

I am NOT for banning them.
Just know the consequences and if something
happens, your going to have to take responsibility
on behalf of that animal

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I agree all pit bulls should be banned from being pets. In the city, in the country everywhere. All owners of pit bulls should be forced to put the dogs down..

I don't care how many people say they have had their dogs for x amount of years and it's never been aggressive - it matters Not. If your stupid enough to own a dangerous animal that it known to turn dangerous at a seconds notice for no reason then your 1) an idiot and 2) deserve any consequences you get as a result of a pit bull attack.

These parents deserve the loss of their child. It's like they left the child alone with a wild lion or alligator. Stupid people like that don't deserve children. I'd put both of these parents in jail for negligent homicide.

edit on 19-2-2012 by JohnPhoenix because: sp

Wow this has to be one of the most asinine stupid and utterly ridiculous posts I have ever read. You have absolutely no clue what you'r talking about and just repeating senseless hype and BS about Pit Bulls. Thanks for your opinion it is duly noted and discarded to the rubbish heap where it belongs!

reply to post by nightstalker78


Best breed of dog I have ever owned. I'm so sick of hearing that they are bad animals, which they are not.
There is a higher chance of being bit by your shnouzer, poodle, every small dog, and your nasty cocker spanels. I work as a vet tech and I have an aunt that works in the ER she could totally confirm everything that I said.
Any dog can be trained to be aggressive. Most dog bite occur with in the home and go unreported because the laws that protect the family from their own pets but when they bite a stranger its reported so then its against the dog.
Why not the person who antagonized or provoked the animal get in trouble. It's common sense not to go.up to an animal you don't know leashed, in its yard or otherwise.

I'm done before I get really ticked

Originally posted by hawkiye

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix
I agree all pit bulls should be banned from being pets. In the city, in the country everywhere. All owners of pit bulls should be forced to put the dogs down..

I don't care how many people say they have had their dogs for x amount of years and it's never been aggressive - it matters Not. If your stupid enough to own a dangerous animal that it known to turn dangerous at a seconds notice for no reason then your 1) an idiot and 2) deserve any consequences you get as a result of a pit bull attack.

These parents deserve the loss of their child. It's like they left the child alone with a wild lion or alligator. Stupid people like that don't deserve children. I'd put both of these parents in jail for negligent homicide.

edit on 19-2-2012 by JohnPhoenix because: sp

Wow this has to be one of the most asinine stupid and utterly ridiculous posts I have ever read. You have absolutely no clue what you'r talking about and just repeating senseless hype and BS about Pit Bulls. Thanks for your opinion it is duly noted and discarded to the rubbish heap where it belongs!

Yeah right.. Prove it. Pit Bulls are bread to be aggressive. They have this tendency to turn for no reason. That's a fact jack. They have muscle and skeletal structure geared for being extremely tough and resilient. Let me guess.. you must be a pit bull owner? Defend these monsters posing as dogs all you want you can't change these facts. There are many people who have owned other dangerous animals who had them well trained and those animals turned on them. They all claim the animals are safe until someone gets hurt. Fact is Pit Bulls can never really be fully domesticated - they are prevented from this by their DNA. It doesn't make any sense to take that chance when lives are at risk.

Hey Pit Bull owners. Go get some Real education about Pit Bulls : This is Dogbite.org which is Not Anti Pit Bulls but studies dog bite statistics and gives facts on all dog breads that are known to bite.

www.dogsbite.org... --> Pit Bull FAQ

www.dogsbite.org... --> Bit Bull Myths

The Facts debunk the myth that only pit bulls bite who are abused or raised in bad homes. It's the Breed not the owner's fault. They tell why these dogs bite and by their genetics why once they do your not likely to have one cause only a little damage - why a pit bulls bites are worse than other dog making them way more dangerous.

Remember this site is Not Anti Pit Bull, but just gives known facts.

reply to post by ignant


A tragedy for certain and heartbreaking for a parent to have a child die like this...but why not meet Sharky the Pitbull and ask that again...?




It is the human who trained the dog to be mean or ugly to begin with that should be banned. You can create a monster out of any animal by abusing it. Pitbulls are powerful beasts and there are many wonderful dogs out there who are loving animals and good protectors to their owners. Why should the entire breed suffer extinction because of what cruel humans have decided to do with this dog?

I have a friend who has the most gentle dog in the world, a pitbull named Pinky. When another dog threatened Pinky's owner Pinky went after the dog and pinned it to the ground and waited until the other dogs owner could come and take it away. She did not even harm the other dog...only held it down.

Calling them monsters or saying they all need to be put down is misguided and wrong.