Yet another Baby Mauled to Death by PIT BULL - Should they be Banned?

Originally posted by Necrobile
There are people that should never have children. There are also people that should never own dogs. I get the impression that these people probably shouldn't have had either, hence the results that occurred. I mean, seriously, too many people own dogs, yet don't understand the proper ways to take care of and train the fellows.

You know how many times I walk by people's houses, and see their dogs flipping # by the fences? I never see those people walking their dogs. Those kinds of people make me wonder if all they wanted a dog for was to sit around the house, and be cuddly. Sure, within the family they may be, but if they're not socialized, they'll hate anyone else.

Agreed. I hate to see dogs tied up outside 24/7 - those are the ones that tend to be aggressive and have issues. Just watch a few episodes of The Dog Whisperer - 9 times out of 10, behavior issues are due to lack of exercise (This is assuming a non-abusive environment). The owners are amazed at the difference in their dog's behavior after regular exercise.

I have to get my guy out every day or he gets rowdy in the house and wants annoy me until I pay attention to him. He'll grab something he knows he is not supposed to have (Sock, hand towel, pot holder, etc.). Then he'll parade it in front of me - If I don't give chase and ignore him he will then proceed to chew on it... If I get him out for a walk or to the park to play fetch, when we get back he curls up at my feet and falls asleep, and is calm the rest of the day...

A friend told me about this after my little rant to him about ignorant people regarding dogs. Here's a great example of how well a dog can be, with proper training/exercise.

Sergeant Stubby

Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, so sorry if it was.

reply to post by POPtheKlEEN89


This is not completely true. While being physical when correcting a pit bull may be effective it certainly isn't the only way. It may be the most effective way for you. Regardless, correcting any dogs mistakes is only half of what must be done. You must clearly state your dominance and back it up in everything you do. You must be the pack leader. This makes any dog behave properly. Also, it actually makes the dog more stable and happy. If you hit the dog when it does wrong but let it walk all over you or others the rest of the time it will still display dominant behavior. Thus, if you're not present or if it considers someone or something to be intruding onto the territory it may attack. It could also attempt to put you in your place. Again, this is the same with all dogs, but it is vital when owning a breed like a pit bull that can do serious damage. I'm sure you do this naturally if you have had well behaved pit bulls.

reply to post by Necrobile


Love sergeant stubby
Second

I am not really sure why these killing machines are still around , really makes no sense. All these dog owners who say , well "if you were a good pitbull owner you would know they are gentle "

Some of you dog owners make me sick . Justifying these killing machines as good pets. Then have the audacity to say the bad dogs are from bad owners.

There are many examples of good owners , who's dog turn on them.

Many examples of animal trainers , who's animals have killed them. Yet these are professionals.

These dogs need to be taken away and destroyed , or atleast put on a island somewhere , where they can roam amongest them selfs.

Pits and other dogs like them and their lock jaw capabilities , is what makes them dangerous. Not lock jaw literally , before the hippies give me links. I'm talking about their sheer power , once they are locked on , and how difficult it is to make them release.


These are animals at the end of the day , once they see red , they could careless who you are and will eat your face.You don't need this killing machine as pet , there are plenty of other dogs .

pitbull owners who defend these dogs = dillusional , self absorbed , self centered , and should not have any kids.

reply to post by seedofchucky


Myth: pit pulls have lock jaws
Truth: it is just the muscle capacity


People just really need to research any breed before they get any animal be it a cat, dog, horse, fish, cow, lizard, etc....

I for one am not arrogant delusional,nothing but a responsible pit bull owner, he goes to doggy day care, registerfd with the city. Very good with children, kids were around before the dog.

reply to post by ignant


No they should NOT. I used to come to Ats with high reguards as to what you all think, but this thread really showed me how much speculation is really done. My dog is my avatar, and hes around newborns everday. He is better behaved than ANY of your dogs. In fact my dog behaves better than most humans. Every species has its bad apples. Its people like you that make it hell for me to do anything with my dog. So if you dont have a pitbull stop speculating, and generalizing.

Originally posted by cryptographrix
Never had a problem with Pit Bulls, but the owners that chop their tails and ears should suffer legal consequences.

(coming from former Pit Bull owner /and/ father - and not one that chopped their tails/ears, either.)

Pits are great if you treat them like any other dog.

The problem is the way they are breed. From what i have heard it affects the brain development of some of these dogs that makes them more likely to suddenly turn aggressive.

Originally posted by cryptographrix
reply to post by nightstalker78

 

It's NOT the owner, it's how the Pit is raised.

Chop their tails and ears and they'll get pissed at you over time - do that to a human and see what happens, though - I can't imagine either would be a good idea.

Otherwise, you can raise them alongside your kids. They are VERY loyal dogs.

If that was the reason then why dosent the boxer breed have any such issues??
I still think of course that it is completely wrong to cut of their tails though.

reply to post by spadedjuggalette

Myth: pit pulls have lock jaws
Truth: it is just the muscle capacity

Really ? your gonna write that after i wrote this ?

Pits and other dogs like them and their lock jaw capabilities , is what makes them dangerous. Not lock jaw literally , before the hippies give me links. I'm talking about their sheer power , once they are locked on , and how difficult it is to make them release.

do you read before hitting reply ? or you just respond like many ats members with emotion?

A dog bite from any breed is not necessarily as cut and dry as the idea that it was the result of a bad owner=agressive dog situation. Dogs can play rough at times and I'm pretty sure accidental bites to children from all breeds do happen at times because of this. A dog can be grabbing at a toy that a small child picks up and accidentally end up with a skin broken bite to a small child. But if it happens it will not matter if the normally gentle dog was playing or not when authorities get involved.

I am not adding this comment to soften or excuse for the tragedy that happened to the baby in the OP. I just wanted to add this because of people who have what they describe as gentle and well behaved dogs, and let their guard down with children. In my opinion it is not the breed but the fact that the unsupervised mix of any dog and babies or small kids is not worth the risk of any bite occurring.

reply to post by seedofchucky


That is the most uninformed post I have ever seen!!

There is no such thing as "lock jaw." They do have very strong jaw muscles though.

Where are the examples of good dogs turning on their owners? I'm sure there might be a very rare example, possibly with health complications, some old Doberman myths spring to mind, but with the millions of outstanding pets our there, it would still difficult to even find a handful of loving pets that ever attacked their owners.

Professionals get attacked because they are professionals. They are working with animals that are not domesticated, and they are doing advanced training, pushing the limits, and occasionally things go wrong. We are talking about grizzly bears, killer whales, and tigers, not domesticated dogs.

Pitbulls have been an American Icon for more than a Century, and a wonderful hunting dog in the UK before that. They are loved and respected for their loyalty, bravery, and tenacity. They didn't get a bad name until drug dealers started breeding them in neighborhoods and making them mean to attack cops or thieves. Place the blame where it belongs, not on the dog, but on the people that would exploit the dogs, and manipulate the dogs, and use them for evil.

How can anyone hate a childhood Icon like "Pete the Pup?" And, for the record, I count "Dozer" as one of the best friends I've ever had in this lifetime, and I still miss him 2 years after his death, and so do my kids, and they still talk about him almost daily, even though we have a new dog now. Yes, I have had pitbulls, and kids, at the same time, I must be some kind of monster?

reply to post by juleol


I think at one point, they were the targets of similar topics. German shephards, rottweilers, boxers, dobermen, pit bulls.......all at one point, there were people trying to claim they were dangerous dogs, because of a few incidences. Rather than looking at the whole, they look at the few, and make assumptions.

Yet, I've seen wonderful dogs from each of those breeds. But those don't count, nope nope, only the ones that do harm count.

reply to post by seedofchucky


You're delusional. Lock jaw? Hahaha jesus, why dont you try reading up on dogs first. Not 1 thing about your post was correct. Seriously? I got an idea why dont you try to come get my dog. Ill be waiting with my my dog and rifle. Careful though he might attack you

reply to post by juleol


Oh, they do.



Yet, I don't think its because of cutting their tails.

reply to post by getreadyalready

There is no such thing as "lock jaw." They do have very strong jaw muscles though.

my god , people really don't read posts before hitting reply do they.? I thought i made this very clear in my post.

But you people post out of emotion , heance missing the basic points . I'll repeat what i said perhaps you will understand it second time through.

Pits and other dogs like them and their lock jaw capabilities , is what makes them dangerous. Not lock jaw literally , before the hippies give me links. I'm talking about their sheer power , once they are locked on , and how difficult it is to make them release.

Now what does that say ? deny ignorance ? or just hit reply without reading?

Where are the examples of good dogs turning on their owners?

you will just make excuses no matter what i show you . Thats the problem with you dillusional pro pitbull guys .

They are kililng machines . Thats why they are bread . No if and or butt's about it . Trying to domesticate a killing machine , is like domesticating a lion. Sure you can get by for a few years. But one day...

Cocker Spaniels bite more people than pit bulls. The bad thing about pit bulls is they have such a lethal bite. Remember, dogs are descended from WOLVES. You will never have a breed of dog that doesn't bite. I blame the owners more than the dogs, many of them want their dogs to be aggressive. Thats the root cause of this problem. Stupidity is what caused it, good luck trying to ban that.

reply to post by jeenyus2008

You're delusional. Lock jaw? Hahaha jesus, why dont you try reading up on dogs first.

sigh...


Just keep your dog locked up , away from the public , and espically kids. You can enjoy the pitbull all you like , just keep it locked up , and NEVER bring it out in public. It is no different to me if you brought that dog out or a lion. I will take the same precaution for both . You won't like that precaution .

If you say it needs to go out for walks, THen i suggest moving out to the country , and getting a big fenced yard , and let it roam around all it likes . But please , nobody wants your killing machine in the public streets.

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by elouina

 

Now take a dog that has the potential to be aggressive.

any animal has the potential to be aggressive, any animal. pits get singled out because of Jaw strength...

Another popular media caused false belief...

www.metacafe.com...

Just like the one that says they can lock their jaw or that they are vicious animals

reply to post by seedofchucky


I'm sorry, your whole post earlier was pure ignorance. Can you truly deny that? Especially with how adamant you were about how disgusting people are that stick up for these wonderful beings. You're calling people who understand these animals disgusting all because they know understand these animals better than you do. I'm sorry, your entire viewpoint on this is ignorant. So before you throw that word around, you should really take a look at what you say, and make sure it's not better suited for you.