12,000 Years Old Unexplained Structure

Originally posted by JoshF
Can someone please answer this, What about this structure is unexplained?

Hi Josh...
It is unexplained in the sense that we don't know for what these structures are.
Were these for a ritual ceremony? An initiation or something like that..? Or something else..
This is important, for example in order to learn about the religious-conceptual life of ancient man, gender relations, the animals or the habitat etc.
My ftwo friends are actually working there and as I know from them, there are numerous of theories (non of them about aliens of course) and the digging still continues. Göbekli Tepe is one of the most important discoveries recently.
And Hellas my friend, it has nothing to do with the almighty Greeks

reply to post by PageAlaCearl


As others have pointed out. there are several existing threads on this site. Still, star and flag for bringing it back to the attention of people.

However, there isn't anything particularly mysterious about the site. It simply pushes back the accepted time lines for city like development rather than introducing totally new concepts.

The most interesting part of the site is the temple like structure they have uncovered that predates the other parts, suggesting religion drove construction in the area.

The whole region of the North Anatolian Plains is throwing up many clues and indicators as to the rise of towns / cities for modern man. It isn't surprising either that this area is providing these - during the Neolithic these areas would have been abundant with animal life and the climate would have been far more agreeable for the rise of agriculture.

Some good analysis and FAQ about Göbekli Tepe here:
toplumvetarih.blogcu.com...

I personally think it wasn't a temple but a kind of astronomical image of the sky, maybe an Observatory.

Not sure why you mentioned "according to Biblical tradition". The Bible does not give an age of the Earth. If the Bible doesn't mention it , then we don't know and it is not according to Biblical tradition if it is not in the Bible. It is according to some Biblical scholars. Not according to the "Bible".

The Bible mentions how he cast Satans from the "Stones of Fire" which a direct translation from the Hebrew text. Meaning planets in the English language. So obviously planets were around before the creation of Adam and Angels lived on them it seems.

 Thanks.

Oh I love this thread! Great info OP! Im glad I could tap in such knowledge.

I have been to Egypt twice and on the last trip we had an Egyptologist that was our guide, nice guy by the way. I asked him while staring at the sphinx and the great pyramid what was the real truth. He told me that what you see in those structures are the last remnants of the great civilization that came before, approximately 12000-14000 years ago. The sphinx has erosion not from the wind but from water, there was a great civilization before that existed this one.

reply to post by hal4511


He wasn't a very good archeologist then as there is no conclusive evidence it is water erosion - it can also be scientifically explained as wind and sand erosion.

That isn't to say the structures aren't that old or they are that old - just that it cannot be proven conclusively either way using erosion as the guide line.

The thing to remember when thinking about these types of ancient structures is that the people who built them 'for whatever purpose' were basically the same as you and me physically and mentally. If you saw an hundred thousand year old ancestor walking down the street you would not look twice at him. So for me personally, suggesting that the ancients could not have built these types of things and must have had assistance from extraterrestrials is both belittling to us as a species and totally absurd.

What is the more likely scenario here....

1, A group of super advanced aliens traverse the depths of space to land here 12000ish years ago and teach our ancestors how to fashion 'STONE'.

2, A group of nomads settle an area, and over generations develop the abilitiy to work stone, and a small isolated civilization emerges, which is eventualy lost to the sands of time until recently.

This is all part of the blue beam project! google it.

reply to post by Flavian


I didn't say he was and archaeologist I said he was an egyptologist, there is a difference. The point is the structures in Egypt are on the order of 12000-14000 years old. Have you ever been to Egypt and looked at the Sphinx ??? I have ...

Originally posted by hal4511
reply to post by Flavian

 

The point is the structures in Egypt are on the order of 12000-14000 years old. .

No, they aren't.
Are you Egyptian version of Hellas?

reply to post by hal4511


If he was an Egyptologist then he must have studied archeology........

And just because you have been somewhere, it doesn't mean you understand it.

The Sphinx COULD be as old as 12'000 years but then most interpretations of the results show that it isn't.

It is known there was human activity in Egypt way further back than this point but this doesn't mean they were building anything of note.

For example, the pyramids are nowhere near this date - the Great Pyramid for example, is also known as Khufu's Pyramid and is dated to around 2560 BC.

The walls and tower of Jericho have been dated to around 9500 BC, the site at Gobleki Tepe to around 12000 BC and yet somehow the Egyptians built something far more technologically accomplished in 12'000BC? Really?

Or do you simply dismiss geologists who state the erosion bears all the hallmarks of accumulated millenia of wind and sand erosion? Personally, i go with the geologists - it is, after all, what they specialise in.

Originally posted by hal4511
reply to post by Flavian

 

I didn't say he was and archaeologist I said he was an egyptologist, there is a difference. The point is the structures in Egypt are on the order of 12000-14000 years old. Have you ever been to Egypt and looked at the Sphinx ??? I have ...

Well, then!

Your "eyeball dating test," obviously a conclusive method, proves that Archaeology knows absolutely nothing!

Harte

Originally posted by deccal

Originally posted by JoshF
Can someone please answer this, What about this structure is unexplained?

Hi Josh...
It is unexplained in the sense that we don't know for what these structures are.
Were these for a ritual ceremony? An initiation or something like that..? Or something else..
This is important, for example in order to learn about the religious-conceptual life of ancient man, gender relations, the animals or the habitat etc.
My ftwo friends are actually working there and as I know from them, there are numerous of theories (non of them about aliens of course) and the digging still continues. Göbekli Tepe is one of the most important discoveries recently.
And Hellas my friend, it has nothing to do with the almighty Greeks

edit on 8-2-2012 by deccal because: (no reason given)

Why does every "mysterious" structure have to be reduced to ritual and religion? Can we please give our ancestors credit for possibly being more practical than that?

Does everything we do revolve around religion? No. It reminds me of a part of Battlefield Earth, where the Psychlos assumed that just because the word "bank" appeared on so many buildings that it must have been a shrine to a god. We're making the same mistake when we say everything the ancients did had a symbolic purpose.

Here's an article about the Brodgar complex that illustrates the point:

archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by HappyBunny

Originally posted by deccal

Originally posted by JoshF
Can someone please answer this, What about this structure is unexplained?

Hi Josh...
It is unexplained in the sense that we don't know for what these structures are.
Were these for a ritual ceremony? An initiation or something like that..? Or something else..
This is important, for example in order to learn about the religious-conceptual life of ancient man, gender relations, the animals or the habitat etc.
My ftwo friends are actually working there and as I know from them, there are numerous of theories (non of them about aliens of course) and the digging still continues. Göbekli Tepe is one of the most important discoveries recently.
And Hellas my friend, it has nothing to do with the almighty Greeks

edit on 8-2-2012 by deccal because: (no reason given)

Why does every "mysterious" structure have to be reduced to ritual and religion? Can we please give our ancestors credit for possibly being more practical than that?

Does everything we do revolve around religion? No. It reminds me of a part of Battlefield Earth, where the Psychlos assumed that just because the word "bank" appeared on so many buildings that it must have been a shrine to a god. We're making the same mistake when we say everything the ancients did had a symbolic purpose.

Here's an article about the Brodgar complex that illustrates the point:

archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com...

Sure, you are right. I said it is one of the possibilities. It is alwyas the first one to come to mind. But there are many other theories that it has nothing to do with religion whatsoever.
But, we have to assume that there must be a function of these structures and images. Porbably we will never be sure. There will only be theories.

reply to post by HappyBunny


I agree with you that it doesn't necessarily have to be a temple, but with the size and age of this place it would seem that a great significance was given to this place, especially given how much resources and man power it would have taken to build it. What greater significance would there have been to early civilization then the will of some "god" or "gods"?

Originally posted by deccal

Originally posted by HappyBunny

Originally posted by deccal

Originally posted by JoshF
Can someone please answer this, What about this structure is unexplained?

Hi Josh...
It is unexplained in the sense that we don't know for what these structures are.
Were these for a ritual ceremony? An initiation or something like that..? Or something else..
This is important, for example in order to learn about the religious-conceptual life of ancient man, gender relations, the animals or the habitat etc.
My ftwo friends are actually working there and as I know from them, there are numerous of theories (non of them about aliens of course) and the digging still continues. Göbekli Tepe is one of the most important discoveries recently.
And Hellas my friend, it has nothing to do with the almighty Greeks

edit on 8-2-2012 by deccal because: (no reason given)

Why does every "mysterious" structure have to be reduced to ritual and religion? Can we please give our ancestors credit for possibly being more practical than that?

Does everything we do revolve around religion? No. It reminds me of a part of Battlefield Earth, where the Psychlos assumed that just because the word "bank" appeared on so many buildings that it must have been a shrine to a god. We're making the same mistake when we say everything the ancients did had a symbolic purpose.

Here's an article about the Brodgar complex that illustrates the point:

archaeologynewsnetwork.blogspot.com...

Sure, you are right. I said it is one of the possibilities. It is alwyas the first one to come to mind. But there are many other theories that it has nothing to do with religion whatsoever.
But, we have to assume that there must be a function of these structures and images. Porbably we will never be sure. There will only be theories.

I'm sorry, I wasn't yelling at you or anything. I was just whining. It's annoying to have to hear the "ritual and ritual only" explanation for pretty much everything.

Surely they had to have a function--a supposedly pre-agricultural society would have to be incredibly organized to build something like this, and you don't do that without a purpose. And even agrarian societies, like the ones that built Newgrange and the Pyramids, would have to be complex in order to feed and house the builders.

Human culture and at least primitive symbolic language do predate Mesepotamia. It's a common misconception that before that we had no culture, language, etc. What makes this site so fascinating is that it also predates other forebear cultures like the proto-indo-europeans by perhaps thousands of years. Such cultures were thought for many years to be the earliest examples of caste systems, priestly rule, etc. This, if the dating turns out to be accurate, overturns that.

It may well be that settlements like these played a role in the progression of our species from pure hunting and gathering to more permanent agricultural civilizations. That actually makes sense to me at least on an intuitive level. It seems reasonable that we might have gradually moved from the former to the latter through an iterative process rather than relatively abruptly making the shift.

This (apparent) sanctuary may have been one of the steps along that path for us as a species.

reply to post by PageAlaCearl
Those who have done their homework would know that the Sphinx of Egypt was built during the Age of Leo 10750 BCE - 8600 BCE and would have come to realize that humanity has been all but wiped out at least once before about 12,000 years ago and probably 3 times before. So, these 12,000 year old structures should be of no surprise.