12,000 Years Old Unexplained Structure

Göbekli Tepe, is a hilltop sanctuary erected on the highest point of an elongated mountain ridge some 15 km northeast of the town of Şanlıurfa, in southeastern Turkey and 500 miles away from Istanbul, Turkey. It is the most astonishing archaeological discovery in modern times and also thought to be the oldest advanced civilization on Earth.
Ancient Aliens Season - 02, Episode - 08 (Unexplained Structures).

This is pretty fascinating, 12,000 years old and 7,000 years older than Mesopotamia known to be the 'Cradle of Life'. Before stone hedge, and the Great pyramid. According to biblical tradition the world began in 4000 BC but that was 8000 years later than the foundation of Göbekli Tepe. Something with advanced tools and a way to move rocks that weigh many tons made all this.

Göbekli Tepe has always fascinated me. It has stumped archaeologists since its discovery and has seen just as much good research as bad. I don't know if they will ever truly put their finger on just what was going on at that site. Thanks for the vid S&F Good Stuff!

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Star and flag for you!
Turkey also has a number of very old underground civilizations....
I suspect we have much to learn still....
I also suspect our free roaming ancestors were quite advanced, as advancement is not related to staying in place, only by modern sedentary science.
I do not buy the ancient alien theory as such, but still a fascinating subject!
heres one (8th bc):

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Every time we humans think we have it all figured out, we find out that we are disastrously wrong. However each time we discover how wrong we are we decide that "now" we have it all figured out. You'd think we would learn to keep learning by now.

A read of the long and ponderous book Forbidden Archeology by Michael Cremo will demonstrate that we do not know kaka yet.

Rewatching this episode now on Netflix, and though I would rather see the unedited version of this - don't trust the History Channel for some very good reasons - it is a pretty good series. Although they would have more credibility if they left Graham Hancock out. IMO he is just a hack chasing money. Howe and Von Daniken are good though.

The ancient gold mines in South America always got me. Deep gold mines dug when we supposedly only had bronze tools. Also from before Sumeria.

S+F OP

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yes, wonderful.
i would not jump to alines though.
it is a safer fact we are dumber and weaker then our ancestors.

We already had a few threads on Göbekli Tepe, but it is still and always interesting.

If the 12.000 baffles people (which is no surprise really)...there is so much more which we do not know about History.

Google "Blombos cave", where humans lived 100.000 - 140.000 years ago and already made beads from shells and all kinds of stuff...those numbers really blew my mind. They are talking about 10.000s of years like it's nothing...makes even Göbleki Tepe look "young" in comparison..just mind boggling to realize that humans living in the cave since 140.000 years ago...

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And another thing...

What always got me more curious than anything else about this whole topic is why, when we were supposedly just starting out did we humans insist on building massive structures with massive construction blocks in different supposedly disconnected areas of the earth, and yet they seem to align to some planetary grid.?

Antigravity And The World Grid by David Hatcher Childress

A truly amazing book which covers and considers the World Grid idea from every conceivable angle.

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i would not jump to alines though.

alines? A typo, or am I just dim this morning?

it is a safer fact we are dumber and weaker then our ancestors.

Agreed. In one form or another anyway.

I found this while looking for the link to the book.



Have not seen this video but did read the book. It is amazing as well and lets a few more puzzle pieces fall into place. Laurence Gardner you may know is a Mason. Rather than make me suspect I wonder as I read him if he is gonna share a little secret or two. If you check the things he talks about you will find that they actual happened and the research is on-going, but never talked about on the moron tube we call T.V.

To my mind this is stuff they should be teaching in school - something to get you interested - not the mind numbing memorization which is in it's place for some pretty nasty reasons.

Oh well..

First off all, the 12.000 years is just a very vague estimation and second this whole country belonged to the Hellenistic culture. So I don't see what's so strange here. They dug up the ancient greek stables..

I think i missed something, what is it exactly about these structures that is not explained?

Goes to show you how little we know about our ancestor history and what lies buried beneath our feet. I sometimes wonder what cataclymic events brought down some civilizations and when these events will occur again!

S+F: Old news, but good vid. Always a fascinating site to ponder. How could "simple" hunter-gatherers construct such a massive structure?

[For full pondering experience, compare to distance from Mt Ararat and refer to beginning of "All Roads Lead to Rome." Also, compare distance to the other huge ancient monument in that area of the world: the pseudo-pyramids of Bosnia.]

Seraph

ETA: please bare with me while I reply to a post forward in time so that I do not interrupt the flow of conversation to put in my random and worthless thought:

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And thus became Cthulhu and the Balrogs.

Originally posted by chrismicha77
Goes to show you how little we know about our ancestor history and what lies buried beneath our feet. I sometimes wonder what cataclymic events brought down some civilizations and when these events will occur again!

The flood did. Most of the pyramids around the world, especially the Great pyramids were built round 10,500 years BC.

These great structures were built by the Watchers IE: Fallen Angels and their offspring the Nephilm. They intervened in mans upbringing so God sent the flood to wipe out all of the evil that they had brought to man, while his Arc Angels snatched up the Watchers and buried them somewhere on earth in way they cant get out.

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I think we will continue to find these structures around the world, both above and below water.
I believe we will know the true history of earth only when the PTB are finally defeated once and for all.

Originally posted by Hellas
Oh well..

First off all, the 12.000 years is just a very vague estimation and second this whole country belonged to the Hellenistic culture. So I don't see what's so strange here. They dug up the ancient greek stables..

The... "hellenistic culture" as you call it (or hellenistic period) only began with the death of alexander (in 300 or whatever bc)... so... the only thing I find really strange in here is your reply.

The "proto greeks" date around 2k bc... and the pre greeks from greece itself (or local indigenous ppl) date around 8k bc... (I dont have these many numbers in my head precisely so... I said "around" a lot - give or take 1 thousand years for everything I say lol) - we're not even talking about greece or greeks... this is Turkey... which means that, we could be talking about a lot of people but still not the greeks.

This is 12k... which means roughly 10k bc, so we're talking about neolithic here... so... again whats so common or usual about this that makes you answer in such a condescending way?

Must be something around the lines of "a pig fell from the sky... is pretty normal... since there are pigs, and theres a sky, so..."

Originally posted by PageAlaCearl

This is pretty fascinating, 12,000 years old and 7,000 years older than Mesopotamia known to be the 'Cradle of Life'. Before stone hedge, and the Great pyramid. According to biblical tradition the world began in 4000 BC but that was 8000 years later than the foundation of Göbekli Tepe.

Yes, interesting.
But I have some doubts.
On what - exactly - is based the dating of these remains at 12,000 years ago?

1.- Some sound and solid evidence?
(if so, WHICH evidence?)

2.- some indirect deductions?
(which deductions?)

3.- Just speculation?

And another question:

4.- Which civilization built them?

HF

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The Helladic period dates back to the 30th Century BC!

And like I said the 12k are just an estimation and a very vague one, too. And no we're not talking about Turkey because this is irrelevant since Turkey is only roughly 800 years old. So this is of course nothing Turkish. And I gave a very plausible explanation.

It was always the dominant culture since ancient times

Gobekli Tepe is discussed in quite a few other threads on ATS.

More and more archaeologists are saying that civilisation has it's roots a little further North in the land of Anatolia, running across the Southern shores of the Black Sea from Armenia, Turkey to the borders of Iran & Syria...... rather than Sumeria and the fertile crescent.

Of course a student of the Bible would point out that the ancient land of Shinar around the Mountain range of Aaarat post flood is around that area also.

What fascinates me is the statues at Gobekli Tepe. Look at the statues of God's or Man - there hands are placed on the tummys and resemble EXACTLY the hands found on the statues on Easter Island & also in the Americas.

I was reading that very recently scientists have found stone depictions of winged men or Gods, which is entirely in keeping with other sun worshipping cultures found across the globe. There's also evidence of this place being a place of sacrifice. Entirely in keeping with Baal & sun worship - who was the reincarned Nimrod. The Bible also speaks of the high places to Baal being places of human sacrifice.

Also the T shaped stones...are they a reference to Tammuz who was a son of Nimrod? Which over time became a cross when the female sexual organ was added to the phalic symbol. Nimrod, Semiramus & Tammuz being the first "holy" family surrounded by the sun disk. Sound familiar?

Anyone who mocks that civilisaition indeed may well have had it's roots in the area around ancient Anatolia and that the Bible actually has alot more credence concerning our ancestory than some would have us beleive.... should watch a very interesting talk given by Paul James-Griffiths



Fascinating stuff. Will post some more bits on mono-atomic Gold when I've got a minute too.

Originally posted by JoshF
I think i missed something, what is it exactly about these structures that is not explained?

Uhm...you probably didn't get the memo then...

Mainstream science until recently did say there was no such things as temples, worshipping etc. let alone elaborate building/villages etc. 12.000 years ago.

This is a time when we were considered hunting, living in caves...BEFORE we even started to domesticate animals or learned to farm, let alone build temples or have any form of religion.

Göbleki Tepe proves that at this time there was already something established like worshipping and society which is proof that religion etc. possibly came BEFORE anything else. Which is quite some rewriting of what we assumed before.

Short: What you are seeing here is some sort of temple/temple city where they gathered and performed some rituals possibly involving animals/idols etc.as well as elaborate stone carvings and statues.....FAR, FAR EARLIER than we assumed...

Originally posted by Hellas
Oh well..

First off all, the 12.000 years is just a very vague estimation and second this whole country belonged to the Hellenistic culture. So I don't see what's so strange here. They dug up the ancient greek stables..

Are you just being funny? The "ancient greek" were like 10.000 years later.