Paul camp cries fraud over Nevada Caucus results

Originally posted by MegaMind
So ballets are counted in secret?

Is that true?

If so ... voter fraud could be very real and no one will have proof except maybe if a whistle blower from the inside came forward.

If ballets are counted in secret with no auditing by any third party then I say voter fraud is probably a reality.

If there is no public accountability, then we may as well assume voter fraud is a fact, because vote counting should be open and public.

How can we expect the democratic process and thus fair representation of the people if vote counting is done in secret?

That is absurdly obvious ...

edit on 6-2-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)

edit on 6-2-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)

Some ballots were counted in secret and other precincts counted them in public.

reply to post by MegaMind


However, so far the entrance and exit polls done by a number of organizations have been pretty spot on. So in order for voter fraud to occur on this level it would require all of these organizations to also be in on it. Considering that many of these organizations rely completely on their ability to produce accurate results with their surveys I find that to be highly unlikely.

Originally posted by TheCommentator
reply to post by OutKast Searcher

 

You really think America has a non rigged voting system?

Do you really think that americans really want that 70 something year old to run our country?

reply to post by SheopleNation


Wait a minute....so you're saying that the American people and news stations are having trouble picking a presidential candidate like they were out grocery shoping?! ....


I'm really sorry you think that only a select "chosen few" of higher intelligence follow Ron Paul, and that anyone who is against him is a "sheep". Has it crossed your mind that maybe, just maybe, the majority of people don't vote for Paul because they dislike him, or don't agree with his viewpoints? Or, do you honestly think that every vote for Paul is erased into a vote for Romney or Newt without the voter knowing? Wouldnt you think that the "fake polls" would have been found out by the "masses of sheep" already? Show some respect for us sheep, please.

I think this guy has a pretty good compilation of the shenanigans that took place in Nevada. (Ignore the silly smiley face mask at the beginning)



What really gets me is that affidavit they were forcing people to sign proving they were Jewish before they would allow anyone into the caucuses. wtf.

AND if anyone thinks that voter fraud on a massive scale doesn't exist then I would encourage you to watch this full documentary. This should piss off every single American. I'm sick and tired of hearing "You're just crying because Ron Paul lost!" Why don't you stop the schoolyard insults because there ARE reasons to suspect fraud in Nevada as well as Iowa at least. If you don't agree fine, but knock it off with your elementary school tactics. It is OUR responsibility to make sure this process is fair, and I don't appreciate being called a sore loser or conspiracy theorist because of it.

Now, drop your partisan bickering, and take some time to watch this documentary:

Edit: Oh yeah this isn't about RON PAUL so you can drop that excuse and just watch the damn video.

reply to post by Wookiep


Okay...First of all, I don't take a masked man making youtube videos as a credible source.

That said, has the "Defender of Democracy", from the early parts of the video, ever thought about the rights of the citizens to keep their votes private?


That is all that needs to be said about Paul followers asking to see the votes.

Originally posted by MegaMind
So ballets are counted in secret?

Is that true?

If so ... voter fraud could be very real and no one will have proof except maybe if a whistle blower from the inside came forward.

If ballets are counted in secret with no auditing by any third party then I say voter fraud is probably a reality.

If there is no public accountability, then we may as well assume voter fraud is a fact, because vote counting should be open and public.

How can we expect the democratic process and thus fair representation of the people if vote counting is done in secret?

That is absurdly obvious ...

edit on 6-2-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)

edit on 6-2-2012 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)

No...all the campaigns have representatives there to watch the counting.

This mis-information is getting out of hand.

Ron Paul himself has said the results are legit.

Originally posted by Chalupas
reply to post by Wookiep

 

Okay...First of all, I don't take a masked man making youtube videos as a credible source.

That said, has the "Defender of Democracy", from the early parts of the video, ever thought about the rights of the citizens to keep their votes private?

This has NOTHING to do with the guy in the video. I can already tell you're a lost cause, get over yourself.

reply to post by OutKast Searcher

Ron Paul himself has said the results are legit.

I haven't seen that, but I don't doubt it. Remember John Kerry also said that, and we KNOW that one was rigged as well. Later, he even basically admitted that votes were rigged. (watch video above) I'm sure you were pissed off as a democrat about what took place in those elections. (tho I'm sure you'll say you weren't) It seems to me that your hatred for Ron Paul has totally clouded your ability to think objectively, and that's why people get tired of hearing your rhetoric over and over.

Originally posted by Chalupas
reply to post by Wookiep

 

Okay...First of all, I don't take a masked man making youtube videos as a credible source.

That said, has the "Defender of Democracy", from the early parts of the video, ever thought about the rights of the citizens to keep their votes private?

That is all that needs to be said about Paul followers asking to see the votes.

edit on 6-2-2012 by Chalupas because: (no reason given)

Well that being said, I cannot take someone seriously as a credible opinion when they call themselves "Chalupa" And I would be more than happy to tell people what I vote for. I vote for what I believe in, not what the media tells me. I vote for what is right, and if you cared anything of the future maybe you would do a little research and post something useful. I do not appreciate being generalized as a Ron Paul supporter by the way

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Ok sir OutKast. I ponder things, and of late I have pondered something in particular. Why are you in these forums? You are in Ron Paul threads everywhere, and there is an occasional good point. But when you narrow it down, I see mostly you add the same input you usually admonish . Are you here of boredom or do you just legitimately have a hate for something? What can you say that you dislike about Ron Paul that will actually prove anyone else that their opinion is wrong?

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by ajay59

 

So then you should have no problem linking to the five or so threads that Romney supporters made claiming fraud when he lost to Gingrich in South Carolina.

edit on 2/6/2012 by Xcalibur254 because: (no reason given)

I have no problem whatsoever, only with voter fraud. I ask you this, do you not believe the possibility in light of overwhelming evidence should be ignored?

Originally posted by Screwed
It is really becomming very easy to spot who's who on ATS.
There are the same people showing up in EVERY thread about Ron Paul who repeat the SAME tired worn out propaganda. It is really rather funny to watch at this point.

I don't like Mitt Romney but I also somehow have the ability not to hammer away at the guy everytime his name is mentioned in EVERY THREAD!!! I wonder why I have this ability. I wonder why I am not compelled to express the same opinion in every thread. I suppose I would be motivated to if someone were to make it worth my while.
I'll get on here all day everyday spitting out nothing but hatred for Mitt Romney and his followers for the right price.

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Oh, there are several people you can spot on here who have a specific agenda - make no mistake in several threads there is a battle taking place, a battle to shift the public's viewpoint on various global matters. The information war has been going on for some time now.

reply to post by Wookiep


The reason for the affidavit is because those caucuses specifically for people who were unable to vote during the normal caucus due to their religious beliefs. It wasn't for people who were too lazy to get up at 9 in the morning to go vote.

reply to post by Chalupas


Actually no. I am sure there are plenty of sheople who don't like what Paul suggests, without a doubt his foreign policy stance. However, He would never get his ideas passed through Congress even if he won the Oval office. I feel yuh though. ~SheopleNation

reply to post by Chalupas


So how much are one of the media fabricated jokes for a canidate paying you? Or maybe you just accept the script that they are reading? That's your right as an American.

I dunno my friend. It's all fixed, I assure you of that. Newt Gingrich? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's the GOP's answer to Obama, or the problem which is Washington D.C and everyone who is connected to it? LMAO!!!!! They should give you atleast a 5 minute gig on Comedy Central bro. ~SheopleNation

reply to post by ajay59


What overwhelming evidence? Even pro-Paul sites show his demographic as being decidedly young. This is consistently the lowest voting demographic and that is no different for these primaries. It's almost a miracle if more than 10% of the voters come from the 18-29 demographic. In other words the voters Paul's entire campaign depends on aren't voting. There's no secret cabal stopping Paul from winning these primaries. It's his own supporters who apparently don't have the motivation to actually vote in the primaries. So if you want blame someone for Paul's low numbers so far you can look at your fellow Paul supporters.

The only kind of voter fraud situation I could actually see with any merit would be Romney taking votes from Gingrich. Of course there's evidence for this so I'm not making any accusations.

The fact of the matter is, I would vote for anyone with the intestinal fortitude to forget the rest of the world and fix this broken thing we call the U.S. government FIRST in a big way! IMHO, boot'in the FED is the best start for "change" that has come out of any candidate's mouth as this is where the problems stem from! Take an honest look and see which one stands out in this respect.

reply to post by ajay59



Exactly, and Paul could only do that with an Executive order, and I don't believe he could without the payed puppets in Congress not attempting to halt any sort of effort of that sort. Atleast he would veto any new laws that violate our rights Constitutional rights. He would do more Domestically here at home than he would accomplish with Foreign policy. ~SheopleNation